UKClipperfan wrote:Not good. Was holding out hope that both would resign with Melo added to the mix. Don't think one leaving one staying would signal full rebuild tho, but a step back to maintain cap flexibility for free agency 2018.
Green_teamer wrote:He broke a trade a couple days ago
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Green_teamer wrote:TucsonClip wrote:Green_teamer wrote:
Word of advise, take anything this guys says with a grain of salt. I know for a fact he takes stories that get floated around that most other media outlets/reporters wont take, because they know its garbage info.
He broke a trade a couple days ago
Ranma wrote:LOT AT STAKE FOR CLIPS WITH PAUL, GRIFFIN
Things could look mighty different for the Clippers next season with Chris Paul and Blake Griffin becoming free agents. Playing without just Griffin hasn't been too much of an issue over the years for LA, but life without both looks as if it would be devastating.
Are We Having Fun Yet? esqtvd wrote:Game, set, match, Ranma. Nice to see you again. And all those here gathered who are friends from other boards.
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PerkinsFor3 wrote:IF Blake leaves, do you think we'll see Brice get a chance to play?
PerkinsFor3 wrote:I did not watch any D-League gammes he played in last year - did he play there? Any thoughts on his development? He had all the tools when coming out of college...maybe bit of a throwback pf, but talented. Any progress/more rannge?
Roscoe Sheed wrote:UKClipperfan wrote:Not good. Was holding out hope that both would resign with Melo added to the mix. Don't think one leaving one staying would signal full rebuild tho, but a step back to maintain cap flexibility for free agency 2018.
We don't know what will happen until it happens. It is still possible both will stick around
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PerkinsFor3 wrote:I did not watch any D-League gammes he played in last year - did he play there? Any thoughts on his development? He had all the tools when coming out of college...maybe bit of a throwback pf, but talented. Any progress/more rannge?
If Griffin re-signs with the Clippers, he can earn more from them than any other team, getting about $175 million over five years.
He would start at $30 million in the first year with the Clippers, $32 million in the second, $35 million in the third, $37 million in the fourth and $39 million in the last.
If Griffin decides to bolt and sign with another team, he would get less money, earning about $130 million over four years.
He would get $30 million in the first year, $31 million in second, $33 million in the third and $34 million in the fourth.
The fifth year and extra cash that the Clippers can give both players gives L.A. a big advantage with Paul and Griffin.
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Griffin also is expected to have several teams vying for his services.
The Boston Celtics, Houston Rockets and perhaps even his hometown team of Oklahoma City will be after Griffin.
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Alternatively, Boston could skip the Hayward sweepstakes and instead focus on a potentially lower-cost option like Griffin. The Celtics were hot for Blake in the past. They had casual conversations with the Clippers going back to at least the 2016 deadline, per multiple league sources. The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski said the Celtics are the team that’s “really the danger” to pry Griffin away from the Clippers.
If teams are hesitant to offer Griffin the full max, or even a four-year deal, the Celtics could always offer Griffin more years at less than the max. Griffin is a better player than Hayward in virtually every category other than 3-point shooting. He’d solve Boston’s major rebounding issues, while also providing a playmaking presence that Brad Stevens could unlock.
The best ability is availability, but Griffin has more upside than any other player that’ll be available this offseason. Higher variance carries greater risk and greater potential reward. To beat the Warriors, teams will need to gamble.
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A similar situation would occur should Griffin return and Paul leave, as LA would be left with just $5.5 million in salary cap space. Again, the Clippers would likely operate as an over-the-cap team and would be able to offer an outside free agent a starting salary of $8.4 million.
If both Paul and Griffin leave
Should both Paul and Griffin leave, the Clippers would have about $34.4 million in salary cap space.
Simplifying Clippers' Convoluted Cap Situation
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Blake is one of the best passers, 6-foot-9 or taller, in NBA history. He is one of six current players his height to have a season with an assist rate higher than 25 percent, and one of only 13 players to ever do it. There have just not been many basketball players with his combination of size, speed, and ballhandling and passing ability before, and the best way to utilize him is to have him be the player throwing alley-oops, not catching them. Not only would using Blake as a point guard make him a better player, it would give his team more flexibility when it comes to the types of lineups he could be used in and the players he could be put around.
Using Griffin as a point forward would allow his team to forgo a traditional point guard, creating room in the lineup for another multi-positional defender who could stretch the defense as a spot-up shooter, while still keeping a rim-protecting 5 on the floor next to him.
MartinToVaught wrote:Blake is one of the best passers, 6-foot-9 or taller, in NBA history. He is one of six current players his height to have a season with an assist rate higher than 25 percent, and one of only 13 players to ever do it. There have just not been many basketball players with his combination of size, speed, and ballhandling and passing ability before, and the best way to utilize him is to have him be the player throwing alley-oops, not catching them. Not only would using Blake as a point guard make him a better player, it would give his team more flexibility when it comes to the types of lineups he could be used in and the players he could be put around.
Using Griffin as a point forward would allow his team to forgo a traditional point guard, creating room in the lineup for another multi-positional defender who could stretch the defense as a spot-up shooter, while still keeping a rim-protecting 5 on the floor next to him.
Interesting idea. Too bad Doc is too stubborn and conservative to ever try it - and CP3's control-freak mentality is too entrenched for him to ever trust a teammate to run the show.
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