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2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48)

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What to do? 2023 Offseason

Blow it up everything
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Trade Kawhi & PG, keep T. Lue
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Trade one of 213, keep the other
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Keep Kawhi & PG, fire T. Lue
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Keep Kawhi & PG & T. Lue, just tweaks in supporting cast(basically run it over)
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#421 » by ejftw » Wed Jul 5, 2023 8:36 pm

clipsfever wrote:Bol Bol (who racked up double-doubles early last season) on waivers:

"A team would require $2.2 million in cap room or a trade exception that could cover that amount in order to place a waiver claim on Bol. If he’s not claimed, he’ll become an unrestricted free agent on Thursday."

I believe the Reggie Jackson trade exception is at $2.134 million... fire Frank!


Reggie exception was used for KJ

Would need Bol to clear waivers, would be great to bring him back to SoCal! (Spent time at Mater Dei)
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#422 » by nickhx2 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 9:46 pm

step 1: sign bol bol

step 2: put bol bol on that kawhi weight lifting program

step 3: let bol bol add his 15 pounds of muscle every season for the next 5-6 seasons (ok honestly he prob needs more like 8)

that's it, that's how you build for the future
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#423 » by esqtvd » Thu Jul 6, 2023 12:04 am

nickhx2 wrote:step 1: sign bol bol

step 2: put bol bol on that kawhi weight lifting program

step 3: let bol bol add his 15 pounds of muscle every season for the next 5-6 seasons (ok honestly he prob needs more like 8)

that's it, that's how you build for the future



OTOH Denver and Orlando have invested 1800+ minutes of NBA playing time and over $6M in salary on Bol Bol and don't have jackspit to show for it
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#424 » by KL2 » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:49 pm

I figure we have a few more days to wait but I’m exhausted by all the rumors this time around for some reason.

Dame, Siakam, Harden

Who to believe is really on the trade block (Zu) or who is apparently untouchable (Mann).

Best guess we hear stuff? I’m going with Saturday only because that’s our first SL game. It’ll be some odd hour too.
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#425 » by KL2 » Thu Jul 6, 2023 6:03 pm

I assume we’re a part of this??

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Post#426 » by madmaxmedia » Thu Jul 6, 2023 9:01 pm

esqtvd wrote:
nickhx2 wrote:step 1: sign bol bol

step 2: put bol bol on that kawhi weight lifting program

step 3: let bol bol add his 15 pounds of muscle every season for the next 5-6 seasons (ok honestly he prob needs more like 8)

that's it, that's how you build for the future



OTOH Denver and Orlando have invested 1800+ minutes of NBA playing time and over $6M in salary on Bol Bol and don't have jackspit to show for it


I remember getting FOMO watching us play Orlando earlier in the season when both Bol and Bamba played really well, IIRC Bol was on a heater from 3 earlier in the year before completely flaming out later. This was when Moses Brown was playing minutes for us.

I would have still liked to pick up one of these guys on a min. contract, but given Bamba signed a min. and Bol just got waived (on a $2.2M team option) I'm not going to lose sleep over them.
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#427 » by KL2 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:23 pm

For those interested.

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Post#428 » by esqtvd » Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:57 am

at last a fair trade proposal for Mook

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[NB: Fournier has two years left at $19M, Mook has one @ $17M]
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#429 » by ejftw » Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:01 am

I believe Fournier is a TO next year, but still, the extra $1.8M this year, with the LT implications makes it a tough pill to swallow, esp if Fournier won't, realistically, get time.
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Post#430 » by esqtvd » Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:18 am

ejftw wrote:I believe Fournier is a TO next year, but still, the extra $1.8M this year, with the LT implications makes it a tough pill to swallow, esp if Fournier won't, realistically, get time.


Yes, thank you, you appear to be correct--team option. Does $1.8M make any difference after you blow through the second apron? And we could add Amir Coffey's $3.6M in the deal and give them somebody who's not completely useless. Or we could S&T Preston for less and let them keep or cut him.

The principle being, this is Mook's trade value--somebody else's garbage. I think we should buy him out rather than let him return to the team, so I'm like wth. I know nothing about Fournier except the Knicks desperately want to dump him too.

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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#431 » by MartinToVaught » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:38 pm

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This is a depressing statistic. It shows the futility of either running it back or mortgaging what's left of the future for another "star."
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#432 » by esqtvd » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:01 am

Titles won by teams who haven't had a Top 10 draft pick in the last dozen years?

Giannis Antetokounmpo was selected 15th overall in 2013. that's it.

Jamal Murray selected 7th overall 2019
Steph selected 7th overall 2009
Dirk selected 9th overall 1998

All the other champions either had LeBron...

or Kawhi.

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Draft   Round   Pick   Player   College/High School/Club
2022   2   43   Moussa Diabate   University of Michigan
2021   1   25   Quentin Grimes   University of Houston
2020   2   57   Reggie Perry   Mississippi State
2019   2   48   Terance Mann   Florida State
2   54   Jaylen Hands   UCLA
2018   1   12   Miles Bridges   Michigan State
1   13   Jerome Robinson   Boston College
2016   1   25   Brice Johnson   North Carolina
2   33   Cheick Diallo   Kansas
2014   1   28   C.J. Wilcox   Washington
2013   1   25   Reggie Bullock   North Carolina
2012   2   53   Furkan Aldemir   Galatasaray (Turkey)
2011   2   37   Trey Thompkins   Georgia
47   Travis Leslie
2010   1   8   Al-Farouq Aminu   Wake Forest
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#433 » by wco81 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:59 am

I don't recall any health concerns when Kawhi came to the Clippers. He played in the finals with injury but he made it through and carried the Raptors.

Similarly, PG had suffered some injuries but it was assumed he'd recover.

If it was definitive that KL would have chronic issues with that knee, that wasn't widely publicized, IIRC.
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#434 » by KL2 » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:10 pm

I’m glad they’re keeping Diabate.

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Post#435 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:23 pm

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Post#436 » by esqtvd » Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:24 pm

But not strong enough interest to offer him a full NBA contract.

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2 games, 24 mpg, 9.5 ppg and 7.5 rpg in Summer League. Not bad but he tried and made only one 3-pointer in Summer League, after pretty much giving up on it in G-League too. Hard to picture him as a modern NBA 4, and at a smallish 6'10" [in shoes] and 215 lbs, not really a force at the 5 either. He missed the last game vs the Lakers with bruised ribs.

Hopefully can eat up some 2nd unit minutes but he was also a roleplayer in college so the ceiling is low.
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#437 » by TrueLAfan » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:27 pm

To me, the Diabete/Brown comparison is pretty indicative of the difference between drafting old and young.

Diabate probably came out a year too early; his draft position most likely (though not definitely) would’ve been higher a year later. But the gamble was the one you make on young players out of the top 20-25 that are clearly not immediately NBA ready. A couple of years in the G-League and some weight training, and maybe some spot time with the big team will have him ready to play some minutes and maybe start being productive in the NBA—when he’s 22 or 23.

Brown is “old”—already 23. OTOH, he doesn’t seem to need much, if any, G-League time. He’s a relatively finished product. He knows his game and it's pretty complete; it’s a matter of refining what’s already there. Higher floor, lower ceiling. He’s not likely to develop into an all star, or even a 30 mpg player. But he could be a solid 20 mpg contributor—and he might be close to doing that right now.

Diabate could, in a few years, be a very valuable defensive presence and good NBA player with his length--if he can pick up the shooting ability and improve his instincts. Big if, though.

Brown will never have the hops and height and quick feet to be a powerful defensive force. But he already knows that. He focuses on positioning and strength—he’s giving up about an inch and a half in wingspan and standing reach to Diabate, but he uses the power of his 245 pound frame to stay in position better. He already can shoot. Good passer. Moves well without the ball and knows where to go. I’m a huge, huge believer in instincts—and it seems like Brown has a good amount. Knowing where to go and the best place to get defensive position, and seeing how a defender’s weight shifts so you can get a strong first step—those things are worth a ton of speed and hops.

A couple of people here are throwing names around like Draymond Green. And ... just, no to that. Not that Green isn’t a terrific aspiration, but that’s a huge expectation. I’m more in the Kenny Thomas camp. Kenny Thomas was never an all-star—never really close. But he was a good locker room guy that played hard, was coachable, and had a solid 11 year career. If we’d could get some or most of that type of play and career out of Brown, it would be fantastic.
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#438 » by esqtvd » Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:42 pm

TrueLAfan wrote:To me, the Diabete/Brown comparison is pretty indicative of the difference between drafting old and young.

Diabate probably came out a year too early; his draft position most likely (though not definitely) would’ve been higher a year later. But the gamble was the one you make on young players out of the top 20-25 that are clearly not immediately NBA ready. A couple of years in the G-League and some weight training, and maybe some spot time with the big team will have him ready to play some minutes and maybe start being productive in the NBA—when he’s 22 or 23.

Brown is “old”—already 23. OTOH, he doesn’t seem to need much, if any, G-League time. He’s a relatively finished product. He knows his game and it's pretty complete; it’s a matter of refining what’s already there. Higher floor, lower ceiling. He’s not likely to develop into an all star, or even a 30 mpg player. But he could be a solid 20 mpg contributor—and he might be close to doing that right now.

Diabate could, in a few years, be a very valuable defensive presence and good NBA player with his length--if he can pick up the shooting ability and improve his instincts. Big if, though.

Brown will never have the hops and height and quick feet to be a powerful defensive force. But he already knows that. He focuses on positioning and strength—he’s giving up about an inch and a half in wingspan and standing reach to Diabate, but he uses the power of his 245 pound frame to stay in position better. He already can shoot. Good passer. Moves well without the ball and knows where to go. I’m a huge, huge believer in instincts—and it seems like Brown has a good amount. Knowing where to go and the best place to get defensive position, and seeing how a defender’s weight shifts so you can get a strong first step—those things are worth a ton of speed and hops.

A couple of people here are throwing names around like Draymond Green. And ... just, no to that. Not that Green isn’t a terrific aspiration, but that’s a huge expectation. I’m more in the Kenny Thomas camp. Kenny Thomas was never an all-star—never really close. But he was a good locker room guy that played hard, was coachable, and had a solid 11 year career. If we’d could get some or most of that type of play and career out of Brown, it would be fantastic.



Diabate just signed a two-way again, meaning no other team is interested in giving him an NBA contract. He just did a journeyman's job in Summer League against 20-year-olds and future Uber drivers. He does not have a 3-point shot.

Yes, big men can take awhile to develop, but the teams that take the time and money to develop them are seldom [ever?] the ones who benefit from it. Bol Bol is only 23 and now on his 3rd team.
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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#439 » by esqtvd » Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:19 am

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Re: 2023 Offseason(NBA Draft Clippers @30 and @48) 

Post#440 » by Vae Victus » Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:42 am

Brown looks like he's ready to step in and eat 15-20 mins at the 4 spot and do a solid job off the bench. Between KMJ's natural athleticism and Brown's polished game, the 4 spot is looking pretty solid now. Just need to ship out Morris and one of RoCo/Batum to open up the mins.

I'm thinking of being creative with the whole Dame?Harden drama. Trade Morris expiring, eat Duncan Robinson's deal + draft capital. Trade Powell + RoCo + Coffey + draft capital from Robinson trade + lotto protected FRP 2028 for Harden. Give Robinson a chance to rehab his value and can shift Harden to the 2 if needed during load managing. Westy can still get plenty of starts.

C - Zubac, Plumlee, Diabate
PF- Batum, KMJ, Brown
SF- Kawhi, Mann, Miller
SG- PG13, Robinson, Boston Jr
PG- Harden, Westy, Bones

This is a deep team, where everyone has their roles laid out pretty clearly.

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