Clippers Trade Jamal Crawford, 2018 Houston 1st and Diamond Stone for Danilo Gallinari

[donemilio21]

I've been wanting to get rid of Jamal for awhile. I know it's not official yet. I don't mind giving Gallinari a try. I was hoping that we wouldn't trade a 1st round pick this offseason though.

Is he any good still or do you guys just mostly hate him?

hate is a strong word. I actually like him a lot and personally enjoy watching him play basketball. I just prefer watching him on a streetball/3on3 game rather than on an NBA team.
He is not an effective player in the offense and he is very bad on defense. He cannot guard anyone without help.
His value is when you are down 20 points, he can come off the bench and somehow manage to make a a couple of 4 point plays to get the team going. But that is a few games a year, maybe.
You want him to be on your roster at vet. min. contract, play like 5 minutes a game when the team is up 20 or down 20.
Don't get fooled by his 6th man awards. He scores a lot off the bench to get those but his real +/- shows that he is not that effective.

[nickhx2]

the problem is he is very likely the reason you're down 20 points to begin with

[TucsonClip]

Now, now. If you want to debate, then address my points and don't use pejoratives like "myopia." And thanks, Tucson Clip, but I don't think you won the debate at the other board and it was not cool to poison the well on me here.

"Won" the debate? Anyone involved in this discussion with you can see through your posts. You wont declare anyone a winner, because you are in denial on the subject. To each their won, but saying I poisoned the well is quite laughable.

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[esqtvd]

Now, now. If you want to debate, then address my points and don't use pejoratives like "myopia." And thanks, Tucson Clip, but I don't think you won the debate at the other board and it was not cool to poison the well on me here.

"Won" the debate? Anyone involved in this discussion with you can see through your posts. You wont declare anyone a winner, because you are in denial on the subject. To each their won, but saying I poisoned the well is quite laughable.

If you spoke about me behind my back as a 3rd party, you certainly did poison the well. And I was having some fun with you about "winning" the debate. Litigants cannot play judge.

But our FRPs were lottery-protected, and as late 20s picks haven't turned into anything terribly regrettable with the teams we dealt them to. Two of the players are already out of the league and we bought better 2nd rounders from the Sixers than the ones we gave up. And the Spurs haven't drafted anyone of note since George Hill in 2008.

The paradigm needs an update.

[og15]

I've been wanting to get rid of Jamal for awhile. I know it's not official yet. I don't mind giving Gallinari a try. I was hoping that we wouldn't trade a 1st round pick this offseason though.

Is he any good still or do you guys just mostly hate him?

Some seem to hate him, I find no reason to hate him, great guy. Could be useful for a team in a under 15 mpg role in lineups paired with good defenders. The problem on the Clippers was that he was a 27+ mpg guy and basically the 4th or 3rd option on offense and relied upon to produce. Combining his inefficient high volume offense especially in the post season and poor defense with that many minutes and it was bad.

[TucsonClip]

If you spoke about me behind my back as a 3rd party, you certainly did poison the well. And I was having some fun with you about "winning" the debate. Litigants cannot play judge.

But our FRPs were lottery-protected, and as late 20s picks haven't turned into anything terribly regrettable with the teams we dealt them to. Two of the players are already out of the league and we bought better 2nd rounders from the Sixers than the ones we gave up. And the Spurs haven't drafted anyone of note since George Hill in 2008.

The paradigm needs an update.

Agree to disagree, as I posted it publicly

[MartinToVaught]

I've been wanting to get rid of Jamal for awhile. I know it's not official yet. I don't mind giving Gallinari a try. I was hoping that we wouldn't trade a 1st round pick this offseason though.

Is he any good still or do you guys just mostly hate him?

He's terrible. One of the top five most net-negative players in the entire league this past season with a -3.0 BPM:

http://bkref.com/tiny/qRf0s

His -0.6 VORP also ranked among the worst in the league:

http://bkref.com/tiny/Okim5

He chucked up 14 FG per 38 on a below average 52% TS%, while playing no defense and hogging the ball as usual (fifth on the team in time of possession, fourth in average seconds per touch). Needless to say, many Clipper fans (including myself) are so glad he's finally gone. Now if only we could find a way to move Lou Williams for a player or players who actually play team ball.

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[MartinToVaught]

So apparently Gallo's third year is fully guaranteed, no options? I like this deal less if that's the case. That takes us out of contention for a big-name free agent in 2019 unless they're willing to take a paycut and we let DJ and Austin walk for nothing. Hopefully it's either not true or West has something up his sleeve for the future.

[Ranma]

So apparently Gallo's third year is fully guaranteed, no options? I like this deal less if that's the case. That takes us out of contention for a big-name free agent in 2019 unless they're willing to take a paycut and we let DJ and Austin walk for nothing. Hopefully it's either not true or West has something up his sleeve for the future.

I was hoping for the same with regard to talk about a non-guaranteed 3rd year, however, only one source made mention of that and it was Lucas Hann from ClipsNation.com. I'm not saying that he's lying or that he doesn't have contacts within or on the periphery of the organization, but I've noted before how he seems to have insecurities and wants badly to be considered a source for inside news and scoops. He's not part of the mainstream media and team officials or whomever might give him the time of day because he can be manipulated as a mouthpiece to help spread smokescreens just like NBAdraft.net being used by agents of draft prospects.

I'm not a fan of giving out the big-money commitment to him, but at least it's only for 3 seasons and, barring catastrophic injury, he should still be a tradeable asset at any point during the contract. While I stated that I preferred Gay over Gallo, I certainly didn't want to pay Gay this type of money, so in that regard, Gallo is the better choice for this type of deal.

In any case, I noticed Lucas Hann mention that he was told that the Clippers are trying to work on having some level of non-guarantee on Gallinari's 3rd and final year of his contract while no one else is reporting that yet. Before I proceed, I want to point out that he and Justin Russo had a falling out at ClipsNation.com. Russo was the one who broke the news of Gillian Zucker outsourcing the Clippers' quick logo redesign to the Miami Heat's design staff at that Web site. Russo has since left the site to provide informative as well as annoying tweets while Hann is now editor-in-chief for the aforementioned site. I get the sense that Hann resented Russo's credibility after that story and wants to prove himself even with overzealous attempts at news-making, although he himself has also shown himself to be informative at times albeit usually by piggybacking off of other people's reporting and information.

Having said that, I actually see the Clippers targeting Klay Thompson in 2019, but again, he seems like a fit with Gallinari instead of just his replacement. We know West is a fan of Klay and has advocated for him in the past. In light of our history of being caught flat-footed and making bad deals during Doc's tenure, it can't be a coincidence that we were able to turn Chris Paul's departure into assets that were ready to be used in a proposed sign-and-trade deal for Gallinari. One has to think the Logo is already looking ahead and laying the groundwork for a free-agent acquisition in the near future. Klay makes as much sense as anyone.
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[Galloisdaman]

Reading Houston might have to move Eric Gordon for a Melo trade. Any interest in bringing Eric Gordon back to LA?

[nickhx2]

oh my god yes, probably one of my top 3 favorite all time clippers.

1. eric piatkowski
2. cole aldrich
3. eric gordon

anyone have a more awkward list? i highly doubt it. #getatme

[Neddy]

oh my god yes, probably one of my top 3 favorite all time clippers.

1. eric piatkowski
2. cole aldrich
3. eric gordon

anyone have a more awkward list? i highly doubt it. #getatme

Ron Harper
Gary Grant
Cat Mobley

[apet8945]

oh my god yes, probably one of my top 3 favorite all time clippers.

1. eric piatkowski
2. cole aldrich
3. eric gordon

anyone have a more awkward list? i highly doubt it. #getatme

1. Eric Bledsoe
2. Cole Aldrich
3. LRMAM
4. Reggie Evans

lol

[Neddy]

let me throw a 10 men list

1. Ron Harper
2. Gary Grant
3. Cat Mobley
4. Ken Norman
5. Bo Kimble ( man he used to suck)
6. Eric Piatkowski
7. Elton Brand
8. Stanley Roberts
9. Corey Maggette
10. Dominique Wilkins

[Neddy]

and the worst 3 clipper ever

1. Rat faced punk aka Andre MIller
2. Michael Olowokandi
3. Bo Kimble ( he really did suck)

[Ranma]

1. Danny Manning
2. Chris Paul
3. Charles "Bo" Outlaw

Both Ron Harper and Dominique Wilkins were among my favorite players in the NBA back in the day even before they joined the Clippers with 'Nique being my favorite for a while. Harper's "jail" comment after he departed left a bad taste in my mouth but I loved his time with the team. Wilkins didn't really have a lasting impact during his time with the Clips. Chris Paul was my favorite NBA player before he joined Lob City and he might still be but I'm conflicted about his leaving with the wound still fresh. Both Manning and Paul left under less-than-ideal circumstances but that hasn't overtaken the heartful joy they brought yet.

Shaun Livingston represented so much hope and is such a genuinely nice person, that he probably would have made the list if he had played longer for us. The same applies to Eric Gordon. EJ and Shaun are guys I will continue to root for without hesitation except when they play us.

Darius Miles would have easily made this list if only he would have kept his head screwed on straight. Such a tragic case of unrealized potential.

Bo Outlaw is a surprise choice even for me, but I've come to appreciate his all-out hustle and non-stop energy even more now in retrospect when you consider he was doing it for some really bad teams during the Sterling years.

The list of most despised Clippers for me are as follows:

1. Andre Miller
2. Elton Brand
3. Baron Davis