esqtvd wrote:Doc never went after KL & Pandemic P for the Bubble
Are We Having Fun Yet? esqtvd wrote:JJ was vicious toward Doc and purely personal. It's simply uncalled for. Doc never did anything approaching this level
esqtvd wrote:Doc blamed Zu? First I've heard that one, lol.
"The way I was being used, I felt Doc was trying to play me as like a Ray Allen or like a JJ Redick, all pin-downs. I can do it, but that ain't my game," George said.
Rivers responded with a somewhat muted response.
"Hey, listen, I enjoyed coaching him. So not a lot to say there,” Rivers said. “Listen, we lost the game, and I think everybody needs to take ownership. [Me] obviously. We can always do better. Players can play better. So as far as I'm concerned, I'll leave it there."
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Are We Having Fun Yet? wco81 wrote:Does Doc get another HC job if it doesn't work out with the Bucks?
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Screaming about Doc doesn't build his brand, lolesqtvd wrote:I don't really care whether Doc dodges blame or not. People have a right to defend themselves. And Zu DID have an effectiveness problem past 24 minutes. Still does. That was a basketball FACT, not a slag on Zu as a person. Doc was being attacked for not playing Zu more minutes, so he explained his thinking. Otherwise he sits there and takes the attacks from morons without response? Nobody does that.
The IRONY here is Hot Take Redick screaming like a madman and throwing DOC under the bus to try to build HIS brand.
A lot of Doc's former players love him. The ones who don't are IMO the guilty ones. After Pandemic P shat the bed, he tried to blame Doc. Doc handled it as well as can be expected, and better than PG deserved."The way I was being used, I felt Doc was trying to play me as like a Ray Allen or like a JJ Redick, all pin-downs. I can do it, but that ain't my game," George said.
Rivers responded with a somewhat muted response.
"Hey, listen, I enjoyed coaching him. So not a lot to say there,” Rivers said. “Listen, we lost the game, and I think everybody needs to take ownership. [Me] obviously. We can always do better. Players can play better. So as far as I'm concerned, I'll leave it there."
og15 wrote:Screaming about Doc doesn't build his brand, lolesqtvd wrote:I don't really care whether Doc dodges blame or not. People have a right to defend themselves. And Zu DID have an effectiveness problem past 24 minutes. Still does. That was a basketball FACT, not a slag on Zu as a person. Doc was being attacked for not playing Zu more minutes, so he explained his thinking. Otherwise he sits there and takes the attacks from morons without response? Nobody does that.
The IRONY here is Hot Take Redick screaming like a madman and throwing DOC under the bus to try to build HIS brand.
A lot of Doc's former players love him. The ones who don't are IMO the guilty ones. After Pandemic P shat the bed, he tried to blame Doc. Doc handled it as well as can be expected, and better than PG deserved."The way I was being used, I felt Doc was trying to play me as like a Ray Allen or like a JJ Redick, all pin-downs. I can do it, but that ain't my game," George said.
Rivers responded with a somewhat muted response.
"Hey, listen, I enjoyed coaching him. So not a lot to say there,” Rivers said. “Listen, we lost the game, and I think everybody needs to take ownership. [Me] obviously. We can always do better. Players can play better. So as far as I'm concerned, I'll leave it there."
Redick just got triggered by Doc's statements in a way none of the other participants who weren't coached by him and then had their team thrown under the bus would understand. Hence why Redick's wife even told him after that show that he needs to stop yelling, because it's not making him look good. He went on his own podcast and admitted that his delivery was not good, but he got wrapped up in the situation and context.
His Clippers guys wouldn't have said much about him if he didn't start revising history and then suddenly, they are like, come on, really? Doc brought it upon himself, that's the thing, it's not random and out of nowhere, he brought issues where there otherwise wouldn't be any, and weren't any for 8 years, not because he was trying to, but because when he gets questioned, at some point he will come up with some rationalization that he technically doesn't have to come up with. Like I said, this is simply a personality trait, it's just his means of self preservation.
Doc saying that those Clippers teams could never have won and he never thought they could have won because they never got along and didn't have cooperation hit all of them by surprise. First because that's not what they believed, especially as Jamal said, as a team who knocked out the Warriors the season before and knocked out the defending champs. Also they all have agreed that their chemistry was actually great in 13-14 and 14-15, sure they had issues here and there like every other team, but they enjoyed playing together, and it was in 15-16 and 16-17 when they had no chance to win anyways just based on health, etc that chemistry was declining, but Doc's comments made it seem like they never got along.
JJ had a much different disposition towards Doc before that, and Jamal probably wouldn't have made his "Doc is a great coach in the first year comment" on the TNT panel after the Bucks hired him. It's just what it is, you reap what you sow. Doc does not feel like he gets the respect he believes he should get as a coach, hence the "you wouldn't as Pop that" comment, and he therefore he tries to protect his coaching legacy and perception by some of the comments he makes after the fact.
Are We Having Fun Yet? Are We Having Fun Yet? esqtvd wrote:og15 wrote:Screaming about Doc doesn't build his brand, lolesqtvd wrote:I don't really care whether Doc dodges blame or not. People have a right to defend themselves. And Zu DID have an effectiveness problem past 24 minutes. Still does. That was a basketball FACT, not a slag on Zu as a person. Doc was being attacked for not playing Zu more minutes, so he explained his thinking. Otherwise he sits there and takes the attacks from morons without response? Nobody does that.
The IRONY here is Hot Take Redick screaming like a madman and throwing DOC under the bus to try to build HIS brand.
A lot of Doc's former players love him. The ones who don't are IMO the guilty ones. After Pandemic P shat the bed, he tried to blame Doc. Doc handled it as well as can be expected, and better than PG deserved.
Redick just got triggered by Doc's statements in a way none of the other participants who weren't coached by him and then had their team thrown under the bus would understand. Hence why Redick's wife even told him after that show that he needs to stop yelling, because it's not making him look good. He went on his own podcast and admitted that his delivery was not good, but he got wrapped up in the situation and context.
His Clippers guys wouldn't have said much about him if he didn't start revising history and then suddenly, they are like, come on, really? Doc brought it upon himself, that's the thing, it's not random and out of nowhere, he brought issues where there otherwise wouldn't be any, and weren't any for 8 years, not because he was trying to, but because when he gets questioned, at some point he will come up with some rationalization that he technically doesn't have to come up with. Like I said, this is simply a personality trait, it's just his means of self preservation.
Doc saying that those Clippers teams could never have won and he never thought they could have won because they never got along and didn't have cooperation hit all of them by surprise. First because that's not what they believed, especially as Jamal said, as a team who knocked out the Warriors the season before and knocked out the defending champs. Also they all have agreed that their chemistry was actually great in 13-14 and 14-15, sure they had issues here and there like every other team, but they enjoyed playing together, and it was in 15-16 and 16-17 when they had no chance to win anyways just based on health, etc that chemistry was declining, but Doc's comments made it seem like they never got along.
JJ had a much different disposition towards Doc before that, and Jamal probably wouldn't have made his "Doc is a great coach in the first year comment" on the TNT panel after the Bucks hired him. It's just what it is, you reap what you sow. Doc does not feel like he gets the respect he believes he should get as a coach, hence the "you wouldn't as Pop that" comment, and he therefore he tries to protect his coaching legacy and perception by some of the comments he makes after the fact.
Asked and answered. NOT what Doc said. He said that IN RETROSPECT, he sees why Lob City couldn't win. They did not pull together. And Matt Barnes agreed. Egos. Their own worst enemy. And after leaving the Clippers, none of those guys got anywhere. Even CP was kicked to the curb by Beard in Houston and the Suns last year.
I'm not even saying Doc is a good coach; I just hate lies. And backstabbing jerks like JJ. Doc COULD have returned fire like Austin did, that JJ was good but also a liability on both ends when it came to Winning Time.
JJ looked like a hot take opportunist, and I gave you 3 other occasions when he beclowned himself attacking other people, including some legends. Jamal is a gentleman. He dissed Doc in a quiet, considered way, with no intent to embarrass Doc. Like a professional.
And now Doc has another $40 million in the bank from the Bucks. So here's to you, JJ Redick.
og15 wrote:esqtvd wrote:og15 wrote:Screaming about Doc doesn't build his brand, lol
Redick just got triggered by Doc's statements in a way none of the other participants who weren't coached by him and then had their team thrown under the bus would understand. Hence why Redick's wife even told him after that show that he needs to stop yelling, because it's not making him look good. He went on his own podcast and admitted that his delivery was not good, but he got wrapped up in the situation and context.
His Clippers guys wouldn't have said much about him if he didn't start revising history and then suddenly, they are like, come on, really? Doc brought it upon himself, that's the thing, it's not random and out of nowhere, he brought issues where there otherwise wouldn't be any, and weren't any for 8 years, not because he was trying to, but because when he gets questioned, at some point he will come up with some rationalization that he technically doesn't have to come up with. Like I said, this is simply a personality trait, it's just his means of self preservation.
Doc saying that those Clippers teams could never have won and he never thought they could have won because they never got along and didn't have cooperation hit all of them by surprise. First because that's not what they believed, especially as Jamal said, as a team who knocked out the Warriors the season before and knocked out the defending champs. Also they all have agreed that their chemistry was actually great in 13-14 and 14-15, sure they had issues here and there like every other team, but they enjoyed playing together, and it was in 15-16 and 16-17 when they had no chance to win anyways just based on health, etc that chemistry was declining, but Doc's comments made it seem like they never got along.
JJ had a much different disposition towards Doc before that, and Jamal probably wouldn't have made his "Doc is a great coach in the first year comment" on the TNT panel after the Bucks hired him. It's just what it is, you reap what you sow. Doc does not feel like he gets the respect he believes he should get as a coach, hence the "you wouldn't as Pop that" comment, and he therefore he tries to protect his coaching legacy and perception by some of the comments he makes after the fact.
Asked and answered. NOT what Doc said. He said that IN RETROSPECT, he sees why Lob City couldn't win. They did not pull together. And Matt Barnes agreed. Egos. Their own worst enemy. And after leaving the Clippers, none of those guys got anywhere. Even CP was kicked to the curb by Beard in Houston and the Suns last year.
I'm not even saying Doc is a good coach; I just hate lies. And backstabbing jerks like JJ. Doc COULD have returned fire like Austin did, that JJ was good but also a liability on both ends when it came to Winning Time.
JJ looked like a hot take opportunist, and I gave you 3 other occasions when he beclowned himself attacking other people, including some legends. Jamal is a gentleman. He dissed Doc in a quiet, considered way, with no intent to embarrass Doc. Like a professional.
And now Doc has another $40 million in the bank from the Bucks. So here's to you, JJ Redick.
I'll just leave this as my "response" and let's no go into an attack the messenger, because that's the default stuff. This is representative of what most players think:
Like Draymond says, "nobody disputed what JJ actually said, they instead attacked his playing career, and the reason is because they didn't disagree with that he said". Then also mentioned that people also focused on the delivery, which even JJ himself admitted was over the top with him getting caught up in the moment, and not with the content, and again, that's another sign that when people attack the delivery and the messenger, but don't dispute the content, that's generally a sign that people don't have an argument against the content. If the content is just ridiculous, we generally will just go after the content of the message.
Are We Having Fun Yet? Are We Having Fun Yet?esqtvd wrote:Can't have it both ways. If JJ sucked, Doc sure made him a lot of money he didn't deserve after he left the Clippers. [$23M with the Sixers.]
As for Austin, his final year here, he scored 15 ppg on 42%/38% shooting with 4 apg as a combo guard. I'd take those numbers from Mann [7.9 ppg, 47%/32%, 3.4 rebs].
clipperlover wrote:esqtvd wrote:Can't have it both ways. If JJ sucked, Doc sure made him a lot of money he didn't deserve after he left the Clippers. [$23M with the Sixers.]
As for Austin, his final year here, he scored 15 ppg on 42%/38% shooting with 4 apg as a combo guard. I'd take those numbers from Mann [7.9 ppg, 47%/32%, 3.4 rebs].
What a joke.
Let's at least try to make things more apples to apples:
1. Spoon made $11.8M in 2017-2018 dollars vice Mann making $10.6M in 2023-2024 post Covid inflation dollars
2. Spoon 33.7 MPG, 13.2 shots/gm, and 5.9 3s/gm, Mann 25.4 MPG, 6.5 shots/gm, 2.9 3s/gm
3. Spoon #3 in shot attempts/gm and #2 in 3 attempts/gm for his team, Mann #7 and #6 respectively for his team
4. Spoon chucking up shots on a non-playoff team, Mann playing his role on the team with a Big 3 and with a chance to get the #1 seed in the West.
Are we saying that Mann couldn't average similar numbers on a non-playoff team? Mann couldn't put up similar numbers if his mom was coaching the team and giving him undeserved minutes over other players?
Keep on defending Spoon, but let's not act like he would do any better than Mann on this team. Spoon will NEVER have a game like Mann's Game 6 to lead us into the WCF with Kawhi out.
We've been through the facts 100 times:
Are We Having Fun Yet?LamarWho wrote:Watching DLo lighting up the Bucks like the 4th of July. Doc's adjustment? Let the players figure it out.
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