GAME #60: LAC (39-20) @ BUCKS (40-21)—MON 3/4 5PM, NBA-TV

[Clemenza]

I have only seen a few games where Lue outcoached his opponent. Mostly he has just won with superior talent. Has he ever coached without a superstar? no. The man has been been gifted unbelievable rosters. I do not want to resign him in the offseason. He should have been fired last year or not brought back this year.

The more athletic Moussa and/Kobe Brown could've bodied up Portis better for a nice 6-10 minute stretch. BBJ could've given PG or Kawhi a few extra minutes of rest so they could be fresher late in the 4th quarter. A few more minutes to Mann and Bones would've worked. The players are there on this team imo. Mike Malone, the Nuggets coach, would've had all these guys in the mix. That's the hidden gem and one of the reasons they're so successful these days. He plays pretty much the entire team. This 8-9 man star reliant rotation Lue has going on is for the playoffs, not the dog days of the regular season. All the player development got shelved and scraped when we got Harden and picked up Theis and this is the net result.

Players have to earn minutes but I also agree that there's also player development to consider. Of the guys you mentioned, Kobe Brown has been the most playable and I think should be getting more minutes. You're taking a short-term hit because these guys are mistake-prone and less dialed in, but the exposure helps.

This season has been tough for that though. It took awhile just to hit our stride with our main guys after the Harden trade and then we had the Grammy trip, and it's hard to argue with the results over that span. Bones is playable too (as he was on the Nuggets), but that was also a difficult situation since we had Russ going to the bench and already seeing his minutes go down a lot.

This has never been a team where players could "earn minutes" though. Its always vet heavy and name brand orientated. PJ Tucker is part of the Harden trade so now he plays instead of Kobe Brown. He's awful, benched, and then complains to the media and gets yet another chance and blows it. Earned minutes? Nope. SGA has promise as a future star but f*ck him we want Kawhi and will gladly do whatever he says. And people wanted Otto Porter to sign with us which probably would've been another PJ situation if he can stay healthy. Everything has to be an imported and finished product with this team and never developed or home grown. The fanbase feels the same way, always hyping up scrubs from other teams we should go after when in reality they're technically not better than the players we have sitting on our bench.

Look I know some guys are green, but they'll remain green forever with this franchise and that's the problem. And I'm strictly talking about a few minutes in a back to back where our 8 man rotation is gassed, aren't defending, and can't even hit a free throw anymore. You have to play some of these guys man imo. There's no x factor on this team to keep things afloat and sailing along.

[MartinToVaught]

"Earning minutes" is a two-way street. The coach has to be open-minded or else it doesn't matter what the players do. I can't even think of the last coach we've had who's played young players by choice. Getting drafted by this team is basically the worst-case scenario for any rookie's career - not because they're all busts, but because we don't even give them a chance to try.

[NickP]

"Earning minutes" is a two-way street. The coach has to be open-minded or else it doesn't matter what the players do. I can't even think of the last coach we've had who's played young players by choice. Getting drafted by this team is basically the worst-case scenario for any rookie's career - not because they're all busts, but because we don't even give them a chance to try.

Probably most NBA coaches follow this pattern unless of course you're coaching OKC or the Rockets where you really do not have a choice. Coaches are afraid to play younger guys because they feel veterans are more experienced to "win games". Don't think most coaches in the NBA are savvy enough to realize that it's the veterans that end up costing them games.
And they probably don't want to get a bad rep with players who feel their seniority won't be rewarded by a particular coach.

[KingCrimzzon]

Look I know some guys are green, but they'll remain green forever with this franchise and that's the problem. And I'm strictly talking about a few minutes in a back to back where our 8 man rotation is gassed, aren't defending, and can't even hit a free throw anymore. You have to play some of these guys man imo. There's no x factor on this team to keep things afloat and sailing along.

I feel the same way. Not developing players means you will never know what you have. Even if your end game is just acquiring the finished product, at some point you need to have stuff that other teams can take back. You will run out of draft picks and tradeable players. I basically feel that a franchise has NO CHOICE but to develop their own players for the mere fact that there will be times you have nothing anyone wants. Plus, the players might actually turn into something, I don't see a downside in trying them out alongside a few vets on the floor. How is this any worse than playing a vet so can prove he's washed?

"Earning minutes" is a two-way street. The coach has to be open-minded or else it doesn't matter what the players do. I can't even think of the last coach we've had who's played young players by choice. Getting drafted by this team is basically the worst-case scenario for any rookie's career - not because they're all busts, but because we don't even give them a chance to try.

There have a been a few times, though choice is argueable. Doc Rivers had to play SGA (last high pick), Trezz and Jerome Robinson (meh). Ty had to play TMann and maybe Kennard (if he counts). Generally, these are coaches that don't believe developing players adds value and wastes time. Problem is your franchise gets hamstrung and you will be forever paying the debt of not having depth or even the occasional rotation player that emerges. At the end of the day, this is a team whose sole focus is getting into the playoffs and then "turning it on". Hard to see that working but OK...it's all we got.

[madmaxmedia]

"Earning minutes" is a two-way street. The coach has to be open-minded or else it doesn't matter what the players do. I can't even think of the last coach we've had who's played young players by choice. Getting drafted by this team is basically the worst-case scenario for any rookie's career - not because they're all busts, but because we don't even give them a chance to try.

Probably most NBA coaches follow this pattern unless of course you're coaching OKC or the Rockets where you really do not have a choice. Coaches are afraid to play younger guys because they feel veterans are more experienced to "win games". Don't think most coaches in the NBA are savvy enough to realize that it's the veterans that end up costing them games.
And they probably don't want to get a bad rep with players who feel their seniority won't be rewarded by a particular coach.

Right- I'd say head coaches are inherently incentivized to favor veterans because they are evaluated mainly on wins and losses, but this can be short-sighted for multiple reasons. If your rotation is too top heavy it can cost you in back to backs and when players miss time, and player development can be lacking as well.

[esqtvd]

Dogging both Doc and Ty in the same thread? A win-win.

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ADD: Kawhi had 1 point in the 4th quarter

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[Max Headrom]

I'm not worried about back to backs as these games don't happen in the playoffs. Clippers were in an absolute slugfest the day before with the best defense in the league. The team ran out of gas in the 4th and it was clear. Late on rotations, shots not falling, Kawhi invisible in the 4th. These are things that don't happen a lot. And the top 4 teams are locked in in the west. The west is gonna be a gauntlet no matter where any team finishes. If they can't beat the pelicans in the first round if it comes to that then this team wasn't winning a title anyway. Just want to see the guys get to the playoffs healthy.

[nickhx2]

voice of reason^

[Max Headrom]

voice of reason^

Because they won a playoff type, ugly game with Harden and PG stinking it up the night before is more encouraging than this loss is discouraging. I wouldn't have minded if Kawhi and PG would've sat this one honestly.

Does the loss suck? Yes, but also had to deal with a floppin ass Dame, Bev and Lopez getting ridiculous free throws in the 3rd to even get them back in the game.

[KL2]

A lot of factors go into it, obviously, but they get the schedule well in advance. They could circle a tough set of b2b or 3 in 5 with bringing some of the young guys to hopefully provide some spark. Sometimes all you need is to buy 2-3 minutes rest, see a steal, or dive on the floor. See guys attack without fear or be over aggressive on defense.

Maybe it wins you a game. Maybe it inspires the vets to dig a little deeper for one more run. It would certainly throw the other team off a bit.

But that’s all wishful thinking with this team.

[Max Headrom]

A lot of factors go into it, obviously, but they get the schedule well in advance. They could circle a tough set of b2b or 3 in 5 with bringing some of the young guys to hopefully provide some spark. Sometimes all you need is to buy 2-3 minutes rest, see a steal, or dive on the floor. See guys attack without fear or be over aggressive on defense.

Maybe it wins you a game. Maybe it inspires the vets to dig a little deeper for one more run. It would certainly throw the other team off a bit.

But that’s all wishful thinking with this team.

Russ is the guy that usually brings the energy to games like this. And for all of his faults, he brings energy and hustle and it's contagious and gives the team an extra bit of push. He also was the perfect player to check Dame this game.

[esqtvd]

A lot of factors go into it, obviously, but they get the schedule well in advance. They could circle a tough set of b2b or 3 in 5 with bringing some of the young guys to hopefully provide some spark. Sometimes all you need is to buy 2-3 minutes rest, see a steal, or dive on the floor. See guys attack without fear or be over aggressive on defense.

Maybe it wins you a game. Maybe it inspires the vets to dig a little deeper for one more run. It would certainly throw the other team off a bit.

But that’s all wishful thinking with this team.

You have former scrub Amir Coffey getting SIGNIFICANT minutes. You have reserve-level Terance Mann starting. You had/have Bones and Plumlee [and Theis before that], who are far more NBA-ready than the G-Leaguers, sitting in reserve. There is no guarantee that any of the 3rd string will EVER get serious NBA minutes, and they have been bloody awful in the minutes they DID get this year. Per 100 possessions:

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2
17 PJ Tucker** -10.0
18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0


They cost people in Vegas a lot of money, lol. Except for maybe Diabate--and we already have 3 other bigs--the other guys have been unplayable outside of garbage time.

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You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league, and we've thrown away enough leads as it is without "investing" meaningful PT in 3rd-tier prospects.

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*SGA was starting by his 10th game as a Clipper

**Kobe Brown has actually played more minutes for the Clippers than Tucker, 285-203

[Clemenza]

A lot of factors go into it, obviously, but they get the schedule well in advance. They could circle a tough set of b2b or 3 in 5 with bringing some of the young guys to hopefully provide some spark. Sometimes all you need is to buy 2-3 minutes rest, see a steal, or dive on the floor. See guys attack without fear or be over aggressive on defense.

Maybe it wins you a game. Maybe it inspires the vets to dig a little deeper for one more run. It would certainly throw the other team off a bit.

But that’s all wishful thinking with this team.

You had/have Bones and Plumlee [and Theis before that], who are far more NBA-ready than the G-Leaguers, sitting in reserve. There is no guarantee that any of the 3rd string will EVER get serious NBA minutes, and they have been bloody awful in the minutes they DID get this year. Per 100 possessions:

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2
17 PJ Tucker** -10.0
18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0


They cost people in Vegas a lot of money, lol. Except for maybe Diabate--and we already have 3 other bigs--the other guys have been unplayable outside of garbage time.

Read on Twitter

You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league, and we've thrown away enough leads as it is without "investing" meaningful PT in 3rd-tier prospects.

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*SGA was starting by his 10th game as a Clipper

**Kobe Brown has actually played more minutes for the Clippers, 285-203

You're right on que with the anti-youth movement. These low level random obscure Twitter accounts with one like to support your arguments against the "G Leaguers" never pans out or is taken serious bro.

[esqtvd]

A lot of factors go into it, obviously, but they get the schedule well in advance. They could circle a tough set of b2b or 3 in 5 with bringing some of the young guys to hopefully provide some spark. Sometimes all you need is to buy 2-3 minutes rest, see a steal, or dive on the floor. See guys attack without fear or be over aggressive on defense.

Maybe it wins you a game. Maybe it inspires the vets to dig a little deeper for one more run. It would certainly throw the other team off a bit.

But that’s all wishful thinking with this team.

You had/have Bones and Plumlee [and Theis before that], who are far more NBA-ready than the G-Leaguers, sitting in reserve. There is no guarantee that any of the 3rd string will EVER get serious NBA minutes, and they have been bloody awful in the minutes they DID get this year. Per 100 possessions:

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2
17 PJ Tucker** -10.0
18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0


They cost people in Vegas a lot of money, lol. Except for maybe Diabate--and we already have 3 other bigs--the other guys have been unplayable outside of garbage time.

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You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league, and we've thrown away enough leads as it is without "investing" meaningful PT in 3rd-tier prospects.

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*SGA was starting by his 10th game as a Clipper

**Kobe Brown has actually played more minutes for the Clippers, 285-203

You're right on que with the anti-youth movement. These low level random obscure Twitter accounts with one like to support your arguments against the "G Leaguers" never pans out or is taken serious bro.

Asked and answered. Anti-BAD youth, lol. Until further notice, the numbers say these guys suck. Name another exception besides Reggie:

You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league, and we've thrown away enough leads as it is without "investing" meaningful PT in 3rd-tier prospects.

As for the twitter post, I'm just reminding everyone what was being said at the time when the G-Leaguers were stinking up the joint. Maybe you don't remember. Do you have any rebuttal to the actual argument? The numbers don't lie. We have plenty of true NBA-ready players and not enough minutes for all of them. Why leak points with guys who may never be NBA-worthy?

Amir has EARNED his minutes, and he's not really a world-beater, just adequate. Mann is an adequate role player. We're gonna give their minutes to people who haven't earned them?

We're fighting for a top seed and just blew two huge leads in the last 2 weeks and the solution is to play guys even worse? The numbers say we'd have blown a lot more leads if we'd have put them out there in the games we did win.

I don't think people appreciate how a bad lineup can go minus-10 in like 3 minutes and lose you the game. You can't FAFO this year. The margin of error is too small.

[Clemenza]

You had/have Bones and Plumlee [and Theis before that], who are far more NBA-ready than the G-Leaguers, sitting in reserve. There is no guarantee that any of the 3rd string will EVER get serious NBA minutes, and they have been bloody awful in the minutes they DID get this year. Per 100 possessions:

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2
17 PJ Tucker** -10.0
18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0


They cost people in Vegas a lot of money, lol. Except for maybe Diabate--and we already have 3 other bigs--the other guys have been unplayable outside of garbage time.

Read on Twitter

You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league, and we've thrown away enough leads as it is without "investing" meaningful PT in 3rd-tier prospects.

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*SGA was starting by his 10th game as a Clipper

**Kobe Brown has actually played more minutes for the Clippers, 285-203

You're right on que with the anti-youth movement. These low level random obscure Twitter accounts with one like to support your arguments against the "G Leaguers" never pans out or is taken serious bro.

Just reminding everyone what was being said at the time when the G-Leaguers were stinking up the joint. Maybe you don't remember. Do you have any rebuttal to the actual argument? The numbers don't lie. We have plenty of true NBA-ready players and not enough minutes for all of them. Why play leak points with guys who may never be NBA-worthy?

We're fighting for a top seed and just blew two huge leads in the last 2 weeks and the solution is to play guys even worse?

Its a million tweets after Clipper games positive and negative. In turn I can pull up and post twenty plus tweets that also say Ty needs to try new things and new rotations after back to backs and 3 games in 5 nights. That random tweet is from Jan. 27th and nobody agreed with it nor gave a sh*t. I'm on twitter heavy every day. Millions of people are on there and one random and his opinion doesn't solidify or nail down a point as fact.

And yes we're playing for the top seed with an eight-nine man rotation(insane) with stars who are fragile and brittle asf!! You're doing plus/minus but these guys haven't been in real situations in spot minutes and that's all were talking about. But we'll just have agree to disagree. I get it, you hate all the "G Leaguers" on the team, its a vets only affair with you even though its pulling the team down lower and lower in the conference. Don't change a thing and ride the stars into the ground. Sounds good.

[esqtvd]

You're right on que with the anti-youth movement. These low level random obscure Twitter accounts with one like to support your arguments against the "G Leaguers" never pans out or is taken serious bro.

Just reminding everyone what was being said at the time when the G-Leaguers were stinking up the joint. Maybe you don't remember. Do you have any rebuttal to the actual argument? The numbers don't lie. We have plenty of true NBA-ready players and not enough minutes for all of them. Why play leak points with guys who may never be NBA-worthy?

We're fighting for a top seed and just blew two huge leads in the last 2 weeks and the solution is to play guys even worse?

Its a million tweets after Clipper games positive and negative. In turn I can pull up and post twenty plus tweets that also say Ty needs to try new things and new rotations after back to backs and 3 games in 5 nights. That random tweet is from Jan. 27th and nobody agreed with it nor gave a sh*t. I'm on twitter heavy every day. Millions of people are on there and one random and his opinion doesn't solidify or nail down a point as fact.

It's representative of what people were saying here and elsewhere. And me too. A footnote. It's not key to the argument. Ignore it. But they DID suck.

And yes we're playing for the top seed with an eight-nine man rotation(insane) with stars who are fragile and brittle asf!! You're doing plus/minus but these guys haven't been in real situations in spot minutes and that's all were talking about. But we'll just have agree to disagree. I get it, you hate all the "G Leaguers" on the team, its a vets only affair with you even though its pulling the team down lower and lower in the conference. Don't change a thing and ride the stars into the ground. Sounds good.

Mr. Clemenza, to cut to the chase--the "stars" (and let's include Zu and Powell) are going as hard as they can, as long as they can. If you want to cut their minutes, you're either replacing them with more minutes for Mann, Coffey, Plumlee and Theis [and now Bones]. Meh.

Or replacing their minutes with G-Leaguers. Which is a joke.

My argument is that Mann, Coffey, Plumlee, Theis and now Bones--that's HALF the rotation--are getting the minutes that these guys

No guarantee that any of our 3rd string will EVER get serious NBA minutes, and they have been bloody awful in the minutes they DID get this year. Per 100 possessions:

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2

18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0

haven't remotely earned. I'm not go personal back on you and accuse you of arguing dishonestly or even being prejudiced--this has been a good discussion--but, asked and answered. I'm anti-BAD youth, . Until further notice, the numbers say those guys suck.

You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league

Name ONE exception?

"Play the kids" is BS. We started SGA almost immediately. Jerome Robinson--TWO picks later--was out of the league in a couple of years. All "kids" are not created equal.

At the moment, after 4 years in the fold--mostly as a G-Leaguer--Amir has EARNED his minutes and is GETTING them---and he's no world-beater, just adequate. T-Mann is an adequate role player bumped up to starter. Kobe Brown HAS played more minutes than Tucker.

Whose minutes should Ty be giving to who? ('whom', actually)


I don't think people appreciate how a bad lineup can go minus-10 in like 3 minutes and lose you the game. You can't FAFO this year. The margin of error is too small.

[Clemenza]

Just reminding everyone what was being said at the time when the G-Leaguers were stinking up the joint. Maybe you don't remember. Do you have any rebuttal to the actual argument? The numbers don't lie. We have plenty of true NBA-ready players and not enough minutes for all of them. Why play leak points with guys who may never be NBA-worthy?

We're fighting for a top seed and just blew two huge leads in the last 2 weeks and the solution is to play guys even worse?

Its a million tweets after Clipper games positive and negative. In turn I can pull up and post twenty plus tweets that also say Ty needs to try new things and new rotations after back to backs and 3 games in 5 nights. That random tweet is from Jan. 27th and nobody agreed with it nor gave a sh*t. I'm on twitter heavy every day. Millions of people are on there and one random and his opinion doesn't solidify or nail down a point as fact.

It's representative of what people were saying here and elsewhere. It's not key to the argument. Ignore it. But they DID suck.

And yes we're playing for the top seed with an eight-nine man rotation(insane) with stars who are fragile and brittle asf!! You're doing plus/minus but these guys haven't been in real situations in spot minutes and that's all were talking about. But we'll just have agree to disagree. I get it, you hate all the "G Leaguers" on the team, its a vets only affair with you even though its pulling the team down lower and lower in the conference. Don't change a thing and ride the stars into the ground. Sounds good.

Mr. Clemenza, to cut to the chase--the "stars" (and let's include Zu) are going as hard as they can, as long as they can. If you want to cut their minutes, you're either replacing them with more minutes for Mann, Coffey, Plumlee and Theis [and now Bones]. Meh.

Or replacing their minutes with G-Leaguers. Which is a joke.

My argument is that Mann, Coffey, Plumlee, Theis and now Bones--that's HALF the rotation--are getting the minutes that these guys

There is no guarantee that any of the 3rd string will EVER get serious NBA minutes, and they have been bloody awful in the minutes they DID get this year. Per 100 possessions:

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2

18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0

haven't remotely earned. I'm not going to go personal on you and accuse you of arguing dishonestly or even being prejudiced but, asked and answered. Anti-BAD youth, lol. Until further notice, the numbers say those guys suck.

You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league

Name ONE exception? "Play the kids" is BS. The kids suck. We started SGA almost immediately. Jerome Robinson--TWO picks later--was out of the league in a couple of years. All "kids" are not created equal.

At the moment, after 4 years in the fold--mostly as a G-Leaguer--Amir has EARNED his minutes and is GETTING them----and he's not really a world-beater, just adequate. T-Mann is an adequate role player bumped up to starter. We're gonna give their minutes to who? Be specific. [Kobe Brown HAS played more minutes than Tucker.]


I don't think people appreciate how a bad lineup can go minus-10 in like 3 minutes and lose you the game. You can't FAFO this year. The margin of error is too small.

The "earned minutes" thing was thrown out the window and abandoned with the PJ Tucker situation. We can't even talk "earned minutes" anymore with this team. A few unknown randoms on twitter even said PG and Kawhi probably should've sat out the Bucks game altogether. I'm not saying the G Leaguers step in and take stars minutes. Of course that's not happening. Lue still staggering PG, Harden, and Kawhi all throughout the game pushing them to nearly 40 minutes last night like they're on 2-3 days rest is a problem. Ditch the staggering and let them sit the end of the 3rd and come back in midway into the 4th to finish the game on a back to back. More Mann, more Bones, maybe some Kobe minutes on Portis, etc. That's all certain fans are wondering on a late season back to back like yesterday. Of course you're going to stretch it out of proportion into some other sh*t like as if PG and Kawhi are getting benched for role players. Sheesh

[esqtvd]

Asked and answered--Kobe Brown has played more minutes for the Clippers than PJ Tucker.

That's a special case--the Clippers owe PJ $20M+ GUARANTEED and are trying to wring out some value because he has NEGATIVE trade value.

It's a cheap out. Let's move on.

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Mr. Clemenza, to cut to the chase--the "stars" (and let's include Zu) are going as hard as they can, as long as they can. If you want to cut their minutes, you're either replacing them with more minutes for Mann, Coffey, Plumlee and Theis [and now Bones]. Meh.

Or replacing their minutes with G-Leaguers. Which is a joke.

Mr. Clemenza, to cut to the chase--the "stars" (and let's include Zu) are going as hard as they can, as long as they can. If you want to cut their minutes, you're either replacing them with more minutes for Mann, Coffey, Plumlee and Theis [and now Bones]. Meh.

Or replacing their minutes with G-Leaguers. Which is a joke.

My argument is that Mann, Coffey, Plumlee, Theis and now Bones--that's HALF the rotation--are getting the minutes that these guys

There is no guarantee that any of the 3rd string will EVER get serious NBA minutes, and they have been bloody awful in the minutes they DID get this year. Per 100 possessions:

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2

18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0

haven't remotely earned. I'm not going to go personal on you and accuse you of arguing dishonestly or even being prejudiced but, asked and answered. Anti-BAD youth, lol. Until further notice, the numbers say those guys suck.

You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league

Name ONE exception? "Play the kids" is BS. The kids suck. We started SGA almost immediately. Jerome Robinson--TWO picks later--was out of the league in a couple of years. All "kids" are not created equal.

At the moment, after 4 years in the fold--mostly as a G-Leaguer--Amir has EARNED his minutes and is GETTING them----and he's not really a world-beater, just adequate. T-Mann is an adequate role player bumped up to starter. We're gonna give their minutes to who? Be specific. [Kobe Brown HAS played more minutes than Tucker.]


I don't think people appreciate how a bad lineup can go minus-10 in like 3 minutes and lose you the game. You can't FAFO this year. The margin of error is too small.[/quote]
The "earned minutes" thing was thrown out the window and abandoned with the PJ Tucker situation. We can't even talk "earned minutes" anymore with this team. A few unknown randoms on twitter even said PG and Kawhi probably should've sat out the Bucks game altogether. I'm not saying the G Leaguers step in and take stars minutes. Of course that's not happening. Lue still staggering PG, Harden, and Kawhi all throughout the game pushing them to nearly 40 minutes last night like they're on 2-3 days rest is a problem. Ditch the staggering and let them sit the end of the 3rd and come back in midway into the 4th to finish the game on a back to back. More Mann, more Bones, maybe some Kobe minutes on Portis, etc. That's all certain fans are wondering on a late season back to back like yesterday. Of course you're going to stretch it out of proportion into some other sh*t like as if PG and Kawhi are getting benched for role players. Sheesh[/quote]

[Clemenza]

Asked and answered--Kobe Brown has played more minutes for the Clippers than PJ Tucker.

That's a special case--the Clippers owe PJ $20M+ GUARANTEED and are trying to wring out some value because he has NEGATIVE trade value.

It's a cheap out. Let's move on.

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Mr. Clemenza, to cut to the chase--the "stars" (and let's include Zu) are going as hard as they can, as long as they can. If you want to cut their minutes, you're either replacing them with more minutes for Mann, Coffey, Plumlee and Theis [and now Bones]. Meh.

Or replacing their minutes with G-Leaguers. Which is a joke.

Mr. Clemenza, to cut to the chase--the "stars" (and let's include Zu) are going as hard as they can, as long as they can. If you want to cut their minutes, you're either replacing them with more minutes for Mann, Coffey, Plumlee and Theis [and now Bones]. Meh.

Or replacing their minutes with G-Leaguers. Which is a joke.

My argument is that Mann, Coffey, Plumlee, Theis and now Bones--that's HALF the rotation--are getting the minutes that these guys

There is no guarantee that any of the 3rd string will EVER get serious NBA minutes, and they have been bloody awful in the minutes they DID get this year. Per 100 possessions:

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2

18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0

haven't remotely earned. I'm not going to go personal on you and accuse you of arguing dishonestly or even being prejudiced but, asked and answered. Anti-BAD youth, lol. Until further notice, the numbers say those guys suck.

You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league

Name ONE exception? "Play the kids" is BS. The kids suck. We started SGA almost immediately. Jerome Robinson--TWO picks later--was out of the league in a couple of years. All "kids" are not created equal.

At the moment, after 4 years in the fold--mostly as a G-Leaguer--Amir has EARNED his minutes and is GETTING them----and he's not really a world-beater, just adequate. T-Mann is an adequate role player bumped up to starter. We're gonna give their minutes to who? Be specific. [Kobe Brown HAS played more minutes than Tucker.]


I don't think people appreciate how a bad lineup can go minus-10 in like 3 minutes and lose you the game. You can't FAFO this year. The margin of error is too small.

The "earned minutes" thing was thrown out the window and abandoned with the PJ Tucker situation. We can't even talk "earned minutes" anymore with this team. A few unknown randoms on twitter even said PG and Kawhi probably should've sat out the Bucks game altogether. I'm not saying the G Leaguers step in and take stars minutes. Of course that's not happening. Lue still staggering PG, Harden, and Kawhi all throughout the game pushing them to nearly 40 minutes last night like they're on 2-3 days rest is a problem. Ditch the staggering and let them sit the end of the 3rd and come back in midway into the 4th to finish the game on a back to back. More Mann, more Bones, maybe some Kobe minutes on Portis, etc. That's all certain fans are wondering on a late season back to back like yesterday. Of course you're going to stretch it out of proportion into some other sh*t like as if PG and Kawhi are getting benched for role players. Sheesh

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Asked and answered--Kobe Brown has played more minutes for the Clippers than PJ Tucker.

That's a special case--the Clippers owe PJ $20M+ GUARANTEED and are trying to wring out some value because he has NEGATIVE trade value.

It's a cheap out. Let's move on.

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Mr. Clemenza, to cut to the chase--the "stars" (and let's include Zu) are going as hard as they can, as long as they can. If you want to cut their minutes, you're either replacing them with more minutes for Mann, Coffey, Plumlee and Theis [and now Bones]. Meh.

Or replacing their minutes with G-Leaguers. Which is a joke.

13 Moussa Diabate -1.5
14 Bones Hyland -3.7
15 Joshua Primo -4.2

18 Kobe Brown** -11.4
19 Brandon Boston Jr. -23.0
20 Jordan Miller -31.3
21 Xavier Moon -50.0

haven't remotely earned. I'm not going to go personal on you and accuse you of arguing dishonestly or even being prejudiced but, asked and answered. Anti-BAD youth, lol. Until further notice, the numbers say those guys suck.

You have to go back 10 years to find a single Clipper draftee who went elsewhere and made good*, and it took Reggie Bullock 4 years and 3 teams to even become journeyman-level. The odds are that low draft packs are probably never gonna do d*ck in this league

Name ONE exception? "Play the kids" is BS. The kids suck. We started SGA almost immediately. Jerome Robinson--TWO picks later--was out of the league in a couple of years. All "kids" are not created equal.

At the moment, after 4 years in the fold--mostly as a G-Leaguer--Amir has EARNED his minutes and is GETTING them----and he's not really a world-beater, just adequate. T-Mann is an adequate role player bumped up to starter. We're gonna give their minutes to who? Be specific. [Kobe Brown HAS played more minutes than Tucker.]


I don't think people appreciate how a bad lineup can go minus-10 in like 3 minutes and lose you the game. You can't FAFO this year. The margin of error is too small.

The "earned minutes" thing was thrown out the window and abandoned with the PJ Tucker situation. We can't even talk "earned minutes" anymore with this team.

Kobe has played MORE minutes than PJ Tucker.

A few unknown randoms on twitter even said PG and Kawhi probably should've sat out the Bucks game altogether. I'm not saying the G Leaguers step in and take stars minutes. Of course that's not happening. Lue still staggering PG, Harden, and Kawhi all throughout the game pushing them to nearly 40 minutes last night like they're on 2-3 days rest is a problem. Ditch the staggering and let them sit the end of the 3rd and come back in midway into the 4th to finish the game on a back to back. More Mann, more Bones, maybe some Kobe minutes on Portis, etc. That's all certain fans are wondering on a late season back to back like yesterday. Of course you're going to stretch it out of proportion into some other sh*t like as if PG and Kawhi are getting benched for role players. Sheesh

Who are you going to bench them for?

More Mann, more Bones, maybe some Kobe minutes on Portis, etc.

Well you gave an honest answer. Thanks. We're getting somewhere.