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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#151 » by MistyMountain20 » Sat May 25, 2013 6:04 am

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the team started doing better because the lakers as a whole started playing passable defense coinciding with howard's back improving to level dwight could begin to look like the 3 DPOY he was.

Okay you ignored the portion of the quote of where I was directly responding to you, whatever.

I didn't say the Lakers improved play was only because of Bryant's play; Howard's defensive emergence coupled with Pau's later improved play and Blake playing out of his mind helped as well. But the Lakers still had difficulties even beating the weakest of teams; they need every bit of boxscore stuffing Kobe was doing at the time.

the lakers never had issues scoring

If that's the case, why do you have such an issue with the way Kobe plays. Offense is offense, right?

TS% scales from 0-150%, 150% if you shoot only 3s and hit 100% of them.

mid .600s = efficient, mid .500s = semi efficient. median = passable offense. we've been through this


No this is the first time you've explained what qualifies as efficient. So it's an arbitrary number like I said, that relates to nothing. Weird analysis, that means Michael Jordan was never efficient once in his career and that Tim Duncan's efficiency as a big man is embarrassing.

and this has what to do with this debate?


I was gonna open that topic after you elaborated on what is efficient, but clearly we have bigger issues before we can broach another sub-topic.

from the very first few posts, i've referred to lebron being efficient and kobe being semi-efficient. we've been through this



Right, his TS% as a benchmark. Not a PC where we're discussing who's better and why. Hence why this shouldn't be about Kobe vs LeBron.

MJ was the exception, not the rule. we can debate this to death, but big men have long dominated the game starting from george mikan


LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce/Ray Allen, Manu Ginobli/Tony Parker, Dwyane Wade, 2004/1990/1989 Pistons, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, etc. etc. etc.

This is the same thing like saying you need to be a defensive team in order to win a title. Yes there's plenty of support to it, but there's also plenty of support to the offensive side as well. It's the same thing here.

doesn't change the fact id rather build around big men over kobe.


Correct, big men. Like Duncan, Hakeem, Robinson etc. Pau and Lamar are not those players, so no I don't want to build around them over Kobe.

only one of the reasons we went 28 from 40 games to finish the season along with improved defense. if we'd had that from the beginning, we'd have been a 55 win team. more please


Has completely nothing to do with the quoted text. Yes if we would have been a good defensive team we would have had a better record. Who's arguing that.

physical ability aside, as far as stats go, this is still peak kobe


So aside from the other most critical part of being an effective basketball player, he's still the same, cool.
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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#152 » by Dr Aki » Sat May 25, 2013 6:59 am

MistyMountain20 wrote:I didn't say the Lakers improved play was only because of Bryant's play; Howard's defensive emergence coupled with Pau's later improved play and Blake playing out of his mind helped as well. But the Lakers still had difficulties even beating the weakest of teams; they need every bit of boxscore stuffing Kobe was doing at the time.


and if kobe hadn't been too busy scoreboard stuffing and fed the bigs/nash, we have bigger margins of victory and we mightn't have been in those situations in the first place.

If that's the case, why do you have such an issue with the way Kobe plays. Offense is offense, right?


because we would've won by larger margins and a wouldn't be reliant on kobe's offense.

No this is the first time you've explained what qualifies as efficient. So it's an arbitrary number like I said, that relates to nothing. Weird analysis, that means Michael Jordan was never efficient once in his career and that Tim Duncan's efficiency as a big man is embarrassing.


duncan brought various other qualities to the table aside from scoring. but as a scorer, he's not that great.

MJ most seasons would be considered semi-efficient. but at least he's topped .600 in 4 separate seasons

Right, his TS% as a benchmark. Not a PC where we're discussing who's better and why. Hence why this shouldn't be about Kobe vs LeBron.


fine. let's call it kobe's TS% vs the .600 TS% threshold. we don't have to involve lebron

LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce/Ray Allen, Manu Ginobli/Tony Parker, Dwyane Wade, 2004/1990/1989 Pistons, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, etc. etc. etc.

This is the same thing like saying you need to be a defensive team in order to win a title. Yes there's plenty of support to it, but there's also plenty of support to the offensive side as well. It's the same thing here.


are you seriously trying to argue that big men aren't more important than perimeter players.

Correct, big men. Like Duncan, Hakeem, Robinson etc. Pau and Lamar are not those players, so no I don't want to build around them over Kobe.


which wasn't my argument either, my argument was i'd pick lamar AND pau AND bynum over kobe

Has completely nothing to do with the quoted text. Yes if we would have been a good defensive team we would have had a better record. Who's arguing that.


i'm arguing kobe's new found selflessness midway through the season deserved a lot less credit than our defense and thus such an argument didn't hold as much weight

So aside from the other most critical part of being an effective basketball player, he's still the same, cool.


that's why there's this part of basketball called skills that has allowed kobe to stay relevant

anyway, im off to eat korean fire chicken. we'll continue this tomorrow
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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#153 » by EArl » Sat May 25, 2013 9:32 am

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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#154 » by TyCobb » Sat May 25, 2013 8:00 pm

Goddamn. Go Pacers!
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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#155 » by EArl » Sun May 26, 2013 1:45 am

Grizz off to a great start.
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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#156 » by makaveli_99 » Sun May 26, 2013 3:10 am

memphis sucks man... blew such a big lead... at least make this a series damnit. Plus i have $ on them tonight.

damn duncan, 15 9 and 3, and the 4th just started - someone check his birth certif. he cant be 37 :lol:
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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#157 » by makaveli_99 » Sun May 26, 2013 3:50 am

ok so the Spurs will play the winner of Indi/Miami in the finals.
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Post#158 » by RamonSessions7 » Sun May 26, 2013 3:54 am

I thought the Spurs were supposed to be dominated like a round ago?
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Post#159 » by Dr Aki » Sun May 26, 2013 3:54 am

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Post#160 » by dockingsched » Sun May 26, 2013 3:58 am

grizz have em right where they want
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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#161 » by Doormatt » Sun May 26, 2013 4:04 am

107-0 record with a 3-0 lead.

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Post#162 » by EArl » Sun May 26, 2013 4:06 am

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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#163 » by MistyMountain20 » Sun May 26, 2013 4:26 am

DEEP3CL wrote:Didn't I say the Spurs would look like old dust against the Warriors. Too athletic, can shoot it better than most teams in this league and has just enough size to equalize Duncan. Warriors winning this series.


DEEP3CL wrote:The next time Spur fans see their team live.....they'll be down 3-1. Believe that.


DEEP3CL wrote:The Spurs are in real trouble, the people that they were able to play in the series with us are none factors. The Warriors can get points in bunches, and their backcourt is unguardable. Plus the Spurs perimeter/ wing defense is horrid right now.


DEEP3CL wrote:The games tell their own story, as far as my prediction for the series I still feel this is going 7. I had the Warriors winning it in a dramatic finish.......just watch.


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But like Kool Moe Dee said back in the day....." Times up punk", Memphis about to do damage on them. Anybody who really knows me here knows I despise the Spurs, I respect them but I have a hate for them. Bottom line this is their last chance to get far. Too many teams in the west are closing the gap on them, and if we get right next season we can also be a roadblock.

I'm not so sure San Antonio can beat Miami, you think Kawhi Leonard is going to shut down or slow Lebron down ? Hell no. Miami is tailor made to slice and dissect a team like the Spurs. Heat / Spurs ain't happen'in bro.


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I still feel Memphis can win this series, each game tells it's own story. Game 2 will be different and the story will get different in Memphis. The Spurs got a lot of bogus calls in their favor today, but Z-Bo has to play better also.


DEEP3CL wrote:@Aki & EArl......there is no curse, the Spurs got lucky as hell in Game 2. I'm still not sold on the Spurs dominating this series, I see too many damn holes in their arsenal. Tony Allen called it in an article I read today, Tony Parker is the head you have to cut off to kill the Spurs. If Allen checks TP from the jump Game 3 could be different.


DEEP3CL wrote:Aki and EArl........you guys are too funny. And you both seem to love the Spurs chances way too much. I've seen their act way too long, once Memphis figures out Parker or decides to put clamps on him you'll see them struggle.

Are both of you really watching the game within the game ?

Memphis talked about it today, they seem to know what they have to do. And that's the funny thing about 7 game series, just takes a short minute to catch up to schemes. Memphis have toyed with the Spurs in the past, they're not just going to suddenly dummy up for no reason.


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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#164 » by Doormatt » Sun May 26, 2013 4:31 am

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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#165 » by makaveli_99 » Sun May 26, 2013 4:47 am

:lol: man.. if miami is in the finals.. i really hope DEEP predicts miami beating down the spurs...... that way the spurs can win :)
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Post#166 » by Slava » Sun May 26, 2013 6:12 am

Man, I hope Wade gets a suspension for that people's elbow on Stephenson. The guy has gotten so arrogant, he makes Kobe & Lebron seem humble in comparison.
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Post#167 » by EArl » Sun May 26, 2013 6:41 am

Yeah that was a bitch move by Wade. At worst he will get a fragrant foul though.

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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#168 » by DEEP3CL » Sun May 26, 2013 7:42 pm

Good work MistyMountain20, I won't back down from what I was feeling or said. But after watching Game 3 Memphis is clearly not ready to contend. They're losing the games on their own more so than the Spurs dominating them. The only piece the Spurs prepared for was shutting down Zach, they double him on the catch and even crowd him on missed shots to limit his effectiveness on the boards.

That series is effectively over and you could tell by the looks on the Griz players faces when it was over. I said how they lost Game 1 didn't bother them all that much, but now after further thought it's the execution or lack thereof that's cost them this series. The Griz just can't function in the chess match that takes place in tight games. All these games were lost in the last 2-3 minutes, and on top of the fact that Zach who was their go to guy in the Clipper series is on the MIA list down the stretch. This is leaving Conley and Mark.G to pick up the playmaking to close out games.....and they both lack crunch playoff experience.

Also @ makaveli.....

If Miami get's out of the Pacer series I wouldn't pick them to beat the Spurs......I got basketball IQ and a damn high one at that. Size kills, Miami lacks that. C'mon man.

Plus neither team went head to head, they played pussy and pouted and sat guys out both times.
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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#169 » by Dr Aki » Mon May 27, 2013 3:26 am

DEEP3CL wrote:If Miami get's out of the Pacer series I wouldn't pick them to beat the Spurs......I got basketball IQ and a damn high one at that. Size kills, Miami lacks that. C'mon man.

Plus neither team went head to head, they played pussy and pouted and sat guys out both times.


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Re: Around The NBA 4.0 (Playoffs Edition) 

Post#170 » by DEEP3CL » Mon May 27, 2013 7:47 pm

Aki wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:If Miami get's out of the Pacer series I wouldn't pick them to beat the Spurs......I got basketball IQ and a damn high one at that. Size kills, Miami lacks that. C'mon man.

Plus neither team went head to head, they played pussy and pouted and sat guys out both times.


you take that back right now
I'm not taking anything back.......you really need to lay off man your act is getting old jock riding every post I put in here now. What I said had NOTHING to do with predictions, and based on what I saw from Miami the first two games I had every right to say " IF THEY GET OUT THE SERIES"

But you really need to stop....this is my final warning to you before things get nasty.
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