How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson?

[aaron_gray]

Pros of resigning Clarkson

-Above all, continuity. Constant roster turnover in the hopes of discovering a superstar is horrible for chemistry, which is vitally important for anyone who wants to play a Spurs style pass-pass-layup type ball. Chemistry was a massive issue to start the season, but we've been seeing some improvement, especially on that one play where Hibbert gave the ball to a cutting Clarkson who gave it right back for a wide open dunk.

-As of right now, is the only true driving threat on the team as Lou Will shakes of his rust. Russell is improving, but his confidence and finishing is no where near Clarkson's level.

-Very, very fast. Occasionally, you see how the Lakers are supposed to play: Hibbert gets a defensive stop and then Clarkson goes off to the races.

-Is still a good distributor when asked to run the show with the backups.

-Same prime as the high draft picks.





Cons of resigning Clarkson

-His defense lacks consistency. His off-ball defense has been laughably bad at times this year, though his one on one defense has been alright.

-He will probably demand quite a bit of money because he's young and improving.

-He may not be the best fit with Russell.

[No-Man]

Clarkson is just a guy, in a serious team he is not more than a combo scorer from the bench, a solid 6th man, he needs the ball badly and he has tunnel vision, he is not a guy with high upside either, I wont pay him at all honestly, you got a better guy that him at been a 6th man in Lou, who knows his role.
I will try to flip Clarkson and Young for a expiring and a 1st round pick before February.

[Mirjalovic]

<10 mil.

or probably around the eigning sixth man of the year's contract.

[ALL HAIL]

He has a cap on how much he can make (Gilbert Arenas Provision): He'll make somewhere between 10.5 and 13.5 million a year.

[ratra_1211]

He has a cap on how much he can make (Gilbert Arenas Provision): He'll make somewhere between 10.5 and 13.5 million a year.

This. Get him for long term contract like 4 years maybe 10 mil, when we know how good he can be then decide to extend his contract or not. Re-signing him is a no brainer imo, young high upside athletic guard who can shoot 3s and 2s consistently for cheap. At worst he could be our super athletic high energy scorer off the bench in the future

[Slava]

I'd be happy with anything between $60 - $70 mil over 5 years. 60 would be excellent, 70 is livable and still less than 1/6th of the total cap. We can afford to delay the deal since his cap hold will be quite small and hunt bigger FAs before paying him. If the Lakers mess this negotiation up, I'd lose all faith in the front office.

[iamworthy]

He's restricted so let other teams set the market then determine if it's worth matching.

[Hector_Reyes_8]

He's restricted so let other teams set the market then determine if it's worth matching.

Got it right on the money, literally.

[PKABOOICU]

no more than 9 million a year....hes a SG stuck in a PG's body....hes much, much smaller than Kobe...thats the first thing i noticed when i saw them live standing next to each other. He's about the same size as D'Lo...I think Clarkson is the best player on the Lakers but you can find his services in other players. I'd like to keep him but for the right price...definitely not worth an overpay.

[mcscotty]

If he keeps playing at this level, expect to pay his max value in this market. The way this guy has been steadily improving, we can't let him walk. Pay whatever we must. I want to see Randle, Clarkson, and Russell together a few more seasons. How about Hibbert?

[warrenpeace]

Unfortunately, under the new CBA, Clarkson will get over 20mil a year. He is not worth anywhere near that, but that will be the doing rate. He will definitely get that.

[LApwnd]

Unfortunately, under the new CBA, Clarkson will get over 20mil a year. He is not worth anywhere near that, but that will be the doing rate. He will definitely get that.

Did you even bother reading the post above yours?

[BEazy]

Did somebody really say Lou Williams is better than Clarkson? LMAO!!

[warrenpeace]

Did you even bother reading the post above yours?

Yes I did. Why are you asking?

[warrenpeace]

hes a SG stuck in a PG's body.

No, He is a tall athletic point guard who can shoot and score. He made all rookie team last year, as a point guard. He is being ask to play the shooting guard position, to accommodate D'Angelo. I believe that the Lakers would be a better team with a better record this season, if Clarkson was playing the point guard position full time.

[warrenpeace]

hes a SG stuck in a PG's body.

No, He is a tall athletic point guard who can shoot and score. He made all rookie team last year, as a point guard. He is being ask to play the shooting guard position, to accommodate D'Angelo. I believe that the Lakers would be a better team with a better record this season, if Clarkson was playing the point guard position full time.

[MelosSoreWrist]

Gilbert Arenas Provision.

Before 2005 it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 25) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas directly) for up to the amount of the Early Bird exception, which was about $4.9 million at the time. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed starting with the 2005 CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25). Limiting the first-year salary in this way enables the player's original team to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 25), or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (provided they have it and haven't used it already)1.

The second-year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 4.5% raise. The third-year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first-year salary not been limited by this rule to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception2. The salary in the fourth season may increase (or decrease) by up to 4.1% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the highest salary allowed in the first two seasons, it is fully guaranteed, and it contains no bonuses of any kind.

If the raise in the third season exceeds the standard raise (4.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract), then an additional restriction exists. In order to determine how large the offer can be, the team doesn't just have to fit the first-year salary under the cap. Instead, they must fit the average salary in the entire contract under the cap. So a team $8 million under the cap is limited to offering a total of $24 million over three years, or $32 million over four years. If the offer sheet does not contain a third-season raise larger than 4.5% of the first-season salary, then they only have to fit the first season salary under the cap.

Putting this all together, if a team that is $9 million under the cap in 2011-12 wants to submit a four-year offer sheet, and wants to provide a large raise in the third season, they can offer a total of $36 million over four years. The first-year salary is limited to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or $5 million. The second-year salary will be $5.225 million (4.5% raise). This leaves $25.775 million to be distributed over the final two seasons of the contract, with a 4.1% raise from year three to year four. So the entire contract looks like this:

Season Salary Notes
1 $5,000,000 Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level amount for 2011-12
2 $5,225,000 4.5% raise over season 1
3 $12,628,613 This is the amount that yields $25.775 million over the final two seasons with a 4.1% raise3
4 $13,146,387 Raise is 4.1% of season 3 salary
Total $36,000,000 Average is $9 million, which equals the team's cap room

For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $9.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the four seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary.4 The player's original team is allowed to use any available exception (e.g., the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level or the Early Bird) to match the offer.

Since a team must fit the average salary from the entire contract under the cap in order to offer the large third-season raise, it must have some amount of cap room above the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception amount in order to utilize this provision. For example, suppose the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception amount is $5 million, and a team wants to provide a four-year offer sheet. If they want to offer a third-year raise greater than 4.5%, their cap room will be determined by the contract's average salary, so the total contract must pay $20.4 million or less. However, since a four-year offer starting at $5 million with standard 4.5% raises would total $21.35 million, the Arenas provision would be ineffective unless it offered more than this amount. So the team in this example would need at least $5.3375 million in cap room in order to utilize the provision.

As I said above, the loophole was addressed with this rule, but not closed completely. The Gilbert Arenas provision is primarily intended to protect teams from losing their successful second round picks, who are typically Early Bird free agents after two years. There are several situations where a team still might be unable to match an offer sheet:

If the player is a Non-Bird free agent, the team only has the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, and the offer sheet is higher or for more years than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception.
If the player is a Non-Bird free agent and the team already used their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception to sign another player.
If the player is a Non-Bird or Early Bird free agent with three years in the league (this rule applies only to players with one or two years in the league).
If a team has two Non-Bird free agents with one or two years in the league. They can use their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception to keep one of them, but would lose the other.

[LApwnd]

Did you even bother reading the post above yours?

Yes I did. Why are you asking?

Cause you think hes getting 20mill

[PKABOOICU]

hes a SG stuck in a PG's body.

No, He is a tall athletic point guard who can shoot and score. He made all rookie team last year, as a point guard. He is being ask to play the shooting guard position, to accommodate D'Angelo. I believe that the Lakers would be a better team with a better record this season, if Clarkson was playing the point guard position full time.

lol by no means is a point guard. do you watch laker games? he's a SG looking to score. Jeremy Lin was the starting point guard, and the all rookie team last year was-

PG- elfrid payton
SG- jordan clarkson
SF- andrew wiggins
PF- nikola mirotic
C- nerlens noel

hes not tall at all, especially for a SG. he's only 6'4..kobe was 6'6, wider body, and a longer wing span...and no way do the lakers become better with Clarkson at PG..D'Lo is already a much better true PG than Clarkson with his natural passing and ability to see open guys, and nifty passes. Clarkson puts his head down and looks to score...like monte ellis.

[LApwnd]

hes a SG stuck in a PG's body.

No, He is a tall athletic point guard who can shoot and score. He made all rookie team last year, as a point guard. He is being ask to play the shooting guard position, to accommodate D'Angelo. I believe that the Lakers would be a better team with a better record this season, if Clarkson was playing the point guard position full time.

lol by no means is a point guard. do you watch laker games? he's a SG looking to score. Jeremy Lin was the starting point guard, and the all rookie team last year was-

PG- elfrid payton
SG- jordan clarkson
SF- andrew wiggins
PF- nikola mirotic
C- nerlens noel

hes not tall at all, especially for a SG. he's only 6'4..kobe was 6'6, wider body, and a longer wing span...and no way do the lakers become better with Clarkson at PG..D'Lo is already a much better true PG than Clarkson with his natural passing and ability to see open guys, and nifty passes. Clarkson puts his head down and looks to score...like monte ellis.

does it mater if Clarkson is a smaller SG? how many tall and really good SG are there in this league? Only one I see thats about kobe sz now is Klay, even Harden isn't really 6'6" as he's listed and Dwade is 6'4".....take a look at Pho backcourt, who's the PG and SG of that duo.