OT: The Lakers Fan Election Thread

[hermes]

McCain didn't get elected because he's white!

(by the way, i hope thats green font (color blind) it was meant to be a joke)


*also i just put parentheses inside parentheses


anyway i think the issue of race and gender (Hillary in the primaries and with Palin) and age (McCain, dudes like 100) were way overblown and talked about too much because the election process was 2 reakingfa years!! (pardon my pig latin)
that needs to be addressed this thing is going way too long

[DubaLakers]

Yes dcash I'm serious why is a 50 white 50 black man looked at as an African American? I'm only harping on this because it appears to me many voted for him in large part because they see him as an African American.

He is part yes, 50%. Wouldn't you need a 51% blend to consider him an African American? If that's the case couldn't a white man from Orange County, since Orange County is all racist according to my buddy Tony , say yea another white man got elected woo-hoo as well?

[LLcoleJ]

Yes dcash I'm serious why is a 50 white 50 black man looked at as an African American? I'm only harping on this because it appears to me many voted for him in large part because they see him as an African American.

He is part yes, 50%. Wouldn't you need a 51% blend to consider him an African American? If that's the case couldn't a white man from Orange County, since Orange County is all racist according to my buddy Tony , say yea another white man got elected woo-hoo as well?

I have no idea why you keep harping on this race thing. You are actually dividing it up now?

I also find it funny that you have a problem with a mass-majoirty voting for a political side based on nothing more than the color of their skin...yet you seem to have no problem with a religous community whom were probably told if they dont vote got bush/cheney and mccain/palin they would go to hell.

Thankfully we were able to seperate church and state this time because they last 2 times these mass-majority followers did what they were told it nearly ruined this country.

[snaquille oatmeal]

We can only hope, brother E. We can only hope. As I said before, President Obama has a massive challenge ahead of him -- but also an unbelievable opportunity, to unite this country and get this great ship we call America headed back in the right direction. Let's hope he doesn't blow it like W, after 9/11, did his.

Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention one of my favorite moments last night -- the way Sarah Palin's lip quivered in the middle of McCain's highly classy concession speech. I know it's vindictive and mean, but I don't care. F her and everything she stands for. And allow me to be the first to warn you to gird your loins for Palin's assault in 2012. You betcha.

Verb, I have no idea how the overall votes stack up, but I'm assuming McCain took the county.

That's incredibly horrible to say Sedale.

I'm angry that the American people are so easily influenced by a unqualified cantidate. He was elected in this county IMO for all the reasons except for the most important ones, his policies. If it was based on policies alone there is no doubt In my mind who the slam dunk choice was. That being said I don't hate the man whatsoever, or wish him I'll will. Now that he is soon to be President officially, I hope he succeeds, the country needs it. BTW EE, entreprenural spirit sir? That entrepenural spirit took a huge hit yesterday.

3 sententenses that need to be adressed
1. I'm angry that the American people are so easily influenced by a unqualified cantidate.
I hope you are talking about Palin or Dubiya in here because you lost all credibility there if you mean Obama. Obama may not be as experienced as Biden or Macain are in the senate, but he defenatly is more qualified than Dubya was when the supreme court elected him president. just because George was governor of Texas it didn't make him qualified in foreing policy or economics for that matter as we all found out. and let's not talk about Palin who could have been just a viagra overdose away from being president.

2. He was elected in this county IMO for all the reasons except for the most important ones, his policies.
I voted for him because of his policies. the fact that he is a great orator and great communicator does not make what he says false or a lie or wrong, in fact he makes complicated subjects easy to understand and does not hide what he says with fear tactics and clever slogans ala Rove.

3. If it was based on policies alone there is no doubt In my mind who the slam dunk choice was
the policies that Macain ran under were in parrallel with those of George W Bush and you have the basketballs to insinuate that somehow they will keep working! wow! the only people that those policies worked for are CEOs of war profeteering corporations like Black Water, Halliburton and its subsidiaries, and the Oil corporations. hey, but if you are one of the elete chosen ones to have made your money from stealing the peoples resources without paying high taxes then I guess more power to you. all of us peons that pay for your luxury yacht whenever we let you exploit our natural resources for free and let you rob us of our national budget really f'ed up and voted for our own best interest this time. sorry, our bad!

[dockingsched]

Yes dcash I'm serious why is a 50 white 50 black man looked at as an African American? I'm only harping on this because it appears to me many voted for him in large part because they see him as an African American.

He is part yes, 50%. Wouldn't you need a 51% blend to consider him an African American? If that's the case couldn't a white man from Orange County, since Orange County is all racist according to my buddy Tony , say yea another white man got elected woo-hoo as well?

are you basically saying obama is not african american? is that what the gist of your comment?


cause you've been commenting about people voting for him because of his race. sounds like you're just trying to play devils' advocate for everything.

[semi-sentient]

Yes dcash I'm serious why is a 50 white 50 black man looked at as an African American? I'm only harping on this because it appears to me many voted for him in large part because they see him as an African American.

He is half and half, but the color of his skin is what people see, so he is immediately associated with African American instead of a Caucasian. I don't think there's anything wrong with it either way, but that's the general perception of those were both for and against (clearly).

[Sedale Threatt]

I only voted for Obama because I heard he wants to put a basketball court in the White House.

Well, that and because I thought he was the best candidate, and as an added bonus his election would piss off the white bread, conservative cultists, er, Christians who high-jacked our country for the past eight years. Talk about your win-win.

[LLcoleJ]

I only voted for Obama because I heard he wants to put a basketball court in the White House.

Well, that and because I thought he was the best candidate, and as an added bonus his election would piss off the white bread, conservative cultists, er, Christians who high-jacked our country for the past eight years. Talk about your win-win.

No, you didnt. You only voted for him because he was black.!!!!!!!
admit it...ADMIT IT!!!! *prepares water board*

[milesfides]

Barack Obama is a Christian, specifically a member of the United Church of Christ, a Protestant denomination.

One contributing factor in Obama's victory was that he made inroads into the Republican base, and he appealed to many Americans of different faiths, backgrounds. Including evangelical Christians. Including Catholics, Jews, and Muslims. And I'm sure, atheists. The New York Times reported that many young evangelicals voted for Obama, implying more of a generation difference rather than a religious one.

And that's the testament to the continual evolution and development of the American people. Freedom of religion - and the wisdom to respect others to exercise that freedom, without prejudice.

Dismissing Christianity turns a blind eye to its role in American history, from the founding of the nation to the many positive social, economic, and cultural contributions to women's suffrage, child labor laws, protection against prostitution, abolition, and the civil rights movement, just to name a few.

Unfortunately, it's all too easy for a leader to call himself a Christian and yet behave immorally, inappropriately, inexcusably.

True, Bush calls himself a Christian and he and Chaney made some horrible decisions; but, what, Jesus made them do it?

Bill Clinton was a Southern Baptist. Served two terms - and he won a lot of states in Middle America. But was it Christianity's fault that he committed adultery, or contributed to some serious problems in African and the middle east?

What about FDR, who famously said, "I am a Christian and a Democrat, that's all." Roosevelt was a pretty good president, I heard.

Picking and choosing among presidents to criticize Christianity simply demonstrates a prior conviction against Christianity.

It takes an a priori judgement on Christianity to attribute the ills of Christianity based on the actions of individuals. And that's a form of bigotry itself.

Hating on Christianity is the same as hating on Islam, Catholicism, Judaism, or skin color, or gender, or sexual orientation, or anything else. Hating on Christianity is convenient and it's an easy target(Christianity is still the majority religion in America), but these attacks are selective, biased, and most of all, it's un-American.

A better criticism of middle America would be this: ignorance, the lack of cultural and ethnic diversity, the lack of exchange of ideas and commerce contribute to their provincial perspectives; not their religion(s).

In a widely circulated exchange, McCain interviewed some lady and she called Obama a muslim. Now, was that because of her religious beliefs (I don't know what she was) or because she was ignorant?


Obama's approach is the right one. He criticizes leaders who abuse their position in religious communities. He endorses the separation between church and state, and deeply respects and honors the right of others to freely believe (or not believe). Yet he's not ashamed about his personal convictions, and he's not shy about stating how Christianity helped shape his character, his outlook, and his decisions.

He embodies the quintessential nature of what it means to be American, and articulates, both in speech and in behavior, the extent and the limitations of religion's role in our allegiance to the red, white and blue.


*Note: Barack Obama's stated beliefs:

"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... ml?start=2

[TonyMontana]

Dcash, Semi, Miles S.T........... I love all of your posts Mangs.
On the other hand, Snaq............... You hit that M.F right on the money...... I mean you and Miles are so money on your post its not even funny.
Bush and his office didnt and dont give a monkeys ASS about us, or anyone thats not involved with the companies Snaq had mentioned.
Im a Vet ........ A uckin proud Vet. Im a minority that served for this country, not cause I was drafted or forced to enlist. Not because of any Army College fund or any future career goals.
I had a full scholarship for C.A.D.D to Cal Poly in Pomona.
So I decided to go in the Army to serve my country, again I wasnt forced or it wasnt my only means of a career.
But one dam thing that pisses me of is that, as a Vet that was injured I have lifetime med benifits from the V.A.
When I go in the V.A hospital in Long Beach and I see guys that look like they just left high school or their not even old enough to wipe their own ass, walking around missing their legs or arms or getting pushed around in a wheelchair cause half of their lower body is missing, I ask my self who the Suck is to blame for these guys that bascially lost their limbs and bascially have givin their life for what they believe in, IS RESPONSIBLE............ Who?
The Iraqis, who?
This Sucked up war that we are fighting hasnt benifited anyone I mean anyone but the compaines that Snaq has addressed and the Bush admin.
We are in so much debt in billions and we are in a country that doesnt want or need our help.
When I seen Obama I knew he was a man that would and will look out for every Amercian, Rich or Poor.
I bust my ass everyday and pay taxes on every dam thing for my company....... You name it enviromental agency tax, employee tax, worksman comp tax, equipment tax, hazardous fee tax, property tax, fire agency tax......... MY ASS IS SO TAXED OUT that I cant even pay for crap these days.
I have to work 3 or 4 times harder to make ends meet, I not only support myself by my mother and father.
Who the Suck is going to support me if I lose something my father has worked and build well over 35 years........... WHO........... The Iraqis or Bush or Mccain.
Iraq what a freaking joke, this is the same country that we trained and supported for a decade to fight Iran with our weapons and our money. I raq never had any W.M.D that was just an excuse for us to go in that country and take it over.
$5 billion in bad paperwork and lies, Of the $10 billion in overpriced contracts or undocumented costs and B.S.
More than $2.7 billion were charged by Halliburton Co., the oil-field services firm once ran by yours truly MR DICK Cheney.
According to invetagtors and auditors more than one in six dollars they have audited in Iraq is B.S and lies.
Check out this B.S investigation of police training contracts awarded by the State Department. An audit by Bowen last month found tens of millions of dollars wasted on a DynCorp International contract to build an Olympic-size swimming pool a freakin pool for a police academy in Baghdad that has yet to be used. The pool as well as VIP trailers were ordered by Iraqi officials but never authorized by the State Department.
Skip that, Im done with all the B.S and lies.
Mccain was and is Bush and we all had enough of freaking lies and B.S for 8 years.
Im very proud of my Vote and MY ELECTED PRESIDENT.
God Bless him and I pray to God that he will be blessed in everything he does, cause to me he is a genuine and a humble man that actually cares about this society and its people.
I believe in that........... and if other dont then it is what it is............DEAL WITH IT.
I've been dealing with Bush and DICK for 8 years now, and Im tired of getting DICKED and Bush needs to get trimmed.

[amb1ent]

I only voted for Obama because I heard he wants to put a basketball court in the White House.

Well, that and because I thought he was the best candidate, and as an added bonus his election would piss off the white bread, conservative cultists, er, Christians who high-jacked our country for the past eight years. Talk about your win-win.

admit it, you just want to see kobe and obama ball 1v1 when we win this year

@Tony: i've been reading your posts for awhile and i gotta say, you're one of the very very very few vets/military guys that doesn't blindly vote republican. props

[Sedale Threatt]

Forget 1 on 1. I want to see our team at the White House in suits for their championship reception.

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This is going to be my only post on the subject.

If you use your particular religion as a code with which to live a better life and be a better person, I have absolutely no problem with that. Indeed, I support and encourage our right as Americans to practice whatever religion you wish -- especially when you keep it to yourself.

Live and let live.

But in my mind, there is a huge, huge difference between the average every-day Christian, or Muslim or Jew for that matter, and those that travel the narrower, more aggressive avenues of their particular faiths -- conservative Christianity, fundamentalist Islam, orthodox Judaism.

I will treat those people with as much scorn and opposition as I can muster, especially in an era in which religious dogma has increasingly invaded the political realm, despite the separation of church and state being one of our most cherished ideals.

If that's bigotry, so be it.

I don't have a problem with FDR, or any other president, declaring his belief in Christianity. Indeed, most of the geniuses we call the Founding Fathers were Christians.

I do have a problem with W employing Christian think tanks to scour the bible for policy with which to steer his administration, as was reported by the L.A. Times.

I do have a problem with a VP candidate declaring that the Iraq war is some holy mission endorsed and supported by God, as Palin did.

I do have a problem with prominent political leaders, like the disgraced hypocrite Ralph Reed, using their particular religious beliefs as a tool to amass power and influence.

I do have a problem with mullahs manipulating young people to do their bidding -- in many cases, blowing themselves and others up in suicide bombings -- with the promise of some fantastical afterlife.

I do have a problem with a crew of ultra-orthodox Jews savagely beating a women because she was sitting next to a man on a public bus, as was reported by the L.A. Times.

I do have a problem with any and all attempts to treat the intellectual farce that is creationism as an equal to scientific theory.

I do have a problem with the notion that fundamental traits of human morality -- such as compassion, charity, empathy, self-restraint, justice, all of which existed well before the notion of God -- are solely the product of Bronze-Age belief systems, i.e. modern religion.

It's not what these people believe. Whatever you need to do to get yourself through this thing called life.

It's what they do with those beliefs.

Hence, I have absolutely no problem calling people of that ilk cultists, and hoping they take a flying fukc off the nearest building. Again, if that's bigotry, so be it. Indeed, embrace it.

[semi-sentient]

Amen.

[TonyMontana]

Amen.

CAN I GET AN AMEN FROM ALL MY BROTHERS................

GOOD POST S.T

[DubaLakers]

...Not a mention of Rev Wright within this Obama Nation thread, that's very convenient.

[Sedale Threatt]

If it makes you happy, F him. Farrakhan and the charlatan Al Sharpton, too.

[LLcoleJ]

...Not a mention of Rev Wright within this Obama Nation thread, that's very convenient.

screw rev. wright.

but lets not forget Mccains buddy who and I quote said..

Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches

~ G. Gordon Liddy

[semi-sentient]

The reason Wright wasn't mentioned is because he's irrelevant. Both candidates had questionable associations. Obama had ties to Ayers and Wright while McCain had ties to Keating and Liddy.

At the end of the day you have to look past the whole guilt by association arguments (which are mostly nonsense) and focus on the candidates themselves -- how they conduct themselves, the decisions they make, and most importantly how they plan to address the issues that are marinating in Americans heads.

[LLcoleJ]

The reason Wright wasn't mentioned is because he's irrelevant. Both candidates had questionable associations. Obama had ties to Ayers and Wright while McCain had ties to Keating and Liddy.

At the end of the day you have to look past the whole guilt by association arguments (which are mostly nonsense) and focus on the candidates themselves -- how they conduct themselves, the decisions they make, and most importantly how they plan to address the issues that are marinating in Americans heads.

well said

[snaquille oatmeal]

I only voted for Obama because I heard he wants to put a basketball court in the White House.

Well, that and because I thought he was the best candidate, and as an added bonus his election would piss off the white bread, conservative cultists, er, Christians who high-jacked our country for the past eight years. Talk about your win-win.

admit it, you just want to see kobe and obama ball 1v1 when we win this year

@Tony: i've been reading your posts for awhile and i gotta say, you're one of the very very very few vets/military guys that doesn't blindly vote republican. props :)

I've never voted republican, but I am always open to any of their good ideas. they just haven't had one yet....well other than "Nailing Pailin" on DVD and Blue Ray.