Make an offer for Bledsoe

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Quick advertisement: 6'2" bulldog who plays both ends of the floor. Can defend your point guard. Averages 17, 5 and 5; shoots 46% from the field. Great at getting to the bucket and finishing at the rim. Inconsistent 3FG shooter - shot 36% last year, down to 25% this year. Not a premier distributor - a better fit for teams that have a playmaking SG/SF. 26 years old with three years remaining on a contract paying $13 mil per. Has had three meniscus injuries. For two of these, he opted for replacement, meaning he was out for the season. Odds are good that he would opt for removal in the event of a future meniscus injury, which would shelve him for 6 weeks. No other notable injuries at this point in his career.

Reason for trade: Dude's in his prime, floundering on a team of youngsters who are lottery-bound. If he were 21-23, we'd keep him. If our core was 24-28, we'd keep him. The timeline doesn't match up. He should be moved to a team that has a chance at contention. No need to scratch and claw our way to a .380 record.

What we need: Younger player with interior offense on long-term deal and/or significant draft assets. Not important that picks be in years 2017 or 2018, more important that they are lightly protected. Can accept bad contracts in return if the deal is right (after all, we're not signing Blake Griffin next offseason). No need for a high-upside 2/3/4 as we currently have four such players under contract.

May also include Tyson Chandler, PJ Tucker, Brandon Knight or Alex Len in the right deal. To be clear: none of these players have negative value, and we will not throw them into a deal without receiving an adequate return.

Please respond by December 15.
Thanks for your interest,

cosmofizzo

[HartfordWhalers]

May also include Tyson Chandler, PJ Tucker, Brandon Knight or Alex Len in the right deal. To be clear: none of these players have negative value, and we will not throw them into a deal without receiving an adequate return.

I feel like that sounds out of whack in regards to Chandler.

But the rest of the topic I agree with. If I'm Phoenix I'm sneakily trying to sell off both Knight and Bledsoe.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

May also include Tyson Chandler, PJ Tucker, Brandon Knight or Alex Len in the right deal. To be clear: none of these players have negative value, and we will not throw them into a deal without receiving an adequate return.

I feel like that sounds out of whack in regards to Chandler.

Currently averaging 7 and 12(!) in 28 MPG, shooting 70% from the field. He's been every bit what he was in Dallas since all-star break of last season. At $13 million per, he's a bargain relative to any center you could sign on the FA market. Has sat out games this season only due to his mother's passing. Apparently, the Suns turned down trade offers last offseason because he wanted to be part of helping this young team grow under Watson. Unlike the media, neither the FO nor the coaching staff anticipated the Suns being a bottom-dweller this season. My guess is both sides would be okay with a trade at this point, and I can't imagine there wouldn't be teams interested in his services.

[pipfan]

Rondo (with $3 million for next summer's buyout), our 2017 pick and the Sac pick (top 10 protected)? Might not be enough

[bwgood77]

I'm not quite as high on the trade Bledsoe idea as the OP, but he does make good points, particularly if he has good value.

I also would be pretty surprised if the Suns trade him and would rather keep Chandler (particularly if he has neutral or negative value) as his on court presence and mentorship is good for the young guys, likely really good for Bender and Chriss, being so raw. Kind of like a big man coach to some extent and also some sort of a calming presence. I think he has embraced it too. If he wanted out that would be a different story.

But I'd like to see what people would offer or think he is worth in trade.

[HartfordWhalers]

May also include Tyson Chandler, PJ Tucker, Brandon Knight or Alex Len in the right deal. To be clear: none of these players have negative value, and we will not throw them into a deal without receiving an adequate return.

I feel like that sounds out of whack in regards to Chandler.

Currently averaging 7 and 12(!) in 28 MPG, shooting 70% from the field. He's been every bit what he was in Dallas since all-star break of last season. At $13 million per, he's a bargain relative to any center you could sign on the FA market. Has sat out games this season only due to his mother's passing. Apparently, the Suns turned down trade offers last offseason because he wanted to be part of helping this young team grow under Watson. Unlike the media, neither the FO nor the coaching staff anticipated the Suns being a bottom-dweller this season. My guess is both sides would be okay with a trade at this point, and I can't imagine there wouldn't be teams interested in his services.

If he was expiring, I'm sure you could get a 2nd rounder for him. But the long term lock in required for a player at his age? I don't see a single team doing an expiring for him. Probably best to leave this aside as a disagreement and get to Bledsoe offers, because those should be more interesting than the latest debate on Chandler's contract.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I feel like that sounds out of whack in regards to Chandler.

Currently averaging 7 and 12(!) in 28 MPG, shooting 70% from the field. He's been every bit what he was in Dallas since all-star break of last season. At $13 million per, he's a bargain relative to any center you could sign on the FA market. Has sat out games this season only due to his mother's passing. Apparently, the Suns turned down trade offers last offseason because he wanted to be part of helping this young team grow under Watson. Unlike the media, neither the FO nor the coaching staff anticipated the Suns being a bottom-dweller this season. My guess is both sides would be okay with a trade at this point, and I can't imagine there wouldn't be teams interested in his services.

If he was expiring, I'm sure you could get a 2nd rounder for him. But the long term lock in required for a player at his age? I don't see a single team doing an expiring for him. Probably best to leave this aside as a disagreement and get to Bledsoe offers, because those should be more interesting than the latest debate on Chandler's contract.

Fair enough. A team like Boston, for instance, could use his services, but wouldn't want anything to do with the contract, given their desire to preserve cap space. Likewise for Golden State. A contending team with a need for interior defense and no need for the cap space might be willing to give up positive value, however. As mentioned, we don't have an acute need for cap space, given our situation.

[HartfordWhalers]

Currently averaging 7 and 12(!) in 28 MPG, shooting 70% from the field. He's been every bit what he was in Dallas since all-star break of last season. At $13 million per, he's a bargain relative to any center you could sign on the FA market. Has sat out games this season only due to his mother's passing. Apparently, the Suns turned down trade offers last offseason because he wanted to be part of helping this young team grow under Watson. Unlike the media, neither the FO nor the coaching staff anticipated the Suns being a bottom-dweller this season. My guess is both sides would be okay with a trade at this point, and I can't imagine there wouldn't be teams interested in his services.

If he was expiring, I'm sure you could get a 2nd rounder for him. But the long term lock in required for a player at his age? I don't see a single team doing an expiring for him. Probably best to leave this aside as a disagreement and get to Bledsoe offers, because those should be more interesting than the latest debate on Chandler's contract.

Fair enough. A team like Boston, for instance, could use his services, but wouldn't want anything to do with the contract, given their desire to preserve cap space. Likewise for Golden State. A contending team with a need for interior defense and no need for the cap space might be willing to give up positive value, however. As mentioned, we don't have an acute need for cap space, given our situation.

Okay, I suck at following my own advice.

Besides the 14th millionth version of Chandler to Charlotte for the Lamb and Hawes (Hawes being negative value, Lamb being um, up to you), I also kind of like Chandler for Pekovic as a trade. Caveat that it is assuming that Pek's ankles weren't excluded from his insurance coverage. But if so, Minn gets a productive backup center and Phoenix shortens his deal and uses a contract where they get insurance money to double dip their way to the salary floor saving millions. Maybe throw in Shabazz as sweetener, because otherwise it is a deal that doesn't help until the 2019 season (2018 free agency) besides enriching the owner a bunch... but assuming insurance is indeed covering Pekovic it would enrich Sarver and clear the 2018 free agency money.

[HartfordWhalers]

Back to Bledsoe, what about some version of a 3 teamer:

Bledsoe to Atlanta,
Milsap to 3rd team
3rd tam assets to Phx?
(With value fixings)


Toronto would be my choice for the third team, but Atlanta gets a younger player that is locked up long term and can pair next to Schroeder, Phoenix gets some picks/youth, and Toronto gets a pf.

[jayjaysee]

I'd like Sac and SA to target him. But I can't propose a Tony Parker based trade. And SAC based deals would involve either Rudy or Collison, which would require a third team as those two would be valueless to Phoenix..

I'd like him on Houston as well, but I'd want him taking EJ's spot (three guard rotation with Harden/Bev) but I can't see Houston trading Gordon so that doesn't work as well at the cost of Bev.. But if it does something with Bev going to Philly, and Hou+Philly value going to Phoenix? Houston doesn't have any huge value youth pieces (outside CC) but they can throw quarters.. Which Phx/fans won't like.

To try and make a suggestion since I wasted too much time not to.. I'll make it complicated and ugly;

Sac- Tolliver, WCS, Richardson, Casspi, rights to 2017 first
Sac - Bledsoe, Miro
Chicago - Miro, Kings first
Chicago - WCS, Casspi
Phx - Bledsoe
Phx - Tolliver, Richardson, 2017 Kings first

(yes it's 4 for 2, Chi/Phx can decide to include Zipser+Williams -both considered semi-valuable?- or better some cash can be added to waive Hunter/Jones)
An unprotected first (pick swap rights from Philly make it kinda top 1 protected? but that isn't happening) and a (depending who you ask) okay/good prospect?

Could use Papa instead of Richardson, or Temple instead of Tolliver.. But I thought that version was best for everyone if Sac wants to push in for Cousins. Originally had it with Ben+Papa for Jenkins+Tucker added in but I know no one believes in Ben and no one knows Papa so it seemed like stealing hypothetical value from the Kings.. But to me the Kings needed to add that value..

Chicago part feels weird to me. Cause I love Niko. So this feels really bad. But I've seen it suggested, so I try to think it's close.

I imagine only teams interested in contending would make a solid offer

I think HW's point is no one is making a solid offer for Chandler. Not that it is a burden for yall to keep him. Everyone understand Phoenix is in a great spot financially and long term in general. But that doesn't change the fact that there is no market for Tyson unless you are taking back a similar contract. At which point you wouldn't like the return because of that.. The conversations used to go "Asik+first for Tyson" "need a first for taking on Asik" "money is even" and circles.

So you keeping one of your vet leaders makes sense, but him not having big trade value also makes sense.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If he was expiring, I'm sure you could get a 2nd rounder for him. But the long term lock in required for a player at his age? I don't see a single team doing an expiring for him. Probably best to leave this aside as a disagreement and get to Bledsoe offers, because those should be more interesting than the latest debate on Chandler's contract.

Fair enough. A team like Boston, for instance, could use his services, but wouldn't want anything to do with the contract, given their desire to preserve cap space. Likewise for Golden State. A contending team with a need for interior defense and no need for the cap space might be willing to give up positive value, however. As mentioned, we don't have an acute need for cap space, given our situation.

Okay, I suck at following my own advice.

Besides the 14th millionth version of Chandler to Charlotte for the Lamb and Hawes (Hawes being negative value, Lamb being um, up to you), I also kind of like Chandler for Pekovic as a trade. Caveat that it is assuming that Pek's ankles weren't excluded from his insurance coverage. But if so, Minn gets a productive backup center and Phoenix shortens his deal and uses a contract where they get insurance money to double dip their way to the salary floor saving millions. Maybe throw in Shabazz as sweetener, because otherwise it is a deal that doesn't help until the 2019 season (2018 free agency) besides enriching the owner a bunch... but assuming insurance is indeed covering Pekovic it would enrich Sarver and clear the 2018 free agency money.

That's a no go. This is primarily a discussion about Bledsoe, and Chandler could be included in a deal if it made sense. I imagine only teams interested in contending would make a solid offer; otherwise, he's no burden to us. I highly doubt we'd deal him to a non-contender, given the positive relationship between Tyson and the front office. Keeping him allows us to move Len or let Len go if necessary, as they're essentially about the same in terms of productivity at this point in their careers. Teams interested in Chandler may also be interested in Len as an alternative. If Chandler does not request a trade to a contender, we won't deal him. As stated, he's not of negative value - at least not to us.

[jayu70]

Back to Bledsoe, what about some version of a 3 teamer:

Bledsoe to Atlanta,
Milsap to 3rd team
3rd tam assets to Phx?
(With value fixings)


Toronto would be my choice for the third team, but Atlanta gets a younger player that is locked up long term and can pair next to Schroeder, Phoenix gets some picks/youth, and Toronto gets a pf.

This makes no sense for Atlanta. They just gave Dennis an extension. Bledsoe is another PG. Who plays PF for Atlanta?

[HartfordWhalers]

Back to Bledsoe, what about some version of a 3 teamer:

Bledsoe to Atlanta,
Milsap to 3rd team
3rd tam assets to Phx?
(With value fixings)


Toronto would be my choice for the third team, but Atlanta gets a younger player that is locked up long term and can pair next to Schroeder, Phoenix gets some picks/youth, and Toronto gets a pf.

This makes no sense for Atlanta. They just gave Dennis an extension. Bledsoe is another PG. Who plays PF for Atlanta?

Bledsoe should be a sg imo. As for who plays pf, that question is still there in a year as is. I don't see maxing out Milsap as logical for Atlanta as is.

[jayu70]

Back to Bledsoe, what about some version of a 3 teamer:

Bledsoe to Atlanta,
Milsap to 3rd team
3rd tam assets to Phx?
(With value fixings)


Toronto would be my choice for the third team, but Atlanta gets a younger player that is locked up long term and can pair next to Schroeder, Phoenix gets some picks/youth, and Toronto gets a pf.

This makes no sense for Atlanta. They just gave Dennis an extension. Bledsoe is another PG. Who plays PF for Atlanta?

Bledsoe should be a sg. As for who plays pf, that question is still there in a year as is. I don't see maxing out Milsap as logical for Atlanta as is.

So why would Atlanta take on Bledsoe's money when they'll need capspace to sign another free agent PF if Millsap is not brought back.
I think moving forward Bazemore needs to be the starting SG (Kyle off the bench).

[HartfordWhalers]

So why would Atlanta take on Bledsoe's money when they'll need capspace to sign another free agent PF if Millsap is not brought back.

Because he is worth it?

I think moving forward Bazemore needs to be the starting SG (Kyle off the bench).

Maybe, but I wouldn't be opposed to having Bledsoe and being able to have the three of them nail down all the guard minutes and if you need all of them on the court, Bazemore can slide to sf.

But then who plays pf in a year?

I would be looking at the draft most likely, although there are always MLE bargains that could be hit or miss. Either way, if the question is really would you rather have Bledsoe or cap space next year as Atlanta, I think the question is off the mark already in thinking that it is a question.

[HartfordWhalers]

This thread reminds me why the trade forum can be tough.

Simultaneously Tyson Chandler is worth his contract and Bledsoe is not worth taking the money on for all in the same thread.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Rubio and Dieng for Bledsoe and Tyson.

[jayu70]

So why would Atlanta take on Bledsoe's money when they'll need capspace to sign another free agent PF if Millsap is not brought back.

Because he is worth it?

I think moving forward Bazemore needs to be the starting SG (Kyle off the bench).

Maybe, but I wouldn't be opposed to having Bledsoe and being able to have the three of them nail down all the guard minutes and if you need all of them on the court, Bazemore can slide to sf.

But then who plays pf in a year?

I would be looking at the draft most likely, although there are always MLE bargains that could be hit or miss. Either way, if the question is really would you rather have Bledsoe or cap space next year as Atlanta, I think the question is off the mark already in thinking that it is a question.

Then the Hawks should have just kept Teague. That's a really small backcourt with Dennis and Bledsoe and Atlanta tried at times last season to run the 2PG with Dennis and Teague. Tim Hardaway Jr is also progressing this season so Bledsoe would be low priority at SG.

[sportscrazy]

I'm going to find a version of Texas Chuck's Heat-Knicks Dragic to NY deal that every one likes... this seems like a good one to try instead...

Milwaukee Bucks get:
Traded Player Exception
2017 Chicago Bulls Second Round Draft Pick
2017 Houston Rockets Second Round Draft Pick

New York Knicks get:
Eric Bledsoe
Greg Monroe

Phoenix Suns get:
Derrick Rose
Kyle O'Quinn
Conditional 2018 First Round Draft Pick (2018: Top 10 Protected; 2019: Top 5 Protected; 2020: Unprotected)

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Rundown of proposals so far:

I'd like Sac and SA to target him. But I can't propose a Tony Parker based trade. And SAC based deals would involve either Rudy or Collison, which would require a third team as those two would be valueless to Phoenix..

I'd like him on Houston as well, but I'd want him taking EJ's spot (three guard rotation with Harden/Bev) but I can't see Houston trading Gordon so that doesn't work as well at the cost of Bev.. But if it does something with Bev going to Philly, and Hou+Philly value going to Phoenix? Houston doesn't have any huge value youth pieces (outside CC) but they can throw quarters.. Which Phx/fans won't like.

To try and make a suggestion since I wasted too much time not to.. I'll make it complicated and ugly;

Sac- Tolliver, WCS, Richardson, Casspi, rights to 2017 first
Sac - Bledsoe, Miro
Chicago - Miro, Kings first
Chicago - WCS, Casspi
Phx - Bledsoe
Phx - Tolliver, Richardson, 2017 Kings first

Not bad. Extra points for creativity. As a Suns fan, I'd consider it. Houston is also a good fit from my perspective, though he's not really a bomber, as Il Baffi no doubt prefers. Also a pretty good landing spot for Chandler. I just don't see HOU having assets we would take in return.

Rondo (with $3 million for next summer's buyout), our 2017 pick and the Sac pick (top 10 protected)? Might not be enough

That might net you Knight, but not Bled.

Rubio and Dieng for Bledsoe and Tyson.

Not bad value, honestly.

I'm going to find a version of Texas Chuck's Heat-Knicks Dragic to NY deal that every one likes... this seems like a good one to try instead...

Milwaukee Bucks get:
Traded Player Exception
2017 Chicago Bulls Second Round Draft Pick
2017 Houston Rockets Second Round Draft Pick

New York Knicks get:
Eric Bledsoe
Greg Monroe

Phoenix Suns get:
Derrick Rose
Kyle O'Quinn
Conditional 2018 First Round Draft Pick (2018: Top 10 Protected; 2019: Top 5 Protected; 2020: Unprotected)

I can't find the barf emoji...