SAC - UTA (Markkanen for Sabonis)

[basketballwacko2]

And in the first season Sabonis was a bit player, and in the next 2 he was a bench player. For the seasons where his role was large, or his prime seasons, his teams won 45, 34, 25, 48, 46, and 40 games. You can't build a conteder with Sabonis as a core piece.

And who were the best players Sabonis played with on all those teams? Are you saying if he’s starting with SGA and Chet they’re not contenders anymore?

That's the thing; he often makes good players worse, because he stuffs up the scheme. That's why contenders don't want him, much like how the Thunder got better after moving Giddey. Giddey put up 'numbers' on the Bulls, but they were almost as empty as Sabonis's stats.

Sabonis is a 4 who has to play 5, and can't shoot 3s or play D. That's not a skillset you want starting on a contender. For all that Lauri has gotten overrated, his skillset would be much more useful on teams like OKC.

Sabonis shot 41.7% from 3 last year on 2.2 shots per game. Not a lot of shots but he's improving. Plus he's 19.1 points 6 assts, and 14 rebounds per night. As was said who was the best player with him on any of the teams he's been on? He needs to be on a team with some real talent and I don't mean a Zach LaVine.

[One_and_Done]

That 2023 Kings team was about average to slightly above average because that’s roughly the ceiling of a team when your two best players are Fox and Sabonis. If you replaced Fox with a legitimate MVP-caliber or 1st-team All-NBA guy like SGA, that team would instantly be a contender. Saying Sabonis caps your team’s ceiling is ridiculous - what’s more accurate is that Sabonis as your best player caps your ceiling.

Sabonis next to SGA is worse for SGA than just starting Chet and Hartenstein next to him, and subbing in Caruso/Cason for heavy minutes. Sabonis doesn't fit at all next to him. You need role players that fit around stars, not fake stars whose style of play will distort your scheme.

How did you come to the conclusion that Sabonis doesn’t fit with SGA?

Because it's pick and pop, not pick and brick.

I hear defense is handy too. OKC. Isn't going to open up a hole in their defensive shield just because Sabonis is a fake all-star. He's a bench player on OKC.

[One_and_Done]

And who were the best players Sabonis played with on all those teams? Are you saying if he’s starting with SGA and Chet they’re not contenders anymore?

That's the thing; he often makes good players worse, because he stuffs up the scheme. That's why contenders don't want him, much like how the Thunder got better after moving Giddey. Giddey put up 'numbers' on the Bulls, but they were almost as empty as Sabonis's stats.

Sabonis is a 4 who has to play 5, and can't shoot 3s or play D. That's not a skillset you want starting on a contender. For all that Lauri has gotten overrated, his skillset would be much more useful on teams like OKC.

Sabonis shot 41.7% from 3 last year on 2.2 shots per game. Not a lot of shots but he's improving. Plus he's 19.1 points 6 assts, and 14 rebounds per night. As was said who was the best player with him on any of the teams he's been on? He needs to be on a team with some real talent and I don't mean a Zach LaVine.

When he's wide open and unguarded. Nobody respects him as a 3pt shooter, and he rarely takes them for a reason.

[sackings916]

Sabonis next to SGA is worse for SGA than just starting Chet and Hartenstein next to him, and subbing in Caruso/Cason for heavy minutes. Sabonis doesn't fit at all next to him. You need role players that fit around stars, not fake stars whose style of play will distort your scheme.

How did you come to the conclusion that Sabonis doesn’t fit with SGA?

Because it's pick and pop, not pick and brick.

I hear defense is handy too. OKC. Isn't going to open up a hole in their defensive shield just because Sabonis is a fake all-star. He's a bench player on OKC.

Once again no evidence of anything. Do you have anything to support your claims? I think you’re trolling at this point.

[One_and_Done]

How did you come to the conclusion that Sabonis doesn’t fit with SGA?

Because it's pick and pop, not pick and brick.

I hear defense is handy too. OKC. Isn't going to open up a hole in their defensive shield just because Sabonis is a fake all-star. He's a bench player on OKC.

Once again no evidence of anything. Do you have anything to support your claims? I think you’re trolling at this point.

It's called logic. The Thunder just shipped out Giddey because they didn't need a defective defensive player in their starting 5. Why is Sabonis going to be any different?

[sackings916]

Because it's pick and pop, not pick and brick.

I hear defense is handy too. OKC. Isn't going to open up a hole in their defensive shield just because Sabonis is a fake all-star. He's a bench player on OKC.

Once again no evidence of anything. Do you have anything to support your claims? I think you’re trolling at this point.

It's called logic. The Thunder just shipped out Giddey because they didn't need a defective defensive player in their starting 5. Why is Sabonis going to be any different?

Sabonis would be a massive upgrade to OKCs offense as probably the best passing big behind Jokic, he’d bring elite rebounding, physicality and a post presence they currently don’t have. Giddey is nowhere near the player Sabonis is on top of the fact that one is a guard and one is a big, so I’m not getting the comparison between the 2.

[One_and_Done]

Once again no evidence of anything. Do you have anything to support your claims? I think you’re trolling at this point.

It's called logic. The Thunder just shipped out Giddey because they didn't need a defective defensive player in their starting 5. Why is Sabonis going to be any different?

Sabonis would be a massive upgrade to OKCs offense as probably the best passing big behind Jokic, he’d bring elite rebounding, physicality and a post presence they currently don’t have. Giddey is nowhere near the player Sabonis is on top of the fact that one is a guard and one is a big, so I’m not getting the comparison between the 2.

Sabonis would be a turnstile on D, and provides no 3pt spacing. I don't see him starting for them at all.

[sackings916]

It's called logic. The Thunder just shipped out Giddey because they didn't need a defective defensive player in their starting 5. Why is Sabonis going to be any different?

Sabonis would be a massive upgrade to OKCs offense as probably the best passing big behind Jokic, he’d bring elite rebounding, physicality and a post presence they currently don’t have. Giddey is nowhere near the player Sabonis is on top of the fact that one is a guard and one is a big, so I’m not getting the comparison between the 2.

Sabonis would be a turnstile on D, and provides no 3pt spacing. I don't see him starting for them at all.

What metric or data supports that Sabonis is this huge negative on defense?

You say he can’t shoot but he shot close to 42% from 3 on over 2 attempts last year.

[the_process]

Now that Sacto has locked in Keegan, this trade makes even more sense.

BOS gets Sexton
CHA gets Sabonis
SAC gets Kessler and Markkanen
UTA gets Simons, Green, Connaughton, 26 SAC 1st top 10 protected, 27 DAL 1st top 2 protected, 27 MIA 1st lotto protected, and 28 CHA 1st top 1 protected

Then the Kings should be looking to move off Monk.

[basketballwacko2]

That's the thing; he often makes good players worse, because he stuffs up the scheme. That's why contenders don't want him, much like how the Thunder got better after moving Giddey. Giddey put up 'numbers' on the Bulls, but they were almost as empty as Sabonis's stats.

Sabonis is a 4 who has to play 5, and can't shoot 3s or play D. That's not a skillset you want starting on a contender. For all that Lauri has gotten overrated, his skillset would be much more useful on teams like OKC.

Sabonis shot 41.7% from 3 last year on 2.2 shots per game. Not a lot of shots but he's improving. Plus he's 19.1 points 6 assts, and 14 rebounds per night. As was said who was the best player with him on any of the teams he's been on? He needs to be on a team with some real talent and I don't mean a Zach LaVine.

When he's wide open and unguarded. Nobody respects him as a 3pt shooter, and he rarely takes them for a reason.

If he hits 41% of his shots they'll start guarding him. Players do improve, I remember when Brook Lopez shot no 3's and is now considered a good 3pt shooter. He's never hit more than 37.4% and essentially no 3pters before 2016-17.

[knicksfan974]

You would think that if Utah would decide to move on from Markkanen, they would prefer to receive a pretty much clean slate with expirings and valuable draft picks? Don't know if there any competitive teams looking to add a quality big wing who can score in multiple ways, who could offer Utah such package?

[tcheco]

You would think that if Utah would decide to move on from Markkanen, they would prefer to receive a pretty much clean slate with expirings and valuable draft picks? Don't know if there any competitive teams looking to add a quality big wing who can score in multiple ways, who could offer Utah such package?

I dont think they will be going for a clean slate honestly. I could see picks and better fit of a player.
The issue is the contract that is simply too big, I think they will be keeping Lauri since cap is not an issue for them for a while.

If Spurs want him though, for Fox could make sense, I would like to see Lauri with Wemby, but not sure on value