DDV for Ivey

babyjax13 · Post #1 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 4:36 pm

MIN trades: Donte DiVencenzo
DET trades: Jaden Ivey

Minnesota gets a guard who can get into the paint and help get them into their offensive sets. He is entering RFA so - I think - will be more expensive than DDV. He is also currently injured.

Detroit gets a guard who I think is a nice fit with Cade. He offers some secondary ball handling and shooting.

Post #2 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 4:39 pm

Isn't Ivey injured?

babyjax13 · Post #3 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 4:40 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Isn't Ivey injured?

Yes, he will be back in four weeks. The trade could obviously wait until then, or be a deadline deal.

Post #4 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 4:44 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Isn't Ivey injured?

Yes, he will be back in four weeks. The trade could obviously wait until then, or be a deadline deal.

Yeah, I think Ivey has to get back on the floor and show something for the Wolves to consider this, and if he does, I'm not sure how interested the Pistons would be.

Billl · Post #5 » by **Billl** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 5:08 pm

Can't imagine the pistons are willing to punt on upside to grab a vet role player. Besides, I think Beasley is just waiting in the wings for the NBA to finish their investigation.

QMemphis · Post #6 » by **QMemphis** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 7:35 pm

Detroit should target a 3&D guard I agree there. But Ivey going to Minny is not a great situation for him or them. Also best case scenario Ivey thrives how will Minny be able to retain him as a RFA given their current salary constraints. Not to mention that effectively kills Dillingham development.

Post #7 » by **oldncreaky** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 7:51 pm

QMemphis wrote:Detroit should target a 3&D guard I agree there. But Ivey going to Minny is not a great situation for him or them. Also best case scenario Ivey thrives how will Minny be able to retain him as a RFA given their current salary constraints. Not to mention that effectively kills Dillingham development.

Disagree that DET should target a 3&D guard -- our lack of a second guard to run the team whenever Cade sits is a glaring issue.

As for the OP, I see Ivey as having a lower floor than DDV, but a higher ceiling. I don't think DET should give up Ivey's upside because players of DDV's type/level are available in most off-seasons for the NTMLE.

Post #8 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 8:40 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Isn't Ivey injured?

Yes, he will be back in four weeks. The trade could obviously wait until then, or be a deadline deal.

He’ll be re-evaluated in 4 weeks from the surgery. No guarantee yet when he returns, ramps up to game pace, etc.

tmorgan · Post #9 » by **tmorgan** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:39 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Isn't Ivey injured?

Yes, he will be back in four weeks. The trade could obviously wait until then, or be a deadline deal.

He’ll be re-evaluated in 4 weeks from the surgery. No guarantee yet when he returns, ramps up to game pace, etc.

Given all the crap he’s been through, I have severe doubt we’ll see him until at least after the holidays.

I really like DDV and don’t love Ivey, but this doesn’t make much sense for Detroit. We have plenty of other guys to play off-ball guard already. Ivey, Duncan Robinson, LeVert, Sasser, Holland, Lanier and maybe Beasley down the line. Of all those guys, only LeVert and Ivey have real experience as a primary ball handler, and neither is really good at it.

We need this year’s version of Schroder, and waiting until the TDL to do it again would be dumb. That and one more competent big are the two needs. Unlike a lot of teams, we’re set at the 2, 3 and small 4. Lots of quality wing depth.

QMemphis · Post #10 » by **QMemphis** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:49 am

oldncreaky wrote:
QMemphis wrote:Detroit should target a 3&D guard I agree there. But Ivey going to Minny is not a great situation for him or them. Also best case scenario Ivey thrives how will Minny be able to retain him as a RFA given their current salary constraints. Not to mention that effectively kills Dillingham development.

Disagree that DET should target a 3&D guard -- our lack of a second guard to run the team whenever Cade sits is a glaring issue.

As for the OP, I see Ivey as having a lower floor than DDV, but a higher ceiling. I don't think DET should give up Ivey's upside because players of DDV's type/level are available in most off-seasons for the NTMLE.

Ivey unless he improves and stays healthy may make more sense as a 6th man to be the bench offensive engine. Reacquire Grimes and trade for Lauri.

shrink · Post #11 » by **shrink** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:06 pm

The first game against POR’s full court defense quickly demonstrated that the Wolves need a PG.

Bones Hyland played significant minutes in crunch time!

Skybox · Post #12 » by **Skybox** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:30 pm

I'm a big fan of DDV...he could make any good team better. But Ivey's upside is much higher - DET won't punt this soon.

Post #13 » by **gswhoops** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 6:38 pm

shrink wrote:The first game against POR’s full court defense quickly demonstrated that the Wolves need a PG.

Bones Hyland played significant minutes in crunch time!

Semi-aside, but what's the deal with Dillingham?

ReggiesKnicks · Post #14 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 7:19 pm

gswhoops wrote:
shrink wrote:The first game against POR’s full court defense quickly demonstrated that the Wolves need a PG.

Bones Hyland played significant minutes in crunch time!

Semi-aside, but what's the deal with Dillingham?

I assume Bones Hyland and Dillingham have similar skill sets and provide similar attributes, but Bones is simply better at this point in time. I haven't watched either extensively, but Dillingham did remind me of Bones when he entered the NBA.

Post #15 » by **gswhoops** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 7:44 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
shrink wrote:The first game against POR’s full court defense quickly demonstrated that the Wolves need a PG.

Bones Hyland played significant minutes in crunch time!

Semi-aside, but what's the deal with Dillingham?

I assume Bones Hyland and Dillingham have similar skill sets and provide similar attributes, but Bones is simply better at this point in time. I haven't watched either extensively, but Dillingham did remind me of Bones when he entered the NBA.

If he’s not better than Bones he’s got a steep climb to live up to being a top 10 pick…

ReggiesKnicks · Post #16 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 8:00 pm

gswhoops wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Semi-aside, but what's the deal with Dillingham?

I assume Bones Hyland and Dillingham have similar skill sets and provide similar attributes, but Bones is simply better at this point in time. I haven't watched either extensively, but Dillingham did remind me of Bones when he entered the NBA.

If he’s not better than Bones he’s got a steep climb to live up to being a top 10 pick…

Look at the draft, it's going to be an all-time bad one.

Godaddycurse · Post #17 » by **Godaddycurse** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 8:07 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
I assume Bones Hyland and Dillingham have similar skill sets and provide similar attributes, but Bones is simply better at this point in time. I haven't watched either extensively, but Dillingham did remind me of Bones when he entered the NBA.

If he’s not better than Bones he’s got a steep climb to live up to being a top 10 pick…

Look at the draft, it's going to be an all-time bad one.

i feel less bad about Raptors trading that pick away for Poeltl now

shangrila · Post #18 » by **shangrila** » Sat Oct 25, 2025 1:25 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
shrink wrote:The first game against POR’s full court defense quickly demonstrated that the Wolves need a PG.

Bones Hyland played significant minutes in crunch time!

Semi-aside, but what's the deal with Dillingham?

I assume Bones Hyland and Dillingham have similar skill sets and provide similar attributes, but Bones is simply better at this point in time. I haven't watched either extensively, but Dillingham did remind me of Bones when he entered the NBA.

According to our coach it was a size thing. Bones was bigger so could handle the physicality better.

Whether or not you believe that though is up to you

shangrila · Post #19 » by **shangrila** » Sat Oct 25, 2025 1:26 am

babyjax13 wrote:MIN trades: Donte DiVencenzo
DET trades: Jaden Ivey

Minnesota gets a guard who can get into the paint and help get them into their offensive sets. He is entering RFA so - I think - will be more expensive than DDV. He is also currently injured.

Detroit gets a guard who I think is a nice fit with Cade. He offers some secondary ball handling and shooting.

Minnesota should do it, assuming the medicals are fine. I don't see Detroit doing it.

Maybe, and even here it would be a stretch, if they'd retained Shroeder they could justify doing a move like this. But not now.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #20 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Sat Oct 25, 2025 2:07 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
gswhoops wrote:If he’s not better than Bones he’s got a steep climb to live up to being a top 10 pick…

Look at the draft, it's going to be an all-time bad one.

i feel less bad about Raptors trading that pick away for Poeltl now

Yeah, but I would still prefer Edey or Clingan and the flexibility over Poeltl, but I understand that wasn't a guarantee.