Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand

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Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#1 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:00 pm

Pau Gasol, Luke Walton, and Sasha Vujacic

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Andre Iguodala and Elton Brand

Good for Lakers because they FINALLY get a dynamic "triangle" PG in Iguodala. Iguodala makes them an extremely tall and dominiant defensive team. Luke Walton is banished and Andrew Bynum is allowed to sprout his wings.

Bad for Lakers because Brand is REALLY overpaid for the next four years or so and he's fading fast. Also, Gasol is a good fit in the triangle and Iguodala struggles from deep.

Good for Sixers because they rid themselves of Brand's AWFUL contract. Gasol is a good place to start in a rebuilding process w/ Lou Williams, Holiday, and this year's lotto pick

Bad for Sixers because Gasol is overpaid and Luke Walton will be on the squad for three more years.

Lakers:

Iguodala - Mike Miller - Matt Bouldin
Bryant - Brown - Coby Karl
Bynum - Brand - Mbenga
Odom - Powell
Artest - Damien Wilkins

Sixers:

Holiday - Vujacic
Williams - Meeks - Green
Dalembert - Smith
Gasol - Speights
Young - Walton - Kapono

Sixers proceed to draft the best player available with the #9 pick this summer .. preferably a SG, G/F, C, or PF.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#2 » by InBoobieWeTrust » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:01 pm

L.A. would be foolish to do this.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#3 » by Guy986 » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:03 pm

Nobody is touching Brand.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#4 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:10 pm

Why?

Gasol is replaceable with Bynum.

Iguodala makes them dominant playing PG next to his idol.

If Brand is completely done then you could be right but if he can play backup center for 20-25 minutes per game then it's not as lopsided as you might think.

As it stands, Bynum and Gasol (both overpaid) will NEVER mesh unless they get to play with a feed the post PG (ala Kidd). Kobe will not allow this team to take advantage of it's' biggest strength ... size.

It's not a coincidence that Bynum dominates when Gasol is injured and Gasol dominates when Bynum is injured. The Lakers need balance. Let Kobe become a post up SF on offense with Bynum down low and get a guy in there who can get them (Kobe and Bynum) the ball.

Iguodala is a PERFECT lead guard for the triangle ... the closest thing to Pippen in the league right now besides LBJ.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#5 » by Guy986 » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:19 pm

Iguodala and Brand couldn't even get you Tracy Mcgrady. Forget about Pau Gasol.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#6 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:24 pm

Take out Brand and put in Dalmbert if that makes it more balanced.

However, I think throwing in Brand is fair considering Phila takes on Walton and Gasol's contracts.

Maybe Phila throws in a few second round picks to boot.
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Post#7 » by LApwnd » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:33 pm

to much money taken in by Lakers, even with Daly expiring in 2011. I honestly think we'll trade Bynum before we trade Pau.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#8 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:40 pm

Given the choice of trading Gasol or Bynum, I trade whoever can net me a dynamic PG and rid the team of Luke Walton.

Either one gone is fine for me if the Lakers get a really good lead guard and give Walton his papers.

LBJ, Iguodala, Stephen Curry, OJ Mayo, Deron Williams, Paul, Brandon Roy, or maybe even James Harden all qualify as dynamic lead guards. If it means losing Gasol (and Walton) to get one of these guys, so be it.

I think Gasol gets the Lakers more than Bynum and Bynum has a better contract. So I'd be perfectly fine with losing Gasol and keeping Bynum.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#9 » by Guy986 » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:42 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:Given the choice of trading Gasol or Bynum, I trade whoever can net me a dynamic PG and rid the team of Luke Walton.

Either one gone is fine for me if the Lakers get a really good lead guard and give Walton his papers.

Iguodala, Stephen Curry, OJ Mayo, Deron Williams, Paul, Brandon Roy, or maybe even James Harden all qualify as dynamic lead guards. If it means losing Gasol (and Walton) to get one of these guys, so be it.

I think Gasol gets the Lakers more than Bynum and Bynum has a better contract. So I'd be perfectly fine with losing Gasol and keeping Bynum.


Gasol is a top 20 player in the NBA. Possibly top 15. GTFO with that man.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#10 » by LApwnd » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:42 pm

^^^I wouldn't, team is build to win NOW, Bynum for all we know can be 20/10 type player and still not have a impact on the game outcome, i.e. Al Jefferson. Bynum is almost like a black hole on offense, soon as he goes into his post move, regardless of getting double/tripled team he doesn't look to pass even if it means taking a bad/contested shot.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#11 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:47 pm

He (Bynum), IMO, has played very, very well when Gasol has ben in street clothes. He's not as good as Gasol right now, but he is a lot closer than we give him credit for.

If Gasol was gone, Bynum would improve across the board in his passing, rebounding, team defense, post defense, offense, shot blocking, and overall decision making.

Iguodala, Kobe, Bynum, Odom, and Artest is a defensive team for the ages.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#12 » by LApwnd » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:51 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:He (Bynum), IMO, has played very, very well when Gasol has ben in street clothes. He's not as good as Gasol right now, but he is a lot closer than we give him credit for.

If Gasol was gone, Bynum would improve across the board in his passing, rebounding, team defense, post defense, offense, shot blocking, and overall decision making.

Iguodala, Kobe, Bynum, Odom, and Artest is a defensive team for the ages.


Bynum sucks on D, no one driving the lane is even scared of him even though he a legitc 7 footer and has long arms. Everyone just jumps into him and he flys away or gives up a 3 point play. Pau looks as slow as Bynum on defending penetrators but I trust him to get a block more often then Bynum does. Also dont want a player who needs to SCORE in order to play Defense/Reb, Pau knows how to play the game even without being effective offensively.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#13 » by daddyfivestar » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:56 pm

driving down the value - take it to the back pages :)
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#14 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:59 pm

Guy986 wrote:Gasol is a top 20 player in the NBA. Possibly top 15. GTFO with that man.

Top 15-20 players don't get traded?

Gasol is "fool's gold".

Sell high and get the most you can to fill a gaping hole in your roster.

You can talk for days about how good of a fit Gasol is and has been and I'll explain to you how good of a fit Iguodala can and will be.

Imagine the Lakers having the ability to switch on all pick and rolls in the same manner in which the the 72 win Chicago team did.

Granted, Gasol made this team a champion. Iguodala makes this team ABSOLUTELY dominant.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#15 » by LApwnd » Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:02 am

I hate Luke as much as the next guy but I dont hate him enough to want to take back Brand and Iggy is NOT a PG, not even in the triangle, he'll be even less effective.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#16 » by ALL HAIL » Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:03 am

daddyfivestar wrote:driving down the value - take it to the back pages :)

I'm really not that important dude but I feel you ...

Pau Gasol is an absolute God ... best big man in the game ... the closest thing to Kevin McHale we have seen in many years. He makes any team a legit championship contender and is tough as nails. :wink:
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#17 » by ALL HAIL » Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:08 am

LApwnd wrote:I hate Luke as much as the next guy but I dont hate him enough to want to take back Brand and Iggy is NOT a PG, not even in the triangle, he'll be even less effective.

Smokin hot rocks!

Iggy is as much a PG as Pippen and/or Ron Harper and Derek Fisher.

You obviously don't know his game. Watch some tape, read a scouting report, or ask a friend.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#18 » by LApwnd » Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:19 am

ALL HAIL wrote:
LApwnd wrote:I hate Luke as much as the next guy but I dont hate him enough to want to take back Brand and Iggy is NOT a PG, not even in the triangle, he'll be even less effective.

Smokin hot rocks!

Iggy is as much a PG as Pippen and/or Ron Harper and Derek Fisher.

You obviously don't know his game. Watch some tape, read a scouting report, or ask a friend.


you the one smoking buddy, NO BODY in their right mind is gona take Brand/Iggy off off philly at the same time #1, Iggy ISN"T PG, he faciliates at times because Phi offense calls for it, Tri he'll be expected to be somewhat of a spot up shooter and he's far from being consistent when it comments that dept. dont bother using his fg% unless you give me his perimter % because Iggy gets alot of layups and dunks as well.
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#19 » by ALL HAIL » Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:49 am

Semantics.

Let me ask you:

Was Scottie Pippen a PG?

How about Ron Harper?

My point is that the moment that old Bulls team strutted out with a starting lineup of Harper, Jordan, Longley, Rodman, and Pippen, you should have realized that the whole idea of a traditional PG is out the window win it comes to playing in the triangle and with a dominant player like Jordan or Kobe.

If Ron Harper and/or Pippen can play point then Iguodala can as well. He has the same skill set as Pippen and/or Harper and is a selfless ball player.

Iguodala could play point for the Lakers, Mayo could, Roy could, hell Boris Diaw could.

I don''t want to argue what a PG is unless you describe what your definition is.

To me, Jerry West was a PG and could play PG in the tri. To you, you could say he's not a PG all you want but in this offense a guy who can dribble, pass, defend, shoot, and facilitate the offense is a PG.

By my definition, Kobe Bryant has been our PG for the last 10 years. It's time to give him a break by getting a guy to LA who can allow Kobe to pick his spots like Ordan was allowed to do after he hit thirty.

Iguodala won't play PG for Larry Brown but would definitely play the position for Phil Jackson. Let me remind you again that Ron Harper was the starting PG for the Lakers years ago and he can't shoot to save his life.

So what are you really saying?
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Re: Pau Gasol for Iguodala & Brand 

Post#20 » by microfib4thewin » Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:53 am

Sometimes I can't even tell if All Hail is serious or not. He puts up the most asinine trade scenarios. Not the typical 'I trade my bench player for an allstar' type of deals Laker fans are known for cooking up, but deals that simply makes no sense even in bizarro world.

We need Gasol to play well much more than Bynum. Gasol having a good game means the Lakers are running the offense properly. When Bynum plays well, the team doesn't always play well along with him because he stalls the offense, he has also become a worse rebounder than Gasol and doesn't do much defensively to warrant having him on the floor more than Odom. Bynum is the most expendable out of the core, not Gasol.

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