NOP/PHI/ORL/PHO

[Jon1798]

Anthony Davis is an offensive player. No to Vuc, no to Kanter, no to Monroe, those are just horrible fits next to AD. AD has way to many issues on defense to add a completely inept defender next to him.

[orlando_joe]

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

from what I have seen noel cant defend center ..so no center no pg ...bad for magic I like booker but magic have Mario and Fournier and victor...how many sg do they need? to much to give up to me magic pass..noel will get overpaid big time next yr want no part of it

Noel defends excellently at center.

have to say I don't watch much philly except when they play magic and vuc worked him a couple weeks back noel could not stop anything ..he went 13-18 for 28 points one of vuc best offense games he posted him up he did not look great ..if that's good defense hate to see bad..not sure noel got more then 10 points or 5 rebounds in any magic game..he can block little guys shots but to much to give up for that..even in jan when they won and magic beat no one he did not shine

[HartfordWhalers]

from what I have seen noel cant defend center ..so no center no pg ...bad for magic I like booker but magic have Mario and Fournier and victor...how many sg do they need? to much to give up to me magic pass..noel will get overpaid big time next yr want no part of it

Noel defends excellently at center.

have to say I don't watch much philly except when they play magic and vuc worked him a couple weeks back noel could not stop anything ..he went 13-18 for 28 points one of vuc best offense games he posted him up he did not look great ..if that's good defense hate to see bad..not sure noel got more then 10 points or 5 rebounds in any magic game..he can block little guys shots but to much to give up for that..even in jan when they won and magic beat no one he did not shine

Within the last 2 weeks or so Noel put up 16 and 11 with 4 assists on just 9 shots against Orlando. So, yeah, even for your little subsample of Noel, I feel pretty comfortable saying your impression is a bit off.

But maybe a picture would help. Here is the shooting of Orlando players when guarded by Noel:

[orlando_joe]

how about against top 10 centers ..or does he not play against them?.not Gordon on bad night...I could be wrong but dont think vuc took 5 -3s...and don't think noel was with in 3 ft of shooter on any of them

[marcush]

No for Sixers, especially in this draft class

[HartfordWhalers]

how about against top 10 centers ..or does he not play against them?.not Gordon on bad night...I could be wrong but dont think vuc took 5 -3s...and don't think noel was with in 3 ft of shooter on any of them

Drummond is shooting 8 of 22 against Noel, Cousins 11 of 28, etc.

The idea of declaring Noel not a center or not a good defender cannot be reconciled as far as I can tell.

[Amareca]

Who the heck is voting for Phoenix getting the best deal here?

Booker for #1? No thanks, that is a no-brainer for Phoenix. Booker already is a potential franchise player there is no need to give that up to roll the dice once more.

Warren for #11? Again easy pass.. With Warren you have a rookie from 2014 picked in the lottery that turned out well. 51/40/79 and already obe of the top bench scorers in the league. The likelihood of finding better at #11 is low and there is no need to gamble again for Phoenix.

That leaves trading 3 for 22 which does not need explanation.

Plus Phoenix already has #3, 13, 28, 33. Losing Booker, Warren and #3 to change that to 1,11,13,22,28,33 is beyond stupid.

[Laimbeer]

Who the heck is voting for Phoenix getting the best deal here?

Booker for #1? No thanks, that is a no-brainer for Phoenix. Booker already is a potential franchise player there is no need to give that up to roll the dice once more.

Warren for #11? Again easy pass.. With Warren you have a rookie from 2014 picked in the lottery that turned out well. 51/40/79 and already obe of the top bench scorers in the league. The likelihood of finding better at #11 is low and there is no need to gamble again for Phoenix.

That leaves trading 3 for 22 which does not need explanation.

Plus Phoenix already has #3, 13, 28, 33. Losing Booker, Warren and #3 to change that to 1,11,13,22,28,33 is beyond stupid.

You're the first (and maybe last) person I have seen call Booker a potential franchise player. He's a great shooter, and that's valuable. But his athleticism, explosiveness, handles, finishing, defense, and passing are limited. He is very young and can improve over time, for sure, but I'd say his ceiling is something like Klay Thompson. Maybe.

[Amareca]

Who the heck is voting for Phoenix getting the best deal here?

Booker for #1? No thanks, that is a no-brainer for Phoenix. Booker already is a potential franchise player there is no need to give that up to roll the dice once more.

Warren for #11? Again easy pass.. With Warren you have a rookie from 2014 picked in the lottery that turned out well. 51/40/79 and already obe of the top bench scorers in the league. The likelihood of finding better at #11 is low and there is no need to gamble again for Phoenix.

That leaves trading 3 for 22 which does not need explanation.

Plus Phoenix already has #3, 13, 28, 33. Losing Booker, Warren and #3 to change that to 1,11,13,22,28,33 is beyond stupid.

You're the first (and maybe last) person I have seen call Booker a potential franchise player. He's a great shooter, and that's valuable. But his athleticism, explosiveness, handles, defense, and passing are limited. He is very young and can improve over time, for sure, but I'd say his ceiling is something like Klay Thompson. Maybe.

None of that is limited.

He is very quick and posted an all time great lane agility test at the combine.
His passing and handles are great for a shooting guard.

Stop talking about players that you obviously dont even watch.

And if you paid attention you would realize that most Suns fan see him as our franchise player to be already. He is going nowhere.

Devin Booker is far more than a shooter.

His ceiling is most definitely not Klay Thompson.

[MAGICian619]

This is absolutely terrible for Orlando. Leaves us with no PG and no Center. I have no idea how any of you think this is good for Orlando.

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

OK lets just say for arguments sake that Oladipo = Booker (I'm pretty positive majority would choose Oladipo over Booker).

That leaves us with Vucevic, Payton and a 1st Round Pick for Noel.

We would not even trade Vucevic for Noel straight up let alone throw in Payton and a 1st.

[bondom34]

Who the heck is voting for Phoenix getting the best deal here?

Booker for #1? No thanks, that is a no-brainer for Phoenix. Booker already is a potential franchise player there is no need to give that up to roll the dice once more.

Warren for #11? Again easy pass.. With Warren you have a rookie from 2014 picked in the lottery that turned out well. 51/40/79 and already obe of the top bench scorers in the league. The likelihood of finding better at #11 is low and there is no need to gamble again for Phoenix.

That leaves trading 3 for 22 which does not need explanation.

Plus Phoenix already has #3, 13, 28, 33. Losing Booker, Warren and #3 to change that to 1,11,13,22,28,33 is beyond stupid.

You're the first (and maybe last) person I have seen call Booker a potential franchise player. He's a great shooter, and that's valuable. But his athleticism, explosiveness, handles, defense, and passing are limited. He is very young and can improve over time, for sure, but I'd say his ceiling is something like Klay Thompson. Maybe.

None of that is limited.

He is very quick and posted an all time great lane agility test at the combine.
His passing and handles are great for a shooting guard.

Stop talking about players that you obviously dont even watch.

And if you paid attention you would realize that most Suns fan see him as our franchise player to be already. He is going nowhere.

Devin Booker is far more than a shooter.

His ceiling is most definitely not Klay Thompson.

Don't do this, and please see the forum guidelines.

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[Smitty731]

Who the heck is voting for Phoenix getting the best deal here?

Booker for #1? No thanks, that is a no-brainer for Phoenix. Booker already is a potential franchise player there is no need to give that up to roll the dice once more.

Warren for #11? Again easy pass.. With Warren you have a rookie from 2014 picked in the lottery that turned out well. 51/40/79 and already obe of the top bench scorers in the league. The likelihood of finding better at #11 is low and there is no need to gamble again for Phoenix.

That leaves trading 3 for 22 which does not need explanation.

Plus Phoenix already has #3, 13, 28, 33. Losing Booker, Warren and #3 to change that to 1,11,13,22,28,33 is beyond stupid.

You're the first (and maybe last) person I have seen call Booker a potential franchise player. He's a great shooter, and that's valuable. But his athleticism, explosiveness, handles, defense, and passing are limited. He is very young and can improve over time, for sure, but I'd say his ceiling is something like Klay Thompson. Maybe.

None of that is limited.

He is very quick and posted an all time great lane agility test at the combine.
His passing and handles are great for a shooting guard.

Stop talking about players that you obviously dont even watch.

And if you paid attention you would realize that most Suns fan see him as our franchise player to be already. He is going nowhere.

Devin Booker is far more than a shooter.

His ceiling is most definitely not Klay Thompson.

Don't do this. You can disagree with an assessment without attacking the poster or accusing him of not watching. You have no idea what anyone watches and doesn't watch.

[HartfordWhalers]

This is absolutely terrible for Orlando. Leaves us with no PG and no Center. I have no idea how any of you think this is good for Orlando.

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

OK lets just say for arguments sake that Oladipo = Booker (I'm pretty positive majority would choose Oladipo over Booker).

That leaves us with Vucevic, Payton and a 1st Round Pick for Noel.

We would not even trade Vucevic for Noel straight up let alone throw in Payton and a 1st.

Well, I cannot speak for what Orlando fans might like more, but I would be surprised if other people would:
1) Take Oladipo over Booker
2) Take Vucevic over Noel

But this sounds like one of those times where someone is really happy with the players they have, so no point in trading them.

[Amareca]

You're the first (and maybe last) person I have seen call Booker a potential franchise player. He's a great shooter, and that's valuable. But his athleticism, explosiveness, handles, defense, and passing are limited. He is very young and can improve over time, for sure, but I'd say his ceiling is something like Klay Thompson. Maybe.

None of that is limited.

He is very quick and posted an all time great lane agility test at the combine.
His passing and handles are great for a shooting guard.

Stop talking about players that you obviously dont even watch.

And if you paid attention you would realize that most Suns fan see him as our franchise player to be already. He is going nowhere.

Devin Booker is far more than a shooter.

His ceiling is most definitely not Klay Thompson.

Don't do this. You can disagree with an assessment without attacking the poster or accusing him of not watching. You have no idea what anyone watches and doesn't watch.

When someone makes outrageous assessments on a player that are flat out wrong it is pretty obvious that he didnt watch and is repeating scouting reports.
Especially considering the state of the Suns where I doubt neutral fans are watching Suns games on any regular basis.

If somebody posted that Steve Nash could only pass but was limited as a scorer/shooter - would you say that poster watched Steve Nash play? No.

These ignorant comments about Booker remind me of Amare in his second season when it was RealGM canon mong non-Suns fand that he couldnt do anything but dunk although he was already then showing a consistent jumper.

[Amareca]

OK lets just say for arguments sake that Oladipo = Booker (I'm pretty positive majority would choose Oladipo over Booker)
.

Booker is worth much more than Oladipo.

Besides that he is simply a better talent, he hast the most desirable skills, does not turn 20 until next season and is on the first year of his rookie deal.

Oladipo on the other hand will get paid soon.

Knight or Oladipo would be a better question. I'd take Knight here since they are statisticslly very close and Knight is just a year older and likely signed for less than what Oladipo will ask.

[bondom34]

When someone makes outrageous assessments on a player that are flat out wrong it is pretty obvious that he didnt watch and is repeating scouting reports.
Especially considering the state of the Suns where I doubt neutral fans are watching Suns games on any regular basis.

If somebody posted that Steve Nash could only pass but was limited as a scorer/shooter - would you say that poster watched Steve Nash play? No.

These ignorant comments about Booker remind me of Amare in his second season when it was RealGM canon mong non-Suns fand that he couldnt do anything but dunk although he was already then showing a consistent jumper.

Again, its against forum policy. You can choose to ignore it, but you will receive warnings for it in the future.

[j-ragg]

This is absolutely terrible for Orlando. Leaves us with no PG and no Center. I have no idea how any of you think this is good for Orlando.

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

OK lets just say for arguments sake that Oladipo = Booker (I'm pretty positive majority would choose Oladipo over Booker).

That leaves us with Vucevic, Payton and a 1st Round Pick for Noel.

We would not even trade Vucevic for Noel straight up let alone throw in Payton and a 1st.

Yikes. 99.9% of the basketball world would disagree.

Booker has a ton more value than Oladipo, whose value is arguably at an all time low.

Noel definitely holds more value than Vucevic, Payton is kind of a question mark but statistically is one of the worst starting points in the league (even though I think his impact kinda doesn't show up statistically), and our 1st round pick who wouldn't play anyway cus of our Hitler wannabe coach.

[MAGICian619]

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

OK lets just say for arguments sake that Oladipo = Booker (I'm pretty positive majority would choose Oladipo over Booker).

That leaves us with Vucevic, Payton and a 1st Round Pick for Noel.

We would not even trade Vucevic for Noel straight up let alone throw in Payton and a 1st.

Yikes. 99.9% of the basketball world would disagree.

Booker has a ton more value than Oladipo, whose value is arguably at an all time low.

Noel definitely holds more value than Vucevic, Payton is kind of a question mark but statistically is one of the worst starting points in the league (even though I think his impact kinda doesn't show up statistically), and our 1st round pick who wouldn't play anyway cus of our Hitler wannabe coach.

Is 99.9% of the basketball world blind?

Vucevic: 17.8 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 20.45 PER (borderline all star last 2 seasons)
Noel: 10.9 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 16.55 PER (never sniffed the all star game)

But sure lets make the swap, we will even throw in our PG of the future and a 1st.

[Golabki]

OK lets just say for arguments sake that Oladipo = Booker (I'm pretty positive majority would choose Oladipo over Booker)
.

Booker is worth much more than Oladipo.

Besides that he is simply a better talent, he hast the most desirable skills, does not turn 20 until next season and is on the first year of his rookie deal.

Oladipo on the other hand will get paid soon.

Knight or Oladipo would be a better question. I'd take Knight here since they are statisticslly very close and Knight is just a year older and likely signed for less than what Oladipo will ask.

I agree that Booker is worth more tna Dipo at this point, but Dipo is worth WAAAAY more than Knight. I feel like the Dipo hate is getting a bit out of control.

[HartfordWhalers]

OK lets just say for arguments sake that Oladipo = Booker (I'm pretty positive majority would choose Oladipo over Booker)
.

Booker is worth much more than Oladipo.

Besides that he is simply a better talent, he hast the most desirable skills, does not turn 20 until next season and is on the first year of his rookie deal.

Oladipo on the other hand will get paid soon.

Knight or Oladipo would be a better question. I'd take Knight here since they are statisticslly very close and Knight is just a year older and likely signed for less than what Oladipo will ask.

I agree that Booker is worth more tna Dipo at this point, but Dipo is worth WAAAAY more than Knight. I feel like the Dipo hate is getting a bit out of control.

Oh, I don't think it is at all a question. I would take Oladipo way way over Knight. Then again, I also don't think Booker is worth way more than Simmons.