What would Love get in a trade

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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#61 » by nolang1 » Sun Jun 4, 2017 3:29 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:Indy needs to trade Paul George to a team where he'd commit to stay, because that's the only way to get great value for him.

If the assets in return are ones they don't want, then the deal just needs to be expanded. So a three-way Cavs/Indy/TeamX makes a lot of sense.

Boston would surely love to get Love, although the mechanics of the deal would be hard if they succeed at signing Hayward, and they would presumably lose interest if they could sign Griffin.


I'd be really nervous about any trade that sent Love to the Celtics.


I'd easily trade Love for something like Crowder, Bradley, and Brown. Cavs need more bodies.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#62 » by R-DAWG » Sun Jun 4, 2017 3:43 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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papidulo wrote:Trade him for Melo....
Force NY to throw in a young piece like Ron Baker

Love is better than Melo

Love is better than Melo in any series that isn't against the Warriors...

Trill_Cosby wrote:The question really isn't if we should trade love. The real question is, who could replace him that would make the cavaliers better than this gsw team. The answer to that is nobody that could be had for love.


I think the better way to approach it is how can Love be used to turn defunct players like Shumpert and JR into winning ones.
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I think that deal for CLE gives them a better starting 5. JR to the bench might be a better role for him. Obviously, back up playmaker is a need for CLE. I doubt Phil in any way will agree to take back JR.


I like the idea of using the downgrade in value between Love and Melo to strengthen Cleveland's overall roster.

CLE: Carmelo Anthony and Avery Bradley
BOS: Kevin Love
NYK: Iman Shumpert and assets from Boston. Assume some combination of the LAC future 1st, MEM future 1st, BOS 2018 first, Jae Corwder.

Cleveland upgrades their perimeter defense in a big way with AB and creates a front court more suited to match with Golden State. Boston adds Love for a combination of 2nd tier assets. New York moves on from Melo in a quantity over quality deal without taking on long term salary. Shumpert likely can be flipped for a 1st rd pick.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#63 » by KP6 » Sun Jun 4, 2017 3:51 pm

I would not want to add him to mt Knicks... subpar on defense and father time will make him more of a liability in the next few seasons. If he goes anywhere I like to see him play either back in Minn or LA. Still an excellent rebounder and he can still shoot the 3 ball.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#64 » by Wizop » Sun Jun 4, 2017 4:24 pm

Can't see Cleveland trading Love to any team in the East that made the playoffs.

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Post#65 » by the_bruce » Sun Jun 4, 2017 4:37 pm

Love is one of the better players vs a team like GSW imo.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#66 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Jun 4, 2017 5:26 pm

nolang1 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:Indy needs to trade Paul George to a team where he'd commit to stay, because that's the only way to get great value for him.

If the assets in return are ones they don't want, then the deal just needs to be expanded. So a three-way Cavs/Indy/TeamX makes a lot of sense.

Boston would surely love to get Love, although the mechanics of the deal would be hard if they succeed at signing Hayward, and they would presumably lose interest if they could sign Griffin.


I'd be really nervous about any trade that sent Love to the Celtics.


I'd easily trade Love for something like Crowder, Bradley, and Brown. Cavs need more bodies.


That's better value than you gave up for him.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#67 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 4, 2017 5:39 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:Indy needs to trade Paul George to a team where he'd commit to stay, because that's the only way to get great value for him.

If the assets in return are ones they don't want, then the deal just needs to be expanded. So a three-way Cavs/Indy/TeamX makes a lot of sense.

Boston would surely love to get Love, although the mechanics of the deal would be hard if they succeed at signing Hayward, and they would presumably lose interest if they could sign Griffin.


I'd be really nervous about any trade that sent Love to the Celtics.


I'd easily trade Love for something like Crowder, Bradley, and Brown. Cavs need more bodies.


I wouldn't. It's PG, Butler or nothing.

Cavs have, at most, a two-year window. I'm not convinced Crowder can guard Durant any better than LBJ or Shump. Brown isn't good enough to play meaningful minutes in a Finals series yet. Assuming he gets there, it's probably outside the Cavs window. Bradley's too short to guard Klay better than JR.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#68 » by nolang1 » Sun Jun 4, 2017 5:46 pm

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nolang1 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I'd be really nervous about any trade that sent Love to the Celtics.


I'd easily trade Love for something like Crowder, Bradley, and Brown. Cavs need more bodies.


That's better value than you gave up for him.


I'm not the general manager of the Cavs, so I gave up nothing to get Kevin Love. It's a sunk cost at this point. It was pretty clear at the time that the trade gave the Cavs a 2-year window that locked them into Love and Irving (when they could have groomed young players like Wiggins/Embiid and added multiple young veteran free agents rather than one max guy to compete further into the future). That window's passed (not like Kevin Love is going to be getting any better), and now that they already have a championship anything that can be done to extricate the team from that situation would be a plus in my eyes.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#69 » by rugbyrugger23 » Mon Jun 5, 2017 3:42 am

Anderson + Gordon +'Beverley for Love + Shump

Anderson is Love-lite, Gordon can kick Smith to bench and Beverley is a truly needed defensive guard (for playing GSW).
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#70 » by Walmart » Mon Jun 5, 2017 4:11 am

Unless they are getting someone who is already a top 10 player it's not going to get them another ring against the Warriors. As this finals indicated, the Warriors are better than every other team in the NBA and it's not close.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#71 » by GSR121 » Mon Jun 5, 2017 5:03 am

DET fan here. I don't think I would trade love. I don't see them getting a "better" player in return. The bench is the main issue in my opinion and I think they could lure some FA's in the off season to fix that. But if the decision is made to trade him maybe a fifty cent piece and two quarters is the way to go? I think CLE has plenty of options in its starting unit and that they could trade Love for a moderate downgrade from Love in the starting five for a boost on the bench. That said here is a trade along those lines.

DET out: Harris, Jackson, Morris

CLE out: Love, Shumpert, Felder

Why for DET? Love next to Drummond is a good fit, and Love is a great fit for SVG's system. Shumpert is just to match salary, Felder is a home town guy for PR reasons.

Why for CLE? I don't know? Like I said, I wouldn't. But... Harris is a good shooter plays both forward positions and is a young guy that has room to get better. He is a down grade form Love but a similar player and a very good piece. Jackson is a mediocre starter but a very good 6th man. He gives them a spark off the bench and allows them to rest Irving during the season. Jackson also provides decent insurance if Irving gets injured. I think Jackson would put his ego in check for a chance to win a ring. Morris is a versatile forward that provides some grit and won't hurt you when he is on the court.

I don't see CLE trading Love but if they do, this is the type offers I see them getting. I'd just keep him and look to add complementary players in FA if it were me.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#72 » by Ell Curry » Mon Jun 5, 2017 6:18 am

What about Love and Frye for Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews if Dirk retires? Dallas gets to go forward with Noel-Love and the PG they draft this year. Cleveland gets more speed to deal with the Warriors and enough 3pt shooting to still win the East comfortably.If Lebron thinks he has to play the 4 to win a title now, it could make sense.

The other move Cleveland can make that nobody is talking about is trading Thompson for a wing like Melo or Crowder and starting Love and shooting even more 3s. The Warriors might hit 120 every night against them, but if they can get to 115 they have a chance. The Cavs could couple that with a trade for a stiffer 5 that can do fine against the East anyways, or sign Dedmon or another 5 in free agency to the MLE. If Iguodala leaves or ages quickly, the Warriors might end up playing the death lineup less anyways and Love could guard the 5 and drag him out on O.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#73 » by deanwoof » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:28 pm

Trade him (and Shumpert) for Allen Crabbe, Aminu and Ed Davis. Shabazz Napier too.

If there's anything Cleveland needs is someone that's can shoot (Crabbe), another wing that isn't a million years old (Aminu) to spell LeBron, and another hustling big to spell Thompson (Davis). Shabazz would do more than Deron Williams' corpse now. I know Crabbe is overpaid but JR Smith isn't doing anything, Jefferson and Shump aren't contributing, and Shabazz was LeBron's favorite in that draft.

Love would pair well upfront with Nurkic. He'd end up as the 4th option here. Blazers clear up roster spots and bring home Love.

It's not anywhere near perfect but I think it'd be an upgrade of younger role players for Cleveland.

Thompson / Davis
Aminu? / Frye
James / Min Vets
Crabbe / Smith
Irving / Napier

Nurkic / Leonard
Love / Vonleh
Harkless / Turner
McCollum / Shumpert
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#74 » by OFWGKTA » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:26 pm

New York out: Melo, O'Quinn
New York in: Shumpert, Frye, 2018 Celtics 1st, #37, Crowder

Cleveland out: Love, Thompson, Frye, Shumphert
Cleveland in: Melo, Horford, Bradley, O'Quinn

Boston out: Horford, Crowder, Bradley, #37, 2018 Celtics 1st
Boston in: Love, Thompson


Irving/Williams
Bradley/Smith
James/Anthony
Anthony/Horford
Horford/O'Quinn
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Post#75 » by DoItALL9 » Mon Jun 5, 2017 10:06 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:
papidulo wrote:Trade him for Melo....
Force NY to throw in a young piece like Ron Baker

Love is better than Melo

Love is better than Melo in any series that isn't against the Warriors...

Trill_Cosby wrote:The question really isn't if we should trade love. The real question is, who could replace him that would make the cavaliers better than this gsw team. The answer to that is nobody that could be had for love.


I think the better way to approach it is how can Love be used to turn defunct players like Shumpert and JR into winning ones.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yadwmaqe
Knicks get all Portland 1sts this year.
I think that deal for CLE gives them a better starting 5. JR to the bench might be a better role for him. Obviously, back up playmaker is a need for CLE. I doubt Phil in any way will agree to take back JR.

Derrick Rose is a free agent though
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Post#76 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Jun 5, 2017 10:14 pm

DoItALL9 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:Love is better than Melo

Love is better than Melo in any series that isn't against the Warriors...

Trill_Cosby wrote:The question really isn't if we should trade love. The real question is, who could replace him that would make the cavaliers better than this gsw team. The answer to that is nobody that could be had for love.


I think the better way to approach it is how can Love be used to turn defunct players like Shumpert and JR into winning ones.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yadwmaqe
Knicks get all Portland 1sts this year.
I think that deal for CLE gives them a better starting 5. JR to the bench might be a better role for him. Obviously, back up playmaker is a need for CLE. I doubt Phil in any way will agree to take back JR.

Derrick Rose is a free agent though

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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#77 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Jun 5, 2017 10:15 pm

OFWGKTA wrote:New York out: Melo, O'Quinn
New York in: Shumpert, Frye, 2018 Celtics 1st, #37, Crowder

Cleveland out: Love, Thompson, Frye, Shumphert
Cleveland in: Melo, Horford, Bradley, O'Quinn

Boston out: Horford, Crowder, Bradley, #37, 2018 Celtics 1st
Boston in: Love, Thompson


Irving/Williams
Bradley/Smith
James/Anthony
Anthony/Horford
Horford/O'Quinn

I want a better 1st than Bostons... They have other ones.

Also no way they are really going to assist LeBron like that.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#78 » by sportfan6197 » Mon Jun 5, 2017 10:34 pm

nolang1 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:Indy needs to trade Paul George to a team where he'd commit to stay, because that's the only way to get great value for him.

If the assets in return are ones they don't want, then the deal just needs to be expanded. So a three-way Cavs/Indy/TeamX makes a lot of sense.

Boston would surely love to get Love, although the mechanics of the deal would be hard if they succeed at signing Hayward, and they would presumably lose interest if they could sign Griffin.


I'd be really nervous about any trade that sent Love to the Celtics.


I'd easily trade Love for something like Crowder, Bradley, and Brown. Cavs need more bodies.

You wouldn't get that package. Boston would be depleted on the wings and Hayward couldn't sign
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#79 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jun 5, 2017 10:46 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:New York out: Melo, O'Quinn
New York in: Shumpert, Frye, 2018 Celtics 1st, #37, Crowder

Cleveland out: Love, Thompson, Frye, Shumphert
Cleveland in: Melo, Horford, Bradley, O'Quinn

Boston out: Horford, Crowder, Bradley, #37, 2018 Celtics 1st
Boston in: Love, Thompson


Irving/Williams
Bradley/Smith
James/Anthony
Anthony/Horford
Horford/O'Quinn

I want a better 1st than Bostons... They have other ones.

Also no way they are really going to assist LeBron like that.


That's alright. There's no way the Cavs are going to trade Boston our starting front court. People have lost their minds. Boston was the No. 1 seed & Cavs ECF opponent. I'm all for debating value but I feel like people are ignoring important flaws in the premise of some of these trades. I don't know if it's a result of motivated reasoning or what but there's a reason you don't see Spurs/Warriors trades posted.
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Re: What would Love get in a trade 

Post#80 » by Swish4 » Mon Jun 5, 2017 11:41 pm

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