TOR/CHI

[TheProfessor]

TOR OUT: Turk+13th
TOR IN: Luol Deng+2nd round draft pick 2011


CHI IN: Turk+ 13th
CHI OUT: Luol Deng+ 2nd round draft pick 2011

Toronto gets young SF to help Barney, and might even help keep bosh

CHI gets a lotto pick and drops gets more cap space in the process.

[ho11a]

#13 pick > deng + his ugly contract.

[TheProfessor]

I know thats were turks ugly contract comes into play, is the 13th pick to much tho?

[DanTown8587]

Oh **** no.

[TheProfessor]

Oh **** no.

DO you want to elaborate?

[coldfish]

Turk has a 15% trade kicker. NFW anyone is touching that deal. Turk would actually be paid a little more than Deng (not including the fact that Deng's deal is 30% deferred).

Given that Deng got 17 and 7 last year and actually plays defense, I'll take the 25 year old and Toronto can keep its pick.

[longfellow44]

Fantastic deal makes sense for both teams. Chitown can really use Turk and his shooting and the raptors are in desperate need of someone who plays defense. I would say that deng is a top 5 defender at his position andthat would go a long way to improving the raptors.

[DanTown8587]

Oh **** no.

DO you want to elaborate?

1. Turk adds cap space
2. Deng > defense, playing off the ball, younger
3. 13th pick isn't that great in this draft.

[ho11a]

I know thats were turks ugly contract comes into play, is the 13th pick to much tho?

It isn't really about turkoglu.

If it was turk + 13 for deng, i still don't think it would be worthwhile for TOR, even though deng is SLIGHTLY better than turk.

[DanTown8587]

Fantastic deal makes sense for both teams. Chitown can really use Turk and his shooting and the raptors are in desperate need of someone who plays defense. I would say that deng is a top 5 defender at his position andthat would go a long way to improving the raptors.

If the Bulls seriously want to upgrade three point shooting, they can do it a lot better than taking on Hedo. And downgrading their defense SIGNIFICANTLY.

[DanTown8587]

I know thats were turks ugly contract comes into play, is the 13th pick to much tho?

It isn't really about turkoglu.

If it was turk + 13 for deng, i still don't think it would be worthwhile for TOR, even though deng is SLIGHTLY better than turk.

[longfellow44]

^^the way I saw it for the bulls this trade allows them to vastly improve as a
team. Sure they lose a little on defense because of how good deny is but I think this will help complete their team and make them more attractive to free agents.

Draft Xavier Henry at 13.
Draft Larry sanders at 17

sign bosh.

New lineup
rose/pargo
Henry/hinrich
hedo/Johnson
bosh/Gibson
Noah/sanders

that's a great mix of talent. That's how insaw it when I saw the initial trade.

[RichardsRival3]

There is no way that the Bulls will take on Turkyglue.

Turkyglue has a 15% increase if he is traded.
Turkyglue is 30 Deng is 25
Turkyglue plays much worse than Deng
Turkyglue had a worse year than Deng

Its going to take a lot more than the 13th pick to take on Turkyglue's contract.

No thanks

[coldfish]

^^the way I saw it for the bulls this trade allows them to vastly improve as a
team. Sure they lose a little on defense because of how good deny is but I think this will help complete their team and make them more attractive to free agents.

Draft Xavier Henry at 13.
Draft Larry sanders at 17

sign bosh.

New lineup
rose/pargo
Henry/hinrich
hedo/Johnson
bosh/Gibson
Noah/sanders

that's a great mix of talent. That's how insaw it when I saw the initial trade.

Do you really think that Bosh is telling free agents "That Hedo guy, he is one you want to play with!!!"

[chadrucf]

Turkoglu:

11.3 ppg, 4.1 apg, 4.6 rpg, ok defense, 31 years old.

Deng:

17.6 ppg, 2.0 apg, 7.3 rpg, great defense, 25 years old.

Just thought we should know what we are talking about here...

[MELO OR BUST]

[longfellow44]

^^the way I saw it for the bulls this trade allows them to vastly improve as a
team. Sure they lose a little on defense because of how good deny is but I think this will help complete their team and make them more attractive to free agents.

Draft Xavier Henry at 13.
Draft Larry sanders at 17

sign bosh.

New lineup
rose/pargo
Henry/hinrich
hedo/Johnson
bosh/Gibson
Noah/sanders

that's a great mix of talent. That's how insaw it when I saw the initial trade.

Do you really think that Bosh is telling free agents "That Hedo guy, he is one you want to play with!!!"

Do you think that free agents want to come to a team that has no 3pt shooting which means that the defense is always going to collapse on you. Which makes it so much more difficult to score or do anything well on the offensive end. The bulls need legit 3pt shooters and that would make the world of difference. Sure they might find it somewhere else but i think this is a solid idea.

Also I wouldn't want to blame the toronto mess on Hedo, he has shown what he can do but the basically tried to turn him into a strictly catch and shoot guy in toronto. He's more of a play maker type who should have the ball in his hands once in a while to make some plays for himself or others.

[coldfish]

^^the way I saw it for the bulls this trade allows them to vastly improve as a
team. Sure they lose a little on defense because of how good deny is but I think this will help complete their team and make them more attractive to free agents.

Draft Xavier Henry at 13.
Draft Larry sanders at 17

sign bosh.

New lineup
rose/pargo
Henry/hinrich
hedo/Johnson
bosh/Gibson
Noah/sanders

that's a great mix of talent. That's how insaw it when I saw the initial trade.

Do you really think that Bosh is telling free agents "That Hedo guy, he is one you want to play with!!!"

Do you think that free agents want to come to a team that has no 3pt shooting which means that the defense is always going to collapse on you. Which makes it so much more difficult to score or do anything well on the offensive end. The bulls need legit 3pt shooters and that would make the world of difference. Sure they might find it somewhere else but i think this is a solid idea.

Also I wouldn't want to blame the toronto mess on Hedo, he has shown what he can do but the basically tried to turn him into a strictly catch and shoot guy in toronto. He's more of a play maker type who should have the ball in his hands once in a while to make some plays for himself or others.

The Bulls do need shooting, but the whole "stack a team with 3p shooters to win" idea just got owned by Boston. Both Orlando and Cleveland were based on one guy drawing double teams and getting it to a 3p shooter. When prepared for that tactic, Boston made it look bad, which is something that seems to always happen to those type of teams in the playoffs. What you need in the playoffs to win is multiple creators and an offense that moves the ball.

Regardless, you just said why Hedo wouldn't fit in Chicago with Bosh and Rose. He couldn't dominate the ball. You would be looking more for off ball players like . . . Luol Deng.

Anyways, I thought that Bosh indicated through back channels that he had issues with Hedo.