IND/WAS - Hinrich for Dunleavy

[jowglenn]

Well, the Pacers search for a young, cheap, potential-filled PG has failed. No Flynn, Collison, Lawson, etc. We maybe could have mortgaged the farm for Parker, or taken on Okafor to get Collison, but apparently those aren't happening.


Washington used their capspace to take on Hinrich and get a pick in exchange. But they obviously don't need Hinrich there, getting paid 9 million a year for 2 years to backup Wall and Arenas.

So what do people think

Dunleavy

for

Hinrich



Why for Pacers:

Our wing depth is overloaded, and Dunleavy will likely be underused anyway. Take on Hinrich, get a steady and competent PG for the next 2 years. We use some of our 2011 capspace, sure, but it gives us some wiggle room to get our "PG of the future" next year or even the year after.

Why for Wizards:

Hinrich will play behind Wall and Arenas for 2 years? I doubt it. They get an expiring guy who can contribute at the wing positions, handle the ball in the half-court set, and hit 3s.

[basketballwacko2]

This makes sense for both teams, Wiz get Dunleavys who is expiring don't have to pay a 3rd pg $9 million. Pacers save a little cash this season and get a PG.

[Indy2thaWindy]

As bad as Dunleavy is, his 1 year and the Pacers not having a point guard is better than having Hinrich for 2.

[jowglenn]

^

I felt the same, Windy, but am increasingly worried about our prospects at PG. When people start talking about signing Luke Ridnour or Steve Blake, I am like.....ehhhhhhh........ puts us further in lux tax this season if we sign someone (while this trade does not add salary for this season). And furthermore, those guys will want 3 or 4 year deals. certainly less than hinrich is paid, but for longer.

I see Hinrich as being underrated, because he was displaced by Rose. Before that, he was a solid PG, and was really the leader of the Bulls teams that were in the playoffs 4/5 years ago.

Having no PG whatsoever is a bad idea. Getting some super-cheapo guy is a bad idea.

[nate33]

If I were running the Wizards, I'd probably do this.

However, I think the Wizards intend to keep Hinrich while they try and trade Arenas. If Arenas can't get traded, they'll keep both on the roster for half the season. If Arenas still can't be moved by the Trade Deadline, then they might seriously consider trading Hinrich for expiring contracts. I don't know if Indy would still be interested in such a deal at the Trade Deadline. If they're not, my guess is that the LA Lakers would be interested.

[jowglenn]

Right, but we need a PG pretty damn soon. If we make it to the trade deadline, we've definitely already gotten someone, somewhere. Farmar, Ridnour, Blake, etc. And once we have that guy, we won't need Hinrich.

So it would certainly be a this-summer-or-never deal.

[Indy2thaWindy]

I think Blake and Ridnour are better than Hinrich. Definitely for the money. I don't know bout what kind of stats they put up but Hinrich seems more like an offball point who needs an on-ball 2 who can score. Which was Ben Gordon for him and D-Rose was to him last year when Hinrich was at the 2. He is like a Derek Fisher, who has Kobe Bryant, a spot up shooter who needs to play with ball dominant 2. Pacers don't have that. Rush is turnover prone and the big knock on Paul George is his ability to handle the ball.

Shaun Livingston would be more suited for the Pacers. He is an on-ball point for sure who really wont score but is at his best when he can find open shots for other players. He can create shots pretty easily for other players and if there is anything we have enough of it's knock-down shooters.
I know he is injury prone but, if he does get injured there are players who are just as productive as Hinrich with a lot better contracts.

[Indy2thaWindy]

I'd also be willing to take on Okafor's contract to get Collison, than to get Hinrich. I'm sure Bird would too.

[jowglenn]

^ I absolutely agree.

Murphy/Rush for Okafor/Collison gets us a better fit w/ Hibbert in the frontcourt and a young, long-term solution at PG. So i'd rather do that one too.

[Indy2thaWindy]

I'd still like to see Livingston come to Indiana to see how he would be as our backup if we did get Collison. Pacers would have to make room on the roster. I doubt he comes to the Pacers or he would probly be on the Summer League roster unless he is on someone elses Summer League Roster. If he isn't on a roster either he thinks he's too good for summer league or just trying to prevent an injury. But lookin at the Pacers summer league roster it looks like bird will be trading for a point guard if not sign one in free agency.

[nate33]

You guys should definitely consider Shaun Livingston.

As a Wizards fan, I watched every one of his games last year. The kid is very good. He has a great basketball mind and really knows where and when to pass the ball. He also has an impressive post-up game. He scored at will down there. His relatively poor lateral quickness on D is a bit of a concern, but his ridiculous length helps make up for it. He's still very young and he has a great demeanor on the floor and in the locker room.

His one weakness is that he's not really a penetrator. He can create space and get off a 12-footer, but he seems to shy away from contact and never finishes at the basket. It looks like he is still watching out for that knee. He would probably work best if he was paired with an undersized penetrating SG like a Monta Ellis.

My biggest lament about landing John Wall was that it meant that Livingston was sure to go. I was really looking forward to a Livingston/Arenas backcourt. (Don't worry, I'll get over it. You can't turn down an opportunity to draft a talent like Wall.)

I'd definitely sign Livingston before considering Blake and Ridnoir if I were running the Pacers. Blake and Ridnoir are stopgap solutions. They're servicable PG's but they'll never be stars or even in the top 20 among the league's starting PG's. Livingston can still be a star.

[basketballwacko2]

^ I absolutely agree.

Murphy/Rush for Okafor/Collison gets us a better fit w/ Hibbert in the frontcourt and a young, long-term solution at PG. So i'd rather do that one too.

I'd have to do that trade. Then look to ship TJ Ford somewhere for anything useful or maybe just buy him out. I'm generally opposed to buyouts but might do it if he'd take say $7 million an get lost!

[Boneman2]

I thought about this last night. I'd be willing to take on Hinrich for an expiring if Wash. would agree to a second deal by accepting a S&T of Shaun Livingston for Dahntey Jones.

Wash saves nearly 12 million.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Hinrich would be a worse fit for the Pacers than Ford. Why swallow his contract?

[jowglenn]

You're probably right. Hinrich is not a great fit. A Hinrich/Rush backcourt......yikes. Love to see them try to break anyone down off the dribble. Wow.


Let's get Livingston!

[Indy2thaWindy]

^
Thats like havin Hot Sauce and Sylk in the backcourt. I understand we need a point guard, but let's not get put in a bad position tryin to get one. or worse than we already are.

[Wizop]

I think Hinrich does fit OB's scheme well. TJ can break people down off the dribble but that isn't what OB wants. he wants a point who can get the ball up court against pressure and then pass the ball to a wing or into the post and get in motion. he also needs a point who can make a spot up 3 if the ball rotates back to him. I think that's Hinrich. could be Livingston too. I sure hope the Pacers are on the phone to Wiz and Bulls trying to turn the proposed deal into a 3 way.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Obrien doesn't have a "scheme". he just throws players in the game and hopes for the best.
He shoulda been fired after his 2nd season. Obrien says the defense isn't good enuff, Bird says too bad coach better, but yet same offseason he gives obrien extension?

[jowglenn]

So true. Sure, Hinrich can hit 3s sometimes. But a Hinrich/Rush backcourt really just.... frightens me. Neither guy has any semblance of creating his own offense.

[Hoopalotta]

Well, just sign Flip Murray and you're set, right?