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MIL / HOU / DAL / MIN 

Post#1 » by Aaron Brooks » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:02 am

MIL in: Luis Scola, Brian Cardinal (filler/expiring)
MIL out: Corey Maggette, Larry Sanders

Jennings / Boykins
Salmons / Dooling
Mbah A Moute / CDR
Scola / Ilyasova
Bogut / Gooden

It's no secret that the Bucks are one of the best defensive teams in the league, but they are also one of the worst offensive teams. Scola can compliment Bogut the same way that he was suppose to compliment Yao, and Bogut can hide Scola's defensive deficiencies just like Yao did. Did I mention they're also getting rid of Maggette?

HOU in: Brendan Haywood. Larry Sanders
HOU out: Luis Scola, Jared Jeffries

Lowry / Brooks
Martin / Lee
Battier / Budinger
Hayes / Hill
Haywood / Miller

The Rockets are on the opposite end of that spectrum, they can put up points, but they give up more. Moving Scola and acquiring a legit C moves Hill back to his natural position. This trade gives the Rockets a defensive presence in the middle and a young defensive center for the future.

DAL in: Corey Maggette
DAL out: Brendan Haywood, Brian Cardinal, 2011 1st

Kidd / Barea
Stevenson / Terry
Maggette / Marion
Dirk / Marion
Chandler / Ajinca

Maggette fills the void left by Butler and Dallas gets rid of Haywoods contract.

MIN in: Jared Jeffries, 2011 1st (DAL)
Min out: Nothing, they help facilitate the trade

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Post#2 » by trwi7 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:12 am

Don't think Houston or Minnesota would do that. Dallas might not either. Bucks do it.
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Post#3 » by AQuintus » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:33 am

The going rate for a late 1st round pick in a good draft is about 3 million dollars. You have Minnesota paying more than 6 million dollars to get a late 1st in what appears to be a pretty bad draft. Minnesota passes.
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Post#4 » by JES12 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:50 am

Change Haywood and the 1st to Terry and it's a deal.
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Post#5 » by Aaron Brooks » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:53 am

trwi7 wrote:Don't think Houston or Minnesota would do that. Dallas might not either. Bucks do it.


I actually tried to be as un-biased as possible after seeing some other trade proposals on this board, perhaps the Bucks can send Houston their 1st if that is the case, would that be better?
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Post#6 » by Aaron Brooks » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:02 am

AQuintus wrote:The going rate for a late 1st round pick in a good draft is about 3 million dollars. You have Minnesota paying more than 6 million dollars to get a late 1st in what appears to be a pretty bad draft. Minnesota passes.


Very good point, 3 million is the going rate because 3 million is the max amount of cash you can send in a trade. And I don't recall many teams selling their late 1st rounders in recent trades, only the Lakers. Its easier said than done. I recall Morey saying that we tried hard to buy a late pick in this years draft but there were no takers. The pick could easily be changed to a 2012 or beyond 1st if you believe this draft is weak (which its looking more and more like)

JES12 wrote:Change Haywood and the 1st to Terry and it's a deal.


Neither the Bucks or the Rockets have any use for him though.
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Post#7 » by JES12 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:08 am

Aaron Brooks wrote:
JES12 wrote:Change Haywood and the 1st to Terry and it's a deal.


Neither the Bucks or the Rockets have any use for him though.

Eh.

Dallas passes then.

Aaron Brooks wrote:Maggette fills the void left by Butler and Dallas gets rid of Haywoods contract.

BTW, none of tht is true or valid. Maggette brings nothing of what Butler brought and we are not trying to move Haywood....at all.

I do think that Maggette could fit in Dallas, but not for anything but Terry.
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Post#8 » by AQuintus » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:15 am

Aaron Brooks wrote:Very good point, 3 million is the going rate because 3 million is the max amount of cash you can send in a trade. And I don't recall many teams selling their late 1st rounders in recent trades, only the Lakers.


In this last draft Dallas bought the 25th pick from Memphis for cash considerations, which you've already said couldn't have been more than 3 million. The 25th pick would actually be better than the pick Minnesota is getting in this trade (Dallas is slated to pick 27th if the draft was today).

Its easier said than done. I recall Morey saying that we tried hard to buy a late pick in this years draft but there were no takers.


Apparently he forgot to call Memphis. :dontknow:

The pick could easily be changed to a 2012 or beyond 1st if you believe this draft is weak (which its looking more and more like)


Doesn't help. A single very late 1st round pick just isn't worth 6 million in raw cap space. Heck, adding another late 1st and enough cash to cover Jeffries salary still probably wouldn't get it done because that cap space is more valuable to Minnesota as a trade chip to bring in some actual talent.
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Post#9 » by JES12 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:25 am

Is your real agenda to get Haywood or Sanders?
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Post#10 » by Aaron Brooks » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:02 am

AQuintus wrote:
Aaron Brooks wrote:Very good point, 3 million is the going rate because 3 million is the max amount of cash you can send in a trade. And I don't recall many teams selling their late 1st rounders in recent trades, only the Lakers.


In this last draft Dallas bought the 25th pick from Memphis for cash considerations, which you've already said couldn't have been more than 3 million. The 25th pick would actually be better than the pick Minnesota is getting in this trade (Dallas is slated to pick 27th if the draft was today).

Its easier said than done. I recall Morey saying that we tried hard to buy a late pick in this years draft but there were no takers.


Apparently he forgot to call Memphis. :dontknow:

The pick could easily be changed to a 2012 or beyond 1st if you believe this draft is weak (which its looking more and more like)


Doesn't help. A single very late 1st round pick just isn't worth 6 million in raw cap space. Heck, adding another late 1st and enough cash to cover Jeffries salary still probably wouldn't get it done because that cap space is more valuable to Minnesota as a trade chip to bring in some actual talent.


So because 1 team sold their 1st, its a given that any team would if given the opportunity?
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Post#11 » by Aaron Brooks » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:02 am

JES12 wrote:Is your real agenda to get Haywood or Sanders?


Haywood now, Sanders for the future. Bigs take longer to develop.
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Post#12 » by JES12 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:14 am

Aaron Brooks wrote:
JES12 wrote:Is your real agenda to get Haywood or Sanders?


Haywood now, Sanders for the future. Bigs take longer to develop.

Well, I can't say anything about Milwaukee's plans with Sanders.

Even though some Mav fans don't agree with me, I would look to trade Haywood for and offensive PF/C type like Kaman. Kaman is having a bad year with both injuries and meshing with Grifin. I think he can be a PF next to Chandler and a C next to Dirk.

If LAC is looking to dump him and save immediate money via TPE, I would do something like this.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4vqbl4v

Now, obviously Houston can beat that offer and could snatch Kaman themselves, but if your goal is a defensive center, then we may be able to work something out. But we are not trading Haywood for Maggette. No way, no how.
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Post#13 » by Aaron Brooks » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:21 am

JES12 wrote:
Aaron Brooks wrote:
JES12 wrote:Is your real agenda to get Haywood or Sanders?


Haywood now, Sanders for the future. Bigs take longer to develop.

Well, I can't say anything about Milwaukee's plans with Sanders.

Even though some Mav fans don't agree with me, I would look to trade Haywood for and offensive PF/C type like Kaman. Kaman is having a bad year with both injuries and meshing with Grifin. I think he can be a PF next to Chandler and a C next to Dirk.

If LAC is looking to dump him and save immediate money via TPE, I would do something like this.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4vqbl4v

Now, obviously Houston can beat that offer and could snatch Kaman themselves, but if your goal is a defensive center, then we may be able to work something out. But we are not trading Haywood for Maggette. No way, no how.


If thats all it took to get Kaman, the Rockets can make an offer for him, because Haywood's contract is gonna look ugly in a couple of years
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Post#14 » by Darren » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:56 am

Corey Maggette sucks in Milwaukee. Why should we trade Big Wood for him?

Haywood is averaging 4 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes.
What if he plays 36 minutes? 8 points and 10 rebounds. That's a fairly decent number for a C.

We won't be dumb enough to dump him for less than nothing.
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Post#15 » by shrink » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:57 pm

I agree with both of you guys on the cap space vs pick debate.

I guess I'd compromise on the DAL 2012 and $3 mil in cash at the deadline .. if nothing better came along. I think there probably will, but Jeffries $6.9 mil contract will be pro-rated to cost about $2.5 by the deadline. Plus, if the 2011 draft is shallow, 2012 will be deeper, and MIN needs to move its cap space before the deadline. AQuintus is right - its not a great return for a potentially very valuable asset, but I don't think its unreasonable for this discussion.
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Post#16 » by A-Town Connection » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:27 pm

As a Mavs fan I put this at zero percent chance at happening. Mavs fans and the coaching staff are happy with the role he has.
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Post#17 » by Devilzsidewalk » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:20 pm

Darren wrote:Corey Maggette sucks in Milwaukee. Why should we trade Big Wood for him?

Haywood is averaging 4 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes.
What if he plays 36 minutes? 8 points and 10 rebounds. That's a fairly decent number for a C.



also if every game he plays goes into 10 overtimes and he plays all 98 minutes he'd average 1 assist per game
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Post#18 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:30 pm

JES12 wrote:Change Haywood and the 1st to Terry and it's a deal.

Then cut all other teams out of the trade and Milwaukee takes this and runs.
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Post#19 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:31 pm

Darren wrote:What if he plays 36 minutes? 8 points and 10 rebounds. That's a fairly decent number for a C.

Dallas fan or Washington?

Good ole Brenden "Per 36" Haywood.
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Post#20 » by KiDdFrESh » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:47 pm

Bad deal for Houston. Brendan Haywood has consistently played well for 2 nba seasons in his entire career. What a coincidence that they were both in his contract seasons. If the Rockets were that interested in Sanders they would have drafted him instead of Patterson.

The Mavs can keep Brenda and his contract.

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