4-Team Carmelo Trade That Works for Everyone:

[3StarburyAriza21]

And on trade checker:

First, Knicks trade Anthony Randolph somewhere for a 2012 first, allowing them to trade their '11 and '13 first-rounders. Then:

Knicks Trade:

Wilson Chandler
Landry Fields
Bill Walker
Eddy Curry
Timofey Mozgov
2011 & 2013 firsts

Knicks Get:

Carmelo Anthony
Al Harrington

Why: To get Carmelo.

Nuggets Trade:

Carmelo Anthony
Al Harrington

Nuggets Get:

Al-Faroq Aminu
Landry Fields
Timofey Mozgov
Yao Ming's Expiring Contract (to make salaries work)
2011 & 2013 first round picks from New York

Why: Getting three good young players, all capable of being starters now (in Fields' case) or one day (in Aminu and Mozgov's case), plus two firsts, is a good haul for Melo and probably the best they can get. Plus they get to ditch Harrington's salary, a big plus.

Rockets Trade:

Jordan Hill
Courtney Lee
Yao Ming's Expiring
2012 lottery-protected first (either from Knicks or Rockets)

Rockets Get:

Chris Kaman
Bill Walker

Why: They get an All-Star center to replace Yao long-term and who fits well with Scola without giving up too much at all.

Clippers Trade:

Al-Faroq Aminu
Chris Kaman

Clippers Get:

Wilson Chandler
Jordan Hill
Courtney Lee
Eddy Curry
2012 protected first from Houston

Why: They fill their giant void at the three with Chandler, who fits very nicely next to Griffin long-term. They also clear salary by moving Kaman, allowing DeAndre Jordan to become the starting center, while getting two good young pieces in Hill & Lee back as well.


To be honest, the Clipps are the one team I'm not positive would make this trade, since I don't know how highly they value Kaman. But I still think they would do it, as would everyone else. Thoughts appreciated, thanks!

[MitchSlapped]

I'm not sure the Knicks are allowed to trade their 2011 pick because Houston right now has the option to swap it before anything can be traded.

[ClubLakers KB8]

The Rockets get annihilated in this deal.

[3StarburyAriza21]

[quote="ClubLakers KB8"]The Rockets get annihilated in this deal.[/quote]

Why? Bill Walker and Courtney Lee are about equal, and so I don't think trading Hill + a protected first for Kaman, an all-star last year, is a bad deal at all.

[3StarburyAriza21]

[quote="yossixbean11"]I'm not sure the Knicks are allowed to trade their 2011 pick because Houston right now has the option to swap it before anything can be traded.[/quote]

I think they are, because if Houston does swap, they can just trade Houston's pick.

[old rem]

I don't seriously think the Knicks are willing to give up that much,and don't think they feel they need to.
I don't think they want to get Harrington back. Probably their offer is more like w Chandler or Gallo, perhaps something like Douglas or Mosgov,and a rd 2...with the ps of...don't ask us for more-this is as good as it gets.

Were the Knicks offering Denver a deal where Denver about breaks even,that frantic effort to send him to NJ or ANYWHERE but NY, likely would not have dragged on.

Why else have there NOT been ongoing talks with NY with a lot of talk and buzz about each side wanting this and that?

[MitchSlapped]

I'm not sure the Knicks are allowed to trade their 2011 pick because Houston right now has the option to swap it before anything can be traded.

I think they are, because if Houston does swap, they can just trade Houston's pick.

Yeah but Rockets need to say like at the end of the season whether or not they decide to swap it or not. Until then, the Knicks cannot deal it.

[[RCG]]

I'd double check about the Knicks ability to trade first rounders.

[Mr. E]

There's an old saying by Darrell Royal: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me that it's raining."

You just took a long, slow piss on Houston's leg and there's not a cloud in the sky! This deal is borderline offensive for Houston. If Walker and Lee "are basically the same" then I'd just as soon keep Lee. Kaman would be an upgrade at center...but not at the cost of Yao's substantial expiring deal, a young big whom the Rockets are high on in Hill AND a first round pick. This is simply the Knicks somehow fleecing 3 teams - Houston most of all. You may think that I'm selling Kaman low; but you have to understand that we're a bit leary of big men with injury histories on long deals. If a Kaman deal were to happen I'd just as soon deal directly with the Clippers and not hurt my own franchise terribly just to do the Knicks a favor.

And before you continue to try to tell me that it is raining - Houston cannot trade either of their 2012 picks at this time because of the Terrance Williams deal.

DOA, dude!

[3StarburyAriza21]

[quote="Mr. E"]There's an old saying by Darrell Royal: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me that it's raining."

You just took a long, slow piss on Houston's leg and there's not a cloud in the sky! This deal is borderline offensive for Houston. If Walker and Lee "are basically the same" then I'd just as soon keep Lee. Kaman would be an upgrade at center...but not at the cost of Yao's substantial expiring deal, a young big whom the Rockets are high on in Hill AND a first round pick. This is simply the Knicks somehow fleecing 3 teams - Houston most of all. You may think that I'm selling Kaman low; but you have to understand that we're a bit leary of big men with injury histories on long deals. If a Kaman deal were to happen I'd just as soon deal directly with the Clippers and not hurt my own franchise terribly just to do the Knicks a favor.

And before you continue to try to tell me that it is raining - Houston cannot trade either of their 2012 picks at this time because of the Terrance Williams deal.

DOA, dude! [/quote]

Fair enough, thanks. I tried.

[nykstevenyg]

Trade would never happen. From each teams perpective:

Rockets: TERRIBLE Trading assets..draft pick..for KAMAN AND BILL WALKER LOL

Clippers: GREAT TRADE FOR THEM

Nuggets: Good trade

Knicks: Not great but if we get melo so be it.but we are parting with a bit to much. Would like to keep fields or Mozgov in that scenerio. Problem is we do not solve our rebounding problem and fleece ourselves of any future asset to solve it.

[nykstevenyg]

I may add I would only be willing to take back harrington if we give less assets up by giving the nuggets cap relief. This trade has us bring back harrington and trade 2 Key players..1 player who just came on and another who is an asset to us. It is not a wise deal for us.

[ipfreely]

Whilst the Clippers could use Chandler, should Anthony make it to NY I would think they could have him for pennies on the dollar. Kaman is expendable but Aminu is not for this package.

Courtney Lee, Hill and Curry are not really making us any stronger.

Clippers will wait for a better deal.

[Mr. E]

Fair enough, thanks. I tried.

Keep trying, dude! Talking trades like this is what makes this place fun for everyone!

[swisscheeseD]

Same teams involved with a twist....

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4e2e7kb

Why for NY?

Guarantee Melo now and get an additional big to bolster the front court. I don't want to deal Landry, I'd much rather wait til the offseason...but he may be the price you pay if Walsh wants to secure Melo and his extension while giving Stat/Melo an additional playoff run together. Adding the additional salary would put the Knicks over the cap heading into the off-season and would allow them to use their MLE to make further improvements should the new CBA grant them the power to do so.

Why for Denver?

They get 3 solid cost-controlled prospects at different positions to rebuild with. They rid themselves of Bird and Balk's longer termed salary and save $6 million in Luxury Tax money with additional savings in Curry's front-loaded expiring (Not sure how much exactly) and an additional $3 million in prorated salary from sending out more $ than they receive. I couldn't figure out a way to figure Harrington in this deal without it making any sense, but his contract isn't terrible per say...his last two years are partially guaranteed and his scoring and vet leadership (believe it or not) will not be a burden in keeping him on board. If anything, I'm sure he could be moved to a contender looking for scoring off the bench at some point next season for a lesser deal.

Why for Houston?

They fill the void left by Yao at the 5 with Kaman. He would be an excellent fit in Adelman's system. Skilled 7fters don't grow on trees and landing one in his prime would be a solid addition. The prospect they give up in this trade is Jordan Hill, but they receive Anthony Randolph in return. Should Denver rather have AR, then Hill wouldn't have to be part of this deal.

Why for LA?

They add a solid young and athletic swingman in Chandler who would fit right in with their already promising core. Chandler has flourished in NY as a 3rd option and would be sure to do the same in the big market that is LA. Moving Kaman allows the Clip to sign Chandler to an extension and getting a serviceable vet big to replace him makes this deal that much more enticing. Aminu is a solid prospect and I'm not sure just how high the Clip front office is on him, but Chandler is definitely an upgrade with upside himself...and Miller would fit like a glove behing DJ doing what he does best, spacing the floor and passing the rock.

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Didn't mean to hijack your thread with my own proposal. I figured it didn't deserve its own thread seeing as how it's just a spin of your original proposal with the same teams involved. Don't mean to step on toes.

So what do you guys think?

[djthesonicsfan]

I don't seriously think the Knicks are willing to give up that much, and don't think they feel they need to. I don't think they want to get Harrington back. Probably their offer is more like w Chandler or Gallo, perhaps something like Douglas or Mosgov,and a rd 2...with the ps of...don't ask us for more-this is as good as it gets.

+1 (my bet is that it'll be Chandler)

[Rockice_8]

I don't seriously think the Knicks are willing to give up that much, and don't think they feel they need to. I don't think they want to get Harrington back. Probably their offer is more like w Chandler or Gallo, perhaps something like Douglas or Mosgov,and a rd 2...with the ps of...don't ask us for more-this is as good as it gets.

+1 (my bet is that it'll be Chandler)

Wait so NY giving up a guy due a large contract who they most likely are going to lose in the quest for Melo if it goes to the offseason plus a nice role playing rookie and a bunch of crap is going to land Carmelo. Just because you take Harrington doesn't make it better since he's on a reasonable contract for his ability.

I think DEN and HOU hang up quite quickly

[3StarburyAriza21]

[quote="swisscheeseD"]Same teams involved with a twist....

[quote]
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4e2e7kb

[b]Why for NY?[/b]

Guarantee Melo now and get an additional big to bolster the front court. I don't want to deal Landry, I'd much rather wait til the offseason...but he may be the price you pay if Walsh wants to secure Melo and his extension while giving Stat/Melo an additional playoff run together. Adding the additional salary would put the Knicks over the cap heading into the off-season and would allow them to use their MLE to make further improvements should the new CBA grant them the power to do so.

[b]Why for Denver?[/b]

They get 3 solid cost-controlled prospects at different positions to rebuild with. They rid themselves of Bird and Balk's longer termed salary and save $6 million in Luxury Tax money with additional savings in Curry's front-loaded expiring (Not sure how much exactly) and an additional $3 million in prorated salary from sending out more $ than they receive. I couldn't figure out a way to figure Harrington in this deal without it making any sense, but his contract isn't terrible per say...his last two years are partially guaranteed and his scoring and vet leadership (believe it or not) will not be a burden in keeping him on board. If anything, I'm sure he could be moved to a contender looking for scoring off the bench at some point next season for a lesser deal.

[b]Why for Houston?[/b]

They fill the void left by Yao at the 5 with Kaman. He would be an excellent fit in Adelman's system. Skilled 7fters don't grow on trees and landing one in his prime would be a solid addition. The prospect they give up in this trade is Jordan Hill, but they receive Anthony Randolph in return. Should Denver rather have AR, then Hill wouldn't have to be part of this deal.

[b]Why for LA?[/b]

They add a solid young and athletic swingman in Chandler who would fit right in with their already promising core. Chandler has flourished in NY as a 3rd option and would be sure to do the same in the big market that is LA. Moving Kaman allows the Clip to sign Chandler to an extension and getting a serviceable vet big to replace him makes this deal that much more enticing. Aminu is a solid prospect and I'm not sure just how high the Clip front office is on him, but Chandler is definitely an upgrade with upside himself...and Miller would fit like a glove behing DJ doing what he does best, spacing the floor and passing the rock.[/quote]
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Didn't mean to hijack your thread with my own proposal. I figured it didn't deserve its own thread seeing as how it's just a spin of your original proposal with the same teams involved. Don't mean to step on toes.

So what do you guys think?[/quote]

I like it for the first three, but I personally don't think the Clippers would do it, unless they really want to get rid of Kaman's contract for cap relief. But right now, he's still an all-star caliber center who they can get something for, so I don't think they would give him up with a young prospect like Aminu just to get Chandler.

As for my trade, I originally didn't have Houston giving up a first, would that possibly make it more feasable? To me giving up Jordan Hill to get a talent like Kaman seems like something that would be worth it for them.