UTAH - MIN - DET

[the_bruce]

UTAH OUT: #12, bell
UTAH IN: #20 + future UTA pick returned, Ellington

DET OUT: Rip #8
DET IN: Webster, Flynn, Tolliver, #12

MIN OUT: Tolliver, Webster, Ellington, Flynn, #20, future Utah pick
MIN IN: Bell, Rip, #8


Why for UTAH?
They move Bells contract and replace him with a young three point specialist. I think they can decline ellingtons option next year so he'd be expiring, but can be used as guard filler and is cheaper with less long term $$$ tied to him. He can probably be left out too. The value of the pick returned depends how good you think utah will be next season. At the end of the season they were playing .500 ball and Big all went back to his 20 11 2 ways the last few months of the season. I think the Jazz pay out the pick next season as I believe its top 12 protected. So probably a 12-20 pick in a much more talented draft, plus the MEM pick @20 which could net player they could use. Marshon Brooks is a great fit imo if he doesn't sky rocket up the board.

Why for DET?
They move down 4 spots in the draft and ditch out on the long term money committed to Rip. They save a little money this season 2-3m. They also get a recently drafted PG that had a disappointing sophmore season post hip injury, but they have seen what Flynn is capable of first hand as he had his best assist game against them this season when he tallied up 14 assists abusing the pick and roll. Webster is an expiring who looked great in preseason, but never quite put it together after his back surgery. I'd actually like to keep him, but he's needed for salary unless pek or darko is subbed in for him. Tolliver provides some depth, defensive chops, and is a solid stretch 4 signed for cheap and also expires.

Why for MN?
Add some vets who even at their advancing age are probably an upgrade defensively. Get another pick which is in the range Biyombo could fall to. Mostly just a deal to spice up the MN #2 pick threads.

[RTM]

If I'm Detroit, I'd happily move down 4 spots to dump Rip and pick up Flynn in the process. Flynn is still an unknown, IMO. He was a square peg in a round hole in Minny's triangle-ish offense. I'd like to see him in a new environment. I personally like Webster a lot too.

Flynn / Bynum
Stuckey (?) / Gordon / White
Daye / Webster
Jerebko (?) / Villanueva / Tolliver
Monroe / Wallace / Maxiell
+ 12, 33

Look good to me.

[shangrila]

Eh, I'd probably pass. It's a LOT of age and money to take on for the 8th pick in a weak draft and, assuming they wouldn't trade the #2 because they just got their veterans in this deal, you'd have Johnson, Williams and Beasley all fighting for minutes at the 3.

There's just not enough value to justify unbalancing the roster so much.

[Blkbrd671]

switch rip with bg

[shrink]

I like your out of the box thinking bruce.

I think UTA is unnecessary here, and the 20 is plenty. Moving Rip's $25 mil ($22 guaranteed) is a big deal, and it'd be nice to replace the frustrated Rip with the great character Flynn in the clubhouse. RTM is right - Flynn is stuck in a system completely antithetical to his skill set, and he's a low risk shot at a decent player if he's moved to a different team.

Also, I'd prefer Rip over Gordon. If there is a new Allan Houston clause in the next CBA, MIN actually has the chance to use it, since they could be over the lux in 2012 with new contracts to Love, Beasley and Randolph, plus any MLE or Free Agent they acquire over the next two summers. Gordon is a decent player, but he's too expensive for his bad fit here in MIN.

[[RCG]]

Not a bad idea.

[coolness]

Cool idea for Detroit. And, you never know, sometimes there is a surprise at #12. Heck, look at who the Lions got with their pick this year. He just fell and fell and fell...

I would probably not re-sign Stuckey if this happened. It's dangerous to let him walk, but it's dangerous to keep him for Mike Conley Jr. type money...

[BringtheD]

If u can somehow get the 12 pick to magically turn into a n 8 pick the Jazz are listening. After the first 11 or 12 prospects, the rest of the draft is a legitimate scrap bin. Jazz would probably move up, just to make sure they get someone they really like, but they might get that player at 12 anyway, so there isn't much incentive, but there might be something that can be worked out.

[coordinator0]

Cool idea for Detroit. And, you never know, sometimes there is a surprise at #12. Heck, look at who the Lions got with their pick this year. He just fell and fell and fell...

I would probably not re-sign Stuckey if this happened. It's dangerous to let him walk, but it's dangerous to keep him for Mike Conley Jr. type money...

So you would be fine with a Flynn-Gordon backcourt? I know I wouldn't. I'd keep Stuckey and use him at SG. With a new CBA it's hard to believe he'll get anything close to Conley's deal.

As for the deal, it's not bad. Moving down only four spots while dumping Rip sounds good and I'd like to see what Flynn can do here.

[dVs33]

I really like this trade for Detroit.
Flynn would be a great pickup and moving Rip would be ideal. The move down is fair compensation for that IMO given the lack of depth in this years draft.

[the_bruce]

Eh, I'd probably pass. It's a LOT of age and money to take on for the 8th pick in a weak draft and, assuming they wouldn't trade the #2 because they just got their veterans in this deal, you'd have Johnson, Williams and Beasley all fighting for minutes at the 3.

There's just not enough value to justify unbalancing the roster so much.

Roster doesn't seem to unbalanced to me even if we just assume williams is picked/kept. We have two very solid units. In foul trouble situations we have Pek to mop up any additional C minutes, Bell to mop up additional G minutes.

Biyombo/Darko
Love/Randolph
Beas/Williams
Wes/Rip
Rubio/Ridnour

[jazzfan1971]

Seems like a good deal to me.

[ballhawk1]

UTAH OUT: #12, bell
UTAH IN: #20 + future UTA pick returned, Ellington

DET OUT: Rip #8
DET IN: Webster, Flynn, Tolliver, #12

MIN OUT: Tolliver, Webster, Ellington, Flynn, #20, future Utah pick
MIN IN: Bell, Rip, #8


Why for UTAH?
They move Bells contract and replace him with a young three point specialist. I think they can decline ellingtons option next year so he'd be expiring, but can be used as guard filler and is cheaper with less long term $$$ tied to him. He can probably be left out too. The value of the pick returned depends how good you think utah will be next season. At the end of the season they were playing .500 ball and Big all went back to his 20 11 2 ways the last few months of the season. I think the Jazz pay out the pick next season as I believe its top 12 protected. So probably a 12-20 pick in a much more talented draft, plus the MEM pick @20 which could net player they could use. Marshon Brooks is a great fit imo if he doesn't sky rocket up the board.

Why for DET?
They move down 4 spots in the draft and ditch out on the long term money committed to Rip. They save a little money this season 2-3m. They also get a recently drafted PG that had a disappointing sophmore season post hip injury, but they have seen what Flynn is capable of first hand as he had his best assist game against them this season when he tallied up 14 assists abusing the pick and roll. Webster is an expiring who looked great in preseason, but never quite put it together after his back surgery. I'd actually like to keep him, but he's needed for salary unless pek or darko is subbed in for him. Tolliver provides some depth, defensive chops, and is a solid stretch 4 signed for cheap and also expires.

Why for MN?
Add some vets who even at their advancing age are probably an upgrade defensively. Get another pick which is in the range Biyombo could fall to. Mostly just a deal to spice up the MN #2 pick threads.

DET takes a bit of risk with Flynn due to his hip injury. That said, it is a good all around trade for all teams involved.

[Kumar]

If Biyombo is at #8 then yes from MN. Eat Rip's remaining 2yrs for Biyombo? Sure. The future UTAH pick is so heavily protected that the Pups will likely never get value from it anyway.

Deal is a little too good for DET though. Shed Rip's contract. Move down only 4 spots. Pick up a nice player in Flynn (and Webster). Perhaps they can give a little more or take back Darko - how awesome would that be?

[dVs33]

^^ Not very awesome... haha

I think it's pretty fair as is. Flynn is by no means a sure thing and Rip, despite his issues with Kuester, is still a good player just in the wrong situation. Also his contract isn't as bad now with the upcoming lock-out.