Lance Stephenson's trade value

[Lost Angel]

i'm really curious. i've seen some people rate him highly while others dont think he's any good at all.


just to start discussion, is Lance Stephenson worth Ramon Sessions + future pic?

more or less?

[Baddy Chuck]

If that future pick is a first, no.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Discussed up until about 2 days ago on this forum...

[8305]

If that future pick is a first, no.

So take out Sessions and continue with this in Cleveland terms.
A. Pick 19
B. Pick 31 and 33
C. Pick 33
D. None of the above

Fwiw I think Stephenson is more a player than Waiters. Bigger, stronger, better rebounder and defender. Not saying he's better in every way but, on the same contract I doubt if most Pacer fans would do a straight Stephenson/ Waiters trade

[Scoot McGroot]

If that future pick is a first, no.

So take out Sessions and continue with this in Cleveland terms.
A. Pick 19
B. Pick 31 and 33
C. Pick 33
D. None of the above

Fwiw I think Stephenson is more a player than Waiters. Bigger, stronger, better rebounder and defender. Not saying he's better in every way but, on the same contract I doubt if most Pacer fans would do a straight Stephenson/ Waiters trade

We'd be silly not to. Waiters is going to be a VERY good offensive talent. Obviously, Lance is a much better defender and rebounder, but Waiters could be special on offense.

[Baddy Chuck]

If that future pick is a first, no.

So take out Sessions and continue with this in Cleveland terms.
A. Pick 19
B. Pick 31 and 33
C. Pick 33
D. None of the above

Fwiw I think Stephenson is more a player than Waiters. Bigger, stronger, better rebounder and defender. Not saying he's better in every way but, on the same contract I doubt if most Pacer fans would do a straight Stephenson/ Waiters trade

Probably B, but I don't think thats worth a whole lot less then 19. As for the whole Waiters thing, I don't like Waiters at all, but I think you're wrong. Not sure, but I'm guessing you have to be a Pacers fan. I'm a big Cincy fan so I have a higher opinion of Stephenson then a lot of people, especially coming out of college, but his potential is a role player. On top of that he's 1 year away from getting a new contract. I think you overrate his value as a player and as a "value" player.

[8305]

I get that his value has to be discounted because of changing contract conditions. You also have the knucklehead factor that has gotten a lot of run on the Pacer board recently.

He could implode some day and I wouldn't be shocked. But, if he keeps himself together he could be an Andre Iguadala type role player

Am I missing something on Waiters? I thought he was a reach in last year's draft. He was able to score before the year was over but, as a two isn't he a little undersized? Is there a position he can defend?

[Baddy Chuck]

He could implode some day and I wouldn't be shocked. But, if he keeps himself together he could be an Andre Iguadala type role player

And to that I'd say you're nuts.

[Scoot McGroot]

I get that his value has to be discounted because of changing contract conditions. You also have the knucklehead factor that has gotten a lot of run on the Pacer board recently.

He could implode some day and I wouldn't be shocked. But, if he keeps himself together he could be an Andre Iguadala type role player

Am I missing something on Waiters? I thought he was a reach in last year's draft. He was able to score before the year was over but, as a two isn't he a little undersized? Is there a position he can defend?

He's an undersized, ball dominant 2 guard that is best with the ball in his hands. However, he's a dynamite scorer. His defense is iffy, at best, right now, but has the potential to be better. Mostly, he'd be best guarding PG's. I don't think he's a great match long-term with Kyrie. He'd be GREAT with a taller PG, like a Vasquez.

[ejftw]

Lance + G. Green for Hill's expirer + W. Green + 2nd?

[8305]

He could implode some day and I wouldn't be shocked. But, if he keeps himself together he could be an Andre Iguadala type role player

And to that I'd say you're nuts.

Ok, maybe a little strong but which skill set have I misidentified.

Excellent handle
Ability to get to the basket
Lockdown defender
Creative passer
Suspect shooter

Lance hasn't put all those skills together on a consistent yet but, in the playoffs you began to see the possibility.

[8305]

I get that his value has to be discounted because of changing contract conditions. You also have the knucklehead factor that has gotten a lot of run on the Pacer board recently.

He could implode some day and I wouldn't be shocked. But, if he keeps himself together he could be an Andre Iguadala type role player

Am I missing something on Waiters? I thought he was a reach in last year's draft. He was able to score before the year was over but, as a two isn't he a little undersized? Is there a position he can defend?

He's an undersized, ball dominant 2 guard that is best with the ball in his hands. However, he's a dynamite scorer. His defense is iffy, at best, right now, but has the potential to be better. Mostly, he'd be best guarding PG's. I don't think he's a great match long-term with Kyrie. He'd be GREAT with a taller PG, like a Vasquez.

Trying to think of a comparable, Ben Gordon?

[Scoot McGroot]

I get that his value has to be discounted because of changing contract conditions. You also have the knucklehead factor that has gotten a lot of run on the Pacer board recently.

He could implode some day and I wouldn't be shocked. But, if he keeps himself together he could be an Andre Iguadala type role player

Am I missing something on Waiters? I thought he was a reach in last year's draft. He was able to score before the year was over but, as a two isn't he a little undersized? Is there a position he can defend?

He's an undersized, ball dominant 2 guard that is best with the ball in his hands. However, he's a dynamite scorer. His defense is iffy, at best, right now, but has the potential to be better. Mostly, he'd be best guarding PG's. I don't think he's a great match long-term with Kyrie. He'd be GREAT with a taller PG, like a Vasquez.

Trying to think of a comparable, Ben Gordon?

Possibly, but with a chance to be a better ball handler/combo guard and he's on a rookie contract for 3 more years.

[Scoot McGroot]

Lance + G. Green for Hill's expirer + W. Green + 2nd?

So, Lance to dump GGreen for nothing? Big pass.

[ejftw]

Didn't think so...just thought it was worth a shot.

[NashtyNas]

I get that his value has to be discounted because of changing contract conditions. You also have the knucklehead factor that has gotten a lot of run on the Pacer board recently.

He could implode some day and I wouldn't be shocked. But, if he keeps himself together he could be an Andre Iguadala type role player

Am I missing something on Waiters? I thought he was a reach in last year's draft. He was able to score before the year was over but, as a two isn't he a little undersized? Is there a position he can defend?

Let's get 2 things straight:
A) Just because Iggy doesn't score like LeBron or Durant does not mean he's a "role player" (quotations because everyone fills a role and can therefore be considered a "role player")
B) Stephenson will never be as good as Iggy. He doesn't have the mental capacity to be the type of smart, calculated player that Iggy is.

Stephenson is extremely valuable to Indy because he excels at all the little things and is on a cheap contract - much like all the other 3&D wings on all the other teams - no one is giving up the sort of value Indy would be looking for in a trade.