Andre Miller on Denver's trading block

[azwfan]

No speights is a terrible contract, and bazemore is nowhere near good enough to cut other guaranteed contracts to add on the roster, not to mention incentive to take back a terrible deal on top of him,

Speights is a terrible player, not a terrible contract. He's expires after next season. If Denver is looking to cut longterm salary a Hickson for Speights swap saves Denver some cash. Unfortunately, i don't think the W's could take on Miller's salary, and absorb the 1.5M difference in salary this year (between Hickson and Speights) and still stay under the LT. Somehow i don't think that's what Denver would be looking for anyways.

Denver might be on the outside of the playoff picture looking in now, but i think they are buyers and not looking to merely shed salary, they want to get better.

Dre Miller is a unique situation where they want to get rid of the person. I don't see the Warriors offering anything that makes Denver better this year, so my guess is Miller only ends up in a Warriors uniform if Denver can't find anything reasonably good out there.

Warriors best offer:
Douglas for Dre Miller. It puts the Warriors right below the LT line, saves Denver some money and gets them someone who is capable.

So a terrible player guaranteed $7.2 million over the next 2 years is not a terrible contract? You always like your terrible players to make more than the mini MLE? Personally I prefer they are not on the team at all, but if they are the minimum is appropriate, meaning this guys makes 3 times his value every year, so tell me again how that is a decent contract?

Uh, yeah, Speights is worth is contract. If Speights' contract is terrible what is Millers? Also 7 million guaranteed over the next two years and he's not playing at all. If you want him to play next year, it'll cost more money. By your logic Speights has a better contract than Miller.

[SuperflyKnick]

How about i give you JR smith for Andre Miller

[ILOVEIT]

Warriors Douglas for Miller is about right.....Douglas is cheap...fills a roll on a tanking franchise....

Miller is needed big time for Warriors bench.

[The Rebel]

Speights is a terrible player, not a terrible contract. He's expires after next season. If Denver is looking to cut longterm salary a Hickson for Speights swap saves Denver some cash. Unfortunately, i don't think the W's could take on Miller's salary, and absorb the 1.5M difference in salary this year (between Hickson and Speights) and still stay under the LT. Somehow i don't think that's what Denver would be looking for anyways.

Denver might be on the outside of the playoff picture looking in now, but i think they are buyers and not looking to merely shed salary, they want to get better.

Dre Miller is a unique situation where they want to get rid of the person. I don't see the Warriors offering anything that makes Denver better this year, so my guess is Miller only ends up in a Warriors uniform if Denver can't find anything reasonably good out there.

Warriors best offer:
Douglas for Dre Miller. It puts the Warriors right below the LT line, saves Denver some money and gets them someone who is capable.

So a terrible player guaranteed $7.2 million over the next 2 years is not a terrible contract? You always like your terrible players to make more than the mini MLE? Personally I prefer they are not on the team at all, but if they are the minimum is appropriate, meaning this guys makes 3 times his value every year, so tell me again how that is a decent contract?

Uh, yeah, Speights is worth is contract. If Speights' contract is terrible what is Millers? Also 7 million guaranteed over the next two years and he's not playing at all. If you want him to play next year, it'll cost more money. By your logic Speights has a better contract than Miller.

Uh No a big playing 12 mpg while shooting 39% and only grabbing 3.5 rebounds per game while being a terrible defender is not worth $3.6 million per year, and even most GS fans acknowledge that. Also what logic are you saying that I am using?

It obviously could not be that I have watched both guys play plenty throughout their careers and even this year, otherwise you would realize there is no comparison between Andre Miller and Speights, nor are you using actual results from games, where Andre is a nice positive player, while Speights is a -21 pp100p just on offensive possessions. Nope your argument must just be that Miller gets paid more, so is worth less, because it is not based on actual performance, which your right is pretty terrible logic.

[The Rebel]

Warriors Douglas for Miller is about right.....Douglas is cheap...fills a roll on a tanking franchise....

Miller is needed big time for Warriors bench.

Who's tanking?

[old rem]

speights and bazemore for miller?

No speights is a terrible contract, and bazemore is nowhere near good enough to cut other guaranteed contracts to add on the roster, not to mention incentive to take back a terrible deal on top of him,

Miller has looked pretty over the hill and while he still can do some things, he can't do others. Speights is not much $ at all and for GSW...he's the #2 C till JO/Ezeli can play. That Miller can be dumped at $2 mill...not $4.5 is news...since it's somewhat doubtfull there's any tread on the tires a year from now. I don't see GSW much wanting him now. A few years ago...sure. If he was not okay as #2 at Denver...is he happy as #3 at GSW?

[The Rebel]

speights and bazemore for miller?

No speights is a terrible contract, and bazemore is nowhere near good enough to cut other guaranteed contracts to add on the roster, not to mention incentive to take back a terrible deal on top of him,

Miller has looked pretty over the hill and while he still can do some things, he can't do others. Speights is not much $ at all and for GSW...he's the #2 C till JO/Ezeli can play. That Miller can be dumped at $2 mill...not $4.5 is news...since it's somewhat doubtfull there's any tread on the tires a year from now. I don't see GSW much wanting him now. A few years ago...sure. If he was not okay as #2 at Denver...is he happy as #3 at GSW?

Miller has been very productive in limited minutes this year, and while his defense is lacking it is not worse then Speights. As for Speights, he is terrible and regardless of how big his contract is, it is 3 times too much for his lack of production.

Also I am not the one saying that the Warriors are interested, it is national articles and Warriors posters in here trying to trade for him.

[Texas Chuck]

I love Dre Miller and had we not been able to sign a real pg this year I would kill to have him in Dallas. I'd still like him, but with Larkin needing minutes and hopefully Devin returning later this month we don't have a giant need for him and we don't have a good contract to match. Best we could do would be Ellington+Larkin which I think Denver would consider, but I don't think I'd do it. Close tho--if we didnt have our other holes I would be more willing, but our defense and rebounding simply arent nearly good enough.

Love Dre tho.

[LPKingsFan]

Kings are said to be interested, and have spare SGs. Could do either Jimmer + filler (Outlaw? He's on the books for 2014, though) for Miller or Thornton for Miller + filler (Randolph?). Not sure which Denver would prefer, if either.

[The Rebel]

Kings are said to be interested, and have spare SGs. Could do either Jimmer + filler (Outlaw? He's on the books for 2014, though) for Miller or Thornton for Miller + filler (Randolph?). Not sure which Denver would prefer, if either.

Actually I would not mind something around Thompson for Miller, of course the Kings will probably need to send a guard of some sorts to keep their guys happy, and the Nuggets would have to add in a big of some sort.

My actual preference would be something like Thompson and Jimmer for Miller and Hickson, but I do not see HIckson being a good fit next to Cousins, which means the deal I could see working for both sides if the Nuggets decide to take long term salary would be the Nuggets sending back Randolph instead of Hickson.

[AingesBurner]

Rush and J. Lucas 3 for Andre Miller and 2016 Denver 2nd?

[azwfan]

So a terrible player guaranteed $7.2 million over the next 2 years is not a terrible contract? You always like your terrible players to make more than the mini MLE? Personally I prefer they are not on the team at all, but if they are the minimum is appropriate, meaning this guys makes 3 times his value every year, so tell me again how that is a decent contract?

Uh, yeah, Speights is worth is contract. If Speights' contract is terrible what is Millers? Also 7 million guaranteed over the next two years and he's not playing at all. If you want him to play next year, it'll cost more money. By your logic Speights has a better contract than Miller.

Uh No a big playing 12 mpg while shooting 39% and only grabbing 3.5 rebounds per game while being a terrible defender is not worth $3.6 million per year, and even most GS fans acknowledge that. Also what logic are you saying that I am using?

It obviously could not be that I have watched both guys play plenty throughout their careers and even this year, otherwise you would realize there is no comparison between Andre Miller and Speights, nor are you using actual results from games, where Andre is a nice positive player, while Speights is a -21 pp100p just on offensive possessions. Nope your argument must just be that Miller gets paid more, so is worth less, because it is not based on actual performance, which your right is pretty terrible logic.

3.6M for a backup big is not a terrible contract. Andris Biedrins... that was a terrible contract. Richard Jefferson, that was a terrible contract. Danny Fortson, Adonal Foyle, those were terrible. I've seen plenty a terrible contract in my days as a Warriors fan, Mo Speights does not have a terrible contract.

Andre Miller right now, for the Nuggets, is producing NOTHING. So paying him anything is a bad deal (for the Nuggets). So Speights can't possibly be worse since at least he does... something. Especially with the W's, the alternative to Speights is Kuzmic. Now Kuzmic really is terrible and doesn't belong on an NBA roster. Speights does, he really is just, sub par.

[The Rebel]

Uh No a big playing 12 mpg while shooting 39% and only grabbing 3.5 rebounds per game while being a terrible defender is not worth $3.6 million per year, and even most GS fans acknowledge that. Also what logic are you saying that I am using?

It obviously could not be that I have watched both guys play plenty throughout their careers and even this year, otherwise you would realize there is no comparison between Andre Miller and Speights, nor are you using actual results from games, where Andre is a nice positive player, while Speights is a -21 pp100p just on offensive possessions. Nope your argument must just be that Miller gets paid more, so is worth less, because it is not based on actual performance, which your right is pretty terrible logic.

3.6M for a backup big is not a terrible contract. Andris Biedrins... that was a terrible contract. Richard Jefferson, that was a terrible contract. Danny Fortson, Adonal Foyle, those were terrible. I've seen plenty a terrible contract in my days as a Warriors fan, Mo Speights does not have a terrible contract.

Just because the guy gets a few minutes does not make him a viable backup big, he has went from a bad player to a terrible player who would not be getting minutes if not for being on a team with a lack of bigs and injury problems.

Andre Miller right now, for the Nuggets, is producing NOTHING. So paying him anything is a bad deal (for the Nuggets). So Speights can't possibly be worse since at least he does... something. Especially with the W's, the alternative to Speights is Kuzmic. Now Kuzmic really is terrible and doesn't belong on an NBA roster. Speights does, he really is just, sub par.

Andre has missed 2 games, in the last 2+ years, and he is a productive player, just in a situation with a rookie coach who is power tripping. according to this tweet there are teams calling the Nuggets, and the Kings are heavily pursuing him,

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/420323129714413569[/tweet]

But keep arguing that Miller is a bad contract and that Speights is not a bad deal.

[hokageinfamus]

what about a three team deal?

Andre Miller and Victor Claver to Sacramento

Thomas Robinson to Denver

Jason Thompson to Portland


Kings get Miller who can mentor Thomas

Denver get a young athletic big who could play some minutes on a team that's not trying to contend

Portland gets a solid backup in Thompson

[The Rebel]

what about a three team deal?

Andre Miller and Victor Claver to Sacramento

Thomas Robinson to Denver

Jason Thompson to Portland


Kings get Miller who can mentor Thomas

Denver get a young athletic big who could play some minutes on a team that's not trying to contend

Portland gets a solid backup in Thompson

Robinson is a terrible fit for the Nuggets, he is not big enough to play center, and they have plenty of PFs.

[jumpboi92]

Kings are said to be interested, and have spare SGs. Could do either Jimmer + filler (Outlaw? He's on the books for 2014, though) for Miller or Thornton for Miller + filler (Randolph?). Not sure which Denver would prefer, if either.

Actually I would not mind something around Thompson for Miller, of course the Kings will probably need to send a guard of some sorts to keep their guys happy, and the Nuggets would have to add in a big of some sort.

My actual preference would be something like Thompson and Jimmer for Miller and Hickson, but I do not see HIckson being a good fit next to Cousins, which means the deal I could see working for both sides if the Nuggets decide to take long term salary would be the Nuggets sending back Randolph instead of Hickson.

How much does Denver value Arthur? I wouldn't mind trading Thompson and Jimmer for Miller and Arthur

[azwfan]

Uh No a big playing 12 mpg while shooting 39% and only grabbing 3.5 rebounds per game while being a terrible defender is not worth $3.6 million per year, and even most GS fans acknowledge that. Also what logic are you saying that I am using?

It obviously could not be that I have watched both guys play plenty throughout their careers and even this year, otherwise you would realize there is no comparison between Andre Miller and Speights, nor are you using actual results from games, where Andre is a nice positive player, while Speights is a -21 pp100p just on offensive possessions. Nope your argument must just be that Miller gets paid more, so is worth less, because it is not based on actual performance, which your right is pretty terrible logic.

3.6M for a backup big is not a terrible contract. Andris Biedrins... that was a terrible contract. Richard Jefferson, that was a terrible contract. Danny Fortson, Adonal Foyle, those were terrible. I've seen plenty a terrible contract in my days as a Warriors fan, Mo Speights does not have a terrible contract.

Just because the guy gets a few minutes does not make him a viable backup big, he has went from a bad player to a terrible player who would not be getting minutes if not for being on a team with a lack of bigs and injury problems.

Andre Miller right now, for the Nuggets, is producing NOTHING. So paying him anything is a bad deal (for the Nuggets). So Speights can't possibly be worse since at least he does... something. Especially with the W's, the alternative to Speights is Kuzmic. Now Kuzmic really is terrible and doesn't belong on an NBA roster. Speights does, he really is just, sub par.

Andre has missed 2 games, in the last 2+ years, and he is a productive player, just in a situation with a rookie coach who is power tripping. according to this tweet there are teams calling the Nuggets, and the Kings are heavily pursuing him,

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/420323129714413569[/tweet]

But keep arguing that Miller is a bad contract and that Speights is not a bad deal.

Keep assuming I haven't seen Miller play (despite him single handily winning a playoff game for you against us last year). But we're talking about now. And he's not playing now. From what i read, they told him to go away and now are looking to ship out of town ASAP.

Andre Miller is a terrible contract for the Nuggets. Because they aren't playing him. Its not that hard to understand. But keep arguing if you don't get it.

I don't think someone playing meaningful minutes making 7M over 2 years can be a terrible contract. It doesn't hamstring your cap and its not a lot of money. You're the one who thinks that. So keep at it.

[The Rebel]

Just because the guy gets a few minutes does not make him a viable backup big, he has went from a bad player to a terrible player who would not be getting minutes if not for being on a team with a lack of bigs and injury problems.

Andre Miller right now, for the Nuggets, is producing NOTHING. So paying him anything is a bad deal (for the Nuggets). So Speights can't possibly be worse since at least he does... something. Especially with the W's, the alternative to Speights is Kuzmic. Now Kuzmic really is terrible and doesn't belong on an NBA roster. Speights does, he really is just, sub par.

Andre has missed 2 games, in the last 2+ years, and he is a productive player, just in a situation with a rookie coach who is power tripping. according to this tweet there are teams calling the Nuggets, and the Kings are heavily pursuing him,

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/420323129714413569[/tweet]

But keep arguing that Miller is a bad contract and that Speights is not a bad deal.

Keep assuming I haven't seen Miller play (despite him single handily winning a playoff game for you against us last year). But we're talking about now. And he's not playing now. From what i read, they told him to go away and now are looking to ship out of town ASAP.

Andre Miller is a terrible contract for the Nuggets. Because they aren't playing him. Its not that hard to understand. But keep arguing if you don't get it.

I don't think someone playing meaningful minutes making 7M over 2 years can be a terrible contract. It doesn't hamstring your cap and its not a lot of money. You're the one who thinks that. So keep at it.

where did I say that you had never watched Miller? Also Miller is far from a terrible contract, he is a trade asset, they may be paying him to sit home for 4 days, but teams want him there are multiple reports that several teams including the Warriors would like to have him.

Speights on the other hand hurts your team on both ends, and I have yet to hear of anybody wanting him, not even warrior fans.

There is a huge difference between a terrible contract on a terrible player, and on a player that has trade value that is sitting for a handful of days while a trade is worked out. I do not know what is so hard to understand about that? You notice that despite the huge presence of warriors fans, not a single one is jumping into this stupid argument to even try to defend your stance.

[azwfan]

Just because the guy gets a few minutes does not make him a viable backup big, he has went from a bad player to a terrible player who would not be getting minutes if not for being on a team with a lack of bigs and injury problems.


Andre has missed 2 games, in the last 2+ years, and he is a productive player, just in a situation with a rookie coach who is power tripping. according to this tweet there are teams calling the Nuggets, and the Kings are heavily pursuing him,

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/420323129714413569[/tweet]

But keep arguing that Miller is a bad contract and that Speights is not a bad deal.

Keep assuming I haven't seen Miller play (despite him single handily winning a playoff game for you against us last year). But we're talking about now. And he's not playing now. From what i read, they told him to go away and now are looking to ship out of town ASAP.

Andre Miller is a terrible contract for the Nuggets. Because they aren't playing him. Its not that hard to understand. But keep arguing if you don't get it.

I don't think someone playing meaningful minutes making 7M over 2 years can be a terrible contract. It doesn't hamstring your cap and its not a lot of money. You're the one who thinks that. So keep at it.

where did I say that you had never watched Miller? Also Miller is far from a terrible contract, he is a trade asset, they may be paying him to sit home for 4 days, but teams want him there are multiple reports that several teams including the Warriors would like to have him.

Speights on the other hand hurts your team on both ends, and I have yet to hear of anybody wanting him, not even warrior fans.

There is a huge difference between a terrible contract on a terrible player, and on a player that has trade value that is sitting for a handful of days while a trade is worked out. I do not know what is so hard to understand about that? You notice that despite the huge presence of warriors fans, not a single one is jumping into this stupid argument to even try to defend your stance.

Not sure if you don't get it or don't want to get it. I don't really think Miller is a bad contract.

I simply said Speights doesn't have a terrible contract. 1 sentence in a 4 paragraph post. 3.6M/yr for 2 yrs (1 of which is nearly halfway completed) is not a terrible contract especially considering he plays meaningful minutes. You overstated your rejection of a bad offer by calling it his contract terrible. End of story. Get over it.