Jared Sullinger - trade value

Drax · Post #1 » by **Drax** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:34 pm

Just out of curiosity i'd like to know what the T&T board thinks of Jared Sullinger in terms of value, please Celtics fans let others talk first.

After he missed the second half of his rookie season due to the back issues that made him fall in the 2012 draft, he now is a consistent performer for the Celtics. Do you still think that this will hurt his value longterm? He played 116 out of 124 thats 93.5% of the games in the last two seasons, after he had back surgery midseason in his first year.

His stats don't look impressive on the first glance but he is still developing skills (adding a three-point-shot) that might hurt the overall performance. If his three-point-shot gets to a moderate percentage (currently at .303%) is his offensive game appealing arround the leauge? Personal note, i think he's got a big bag of tricks on offense that are somewhat hidden in this current Celtics offense, he'd tremendously would benefit in a slower paced halfcourt offense.

Due to the current situation of bigs on the Celtics, he's now getting some time again at the Center spot, do you think this hurts his value or is this something other teams might like? A small ball offensive center?

Just give me your thoughts. Would appreciate it.

Post #2 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:36 pm

I think he is a nice young affordable piece to include in a significant deal which is what ultimately I think what happens. His value as a stand-alone piece isn't high enough to justify Boston trading him. He's a good young player. Someone would give Boston a non-lotto pick for him, but again I think if Boston trades him it should be part of a package for a big piece.

LightTheBeam · Post #3 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:43 pm

Sully is a very good piece to have. Cheap, tough, still developing. I would think he is a B+ prospect in the way that you know he will probably never be an allstar but if things go right he can definitely carve out a Paul Millsap type career which IMO is not a bad thing at all.

As a Kings fan I would love to get my hands on him. Would offer Stauskas no problem and slightly more value if we had it offer!

beb0p · Post #4 » by **beb0p** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:11 pm

I think his low FG% is not impressing too many teams. He is neither a post scorer nor a stretch four (he does ok in both but not a specialist in either), he is neither a scorer nor a defender, and he is not an athletic freak that you can insert in some situations. There is no way a coach allows him to jack up 12+ shots a game in a normal setting. And I am not holding my breath on him becoming a real stretch four (although if that happens, his value will shoot up).

He is basically an above average rebounder who can occasionally score. Likely a career bench guy/occasional starter. As far as his value goes, it's probably not as high as Celtic fans hope it would be. With that said, he will carve out a nice long career as a journeyman and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Golabki · Post #5 » by **Golabki** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:37 pm

If Sully was going to be traded for a pick in the upcoming draft (which is unlikely, but just to give some context) I think a pick in the 2nd half of the lottery is probably reasonable, around #10 overall. Any higher and you're probably giving up too much potential upside. In the 20s is definitely not enough, MAYBE the 15-19 is enough, but I think probably not.

Golabki · Post #6 » by **Golabki** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:38 pm

If Sully was going to be traded for a pick in the upcoming draft (which is unlikely, but just to give some context) I think a pick in the 2nd half of the lottery is probably reasonable, around #10 overall. Any higher and you're probably giving up too much potential upside. In the 20s is definitely not enough, MAYBE the 15-19 is enough, but I think probably not.

RexBoyWonder · Post #7 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:43 pm

Golabki wrote:If Sully was going to be traded for a pick in the upcoming draft (which is unlikely, but just to give some context) I think a pick in the 2nd half of the lottery is probably reasonable, around #10 overall. Any higher and you're probably giving up too much potential upside. In the 20s is definitely not enough, MAYBE the 15-19 is enough, but I think probably not.

bluedorito · Post #8 » by **bluedorito** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:52 pm

beb0p wrote:I think his low FG% is not impressing too many teams. He is neither a post scorer nor a stretch four (he does ok in both but not a specialist in either), he is neither a scorer nor a defender, and he is not an athletic freak that you can insert in some situations. There is no way a coach allows him to jack up 12+ shots a game in a normal setting. And I am not holding my breath on him becoming a real stretch four (although if that happens, his value will shoot up).

He is basically an above average rebounder who can occasionally score. Likely a career bench guy/occasional starter. As far as his value goes, it's probably not as high as Celtic fans hope it would be. With that said, he will carve out a nice long career as a journeyman and there is nothing wrong with that.
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I think he is definitely a post scorer. I think Stevens is hindering his development by trying to turn him into a stretch 4, which is bringing down his FG%. Like the OP said, he would be much better suited to a slower halfcourt offense. His 2P% is very solid for a post up player, over 50%. Same as guys like Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson. Unless you watch him regularly you won't see just how skilled a player he is. He may have a limited ceiling due to his athleticism but I think he could definitely have a Z-Bo esque career.

Post #9 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:39 pm

I think Boston would be lucky to get a 1st round pick for him. He's undersized. I think his future in the league is as a first big off the bench. He might play healthy minutes as a reserve, but I don't see him starting due to defensive concerns.

Post #10 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:30 pm

If I get to watch the game tonight I'll try to form a better opinion on Sully. I've never been that high on him, but, I would like to give him another chance to impress me.

old rem · Post #11 » by **old rem** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:38 pm

Chuck Texas wrote:I think he is a nice young affordable piece to include in a significant deal which is what ultimately I think what happens. His value as a stand-alone piece isn't high enough to justify Boston trading him. He's a good young player. Someone would give Boston a non-lotto pick for him, but again I think if Boston trades him it should be part of a package for a big piece.

Well...we just saw him vs GSW. It looked as if he's re-gained some of the weight he had when he first got to Ohio St.. yet he was a major reason Boston was the eam that broke GSW's long string of home wins by13+. GSW won.. but it was close. At his "best weight" he's still a power guy but the mobility adds to his D. He is deep on "fundamentals". Were I the Boss Celtic.. I'd get him to drop the excess weight..and I keep him. Theey have a real good player..a smart guy with skills. They will have cap space, they have perhaps more picks than what they can use.

username_taken · Post #12 » by **username_taken** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:09 pm

Sully is a good piece and a guy you can build around as a 4th guy on a contender, maybe 3rd, he'd play quite well with better talent around him. Overall, I wouldn't deal him for pieces that would lengthen the rebuild, would likely only move him in a package for a lower tier star or better

Curmudgeon · Post #13 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:12 am

IMHO Sullinger is being significantly underrated in this thread. He rebounds. Excellent and willing passer. Outstanding hands. He's just not a highlight reel player.

If the Celtics relinquish Sullinger, it will be in a package that brings back a player like Aldridge or Horford. They're not letting him go for a pick in the 7-15 range.

Post #14 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:28 am

Curmudgeon wrote:IMHO Sullinger is being significantly underrated in this thread. He rebounds. Excellent and willing passer. Outstanding hands. He's just not a highlight reel player.

If the Celtics relinquish Sullinger, it will be in a package that brings back a player like Aldridge or Horford. They're not letting him go for a pick in the 7-15 range.

I think everyone is in agreement on the last part. Even if they have different reasons.

Post #15 » by **jazzfan1971** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:52 pm

I didn't get to see too much of the game last night. Sully was mostly invisible other than one 3pt shot he made in the time I did get to see.

Post #16 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:09 pm

Sully is a nice player, but mostly has value because he's on his rookie salary. Once he's overpaid, and long term, he'll have little to neutral value, especially that he's essentially a ticking bomb of injury issues with his physical makeup of back and legs. He's done a great job of better preparing (focusing on stretching, yoga, flexibility, warming up properly, etc), but he's eternally one bad stretch from missing a long run.

Curmudgeon · Post #17 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:24 pm

Oh I think his back issues were corrected with the surgery. His weight will always be an issue, but it's part of what makes him such an effective rebounder.

GopherIt! · Post #18 » by **GopherIt!** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:10 pm

Bluedoritolocostaco sayeth: "I think he is definitely a post scorer. I think Stevens is hindering his development by trying to turn him into a stretch 4, which is bringing down his FG%."

So Stevens is trying to Sully his reputation.

Post #19 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:53 pm

Wow @ the gap between Celtics opinion on his value and other fans. Celtic fans think he is worth Horford/Aldridge, other fans think its a late pick.

Personally, I think Sullinger looks like a good player but his combination of size/mobility is less than ideal. I think he is a player who can carve out a good nitch in this league using his BBIQ and can help a good team win as a bench player but is never going to have a ton of value.

Definitely not the center-piece getting you Aldridge or Horford though. That is just.... Well I just wont use the kind of language necessary.

Curmudgeon · Post #20 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:05 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Wow @ the gap between Celtics opinion on his value and other fans. Celtic fans think he is worth Horford/Aldridge, other fans think its a late pick.

Personally, I think Sullinger looks like a good player but his combination of size/mobility is less than ideal. I think he is a player who can carve out a good nitch in this league using his BBIQ and can help a good team win as a bench player but is never going to have a ton of value.

Definitely not the center-piece getting you Aldridge or Horford though. That is just.... Well I just wont use the kind of language necessary.

No, no, I said he would be part of a package to obtaIn a player like Aldridge or Horford. The package would include other players and picks. My point was that he's staying in Boston unless he helps to bring back a star caliber big man. No point in trading him otherwise, even after he comes off his rookie deal.

This year he has averaged 18 and 10 per 36 minutes. That's alot of production to replace.