Trade Value of the Suns' point guards?

[rein08]

The Phoenix Suns currently hold the 8th seed in a stacked Western Conference. In these past few games, Phoenix were somewhat unlucky with some losses coming from a buzzer beater. I don't know if they should retool but I'm intrigued what is the trade value of Dragic, Bledsoe, and Thomas. Goran Dragic obviously is the cream of the crop from the 3 guards. What can Phoenix get if they decide to let go of one of those 3 point guards?

[cammac]

Toronto would trade for Tyler Ennis for Lucas Nogueira the rest will be harder to move.

[cl2117]

Ainge likes IT, I bet he would happily move a first for him, but I doubt it'd be one of their own or Brooklyn's so I don't know if it'd be enough to interest Phoenix.

[rein08]

Ainge likes IT, I bet he would happily move a first for him, but I doubt it'd be one of their own or Brooklyn's so I don't know if it'd be enough to interest Phoenix.

Would the Clippers 2015 1st, Dallas' 2016 1st, and Marcus Smart net them Isaiah Thomas?

[cl2117]

Ainge likes IT, I bet he would happily move a first for him, but I doubt it'd be one of their own or Brooklyn's so I don't know if it'd be enough to interest Phoenix.

Would the Clippers 2015 1st, Dallas' 2016 1st, and Marcus Smart net them Isaiah Thomas?

I would hope so. That seems like an absolutely ridiculous overpayment for IT. There's no way Smart would be involved in any deal for IT, Ainge just drafted him #6 overall last year.

Realistically Ainge would most likely be only offering one of those 2 picks (hence why I thought it might not peak the Sun's interest). With the injuries that both teams have recently suffered there's a small chance either could end up a lottery pick because of how good the West is. I think Ainge would offer one of those picks and any of their expiring vets (Bass/Thornton/Prince) or they could accept him into their TPE from Rondo.

I don't think he'd put up much more than that with Smart having just been drafted to potentially take the PG reigns for the near future.

[MoneyTalks41890]

IT for Bass, Clips pick.

[LarsV8]

The league is over saturated with PGs right now so they won't hold much trade value.

[Higgs Boston]

People can't understand that ainge was interested in thomas because he was FA (free) and not in the trade (pay)? ainge wanted to use thomas as jordan crawford, or the substitute of thomas (turner), in other words: get free player and get assets for him. Maybe ainge isn't TOP GM in draft or FA/re-sign (probably he is worst GMs in the league in this aspect) but in trade-value he is intelligent, and will not give first round for a bench player in rebuilding.

[pad300]

OK, I'm pretty sure SAS wouldn't do this for "Basketball Reasons" (read loyalty), but

SAS gives Tony Parker + right to swap first round picks in 2016
for
Goran Dragic + Filler (literally any contract on the Phx roster, down to Archie Goodwin will do. They could even do something like sign Beasely or Tony Mitchell to a partially unguaranteed contract with their bird rights it should still work...)

Why for SAS - They think TP is too expensive for what he giving them and they think TD and Manu are retiring - they need to re-tool and this still keeps them in contention while dumping TP's contract. That gives them a bunch of space this summer; they will have the space to sign a max, or do other stuff..

Why for PHX? - 1) TP hasn't been healthy, but he's generally considered better than Dragic (eg. He's been an MVP candidate) 2) That pick swap in 2016 could be pretty sweet if TD and Manu retire, and 3) Dragic may leave this summer, (or get even more than TP's 12.5 Million; this summer could be pretty crazy for FA's given the new TV contract in the immediate future).

[bondom34]

OK, I'm pretty sure SAS wouldn't do this for "Basketball Reasons" (read loyalty), but

SAS gives Tony Parker + right to swap first round picks in 2016
for
Goran Dragic + Filler (literally any contract on the Phx roster, down to Archie Goodwin will do. They could even do something like sign Beasely or Tony Mitchell to a partially unguaranteed contract with their bird rights it should still work...)

Why for SAS - They think TP is too expensive for what he giving them and they think TD and Manu are retiring - they need to re-tool and this still keeps them in contention while dumping TP's contract. That gives them a bunch of space this summer; they will have the space to sign a max, or do other stuff..

Why for PHX? - 1) TP hasn't been healthy, but he's generally considered better than Dragic (eg. He's been an MVP candidate) 2) That pick swap in 2016 could be pretty sweet if TD and Manu retire, and 3) Dragic may leave this summer, (or get even more than TP's 12.5 Million; this summer could be pretty crazy for FA's given the new TV contract in the immediate future).

Parker hasn't been good generally considered better than Dragic in a couple years.

[Dat2U]

I'd trade the Wizards pick this year & the expiring of Andre Miller for IT.

[12buckets]

The only one I would really want is Bledsoe. I'd take IT, but the price has to be really cheap. I'm a Celtics fan, so I don't know if we could really put together a package, but I'll try.

( in the offseason )

Bledsoe for Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk, the higher of our 2015 firsts, and the cavs 2016 first.

I know it ain't much, but Bradley is one tenacious defender, and has always reminded me of Rajah Bell, which is why I always considered him a good candidate for phoenix. Especially if the suns keep dragic, who's been guarding 2 guards in the dual PG lineup. Bradley and him can switch between PG and SG, depending on who you want Bradley to cover and still always have Dragic bring up the ball. He's so smart and quick, that very few people get a step on him, and he gets his hands in the way a lot (not really steals, but definitely disruptions. He's also become a reliable with catch and shoot 3's, and even better with a fake and stepping into a jumpshot. He's the one who booted Ray Allen from our championship starting lineup as a 20 year old...a team can definitely still compete with him on the roster. Olynyk is a shooting big, former lottery pick in his second year who'd be better coming off a bench for a good team than starting on a bad team. The pick this year can be anywhere from 7 to 15, depending on how the rest of the season shakes out, and next years is a later one, since we gave you our earlier one this draft.

I'm almost certain though that you'll say that the picks aren't good enough, and think this is more of a package for Isaiah Thomas (which is way too much for that skill level at this point for the Celtics)

[12buckets]

I'll also add, the Rondo trade showed just how small the market is for point guards, as so many teams already have a long term answer at that spot. Also, with Ty Lawson also available for trade, Dragic a free agent, and Reggie Jackson inherently available in the offseason (since i think they definitely can't afford to keep him unless they do something drastic like trade westbrook...which I definitely don't think they should do) the market will probably dictate some smaller offers (in real life) than you may judge his value to be in a vacuum. especially in trade talks.

It's a great time to have a SG or SF available, but a down period for PG and PF. Centers will always have value.

[Barkley_34]

The only one I would really want is Bledsoe. I'd take IT, but the price has to be really cheap. I'm a Celtics fan, so I don't know if we could really put together a package, but I'll try.

( in the offseason )

Bledsoe for Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk, the higher of our 2015 firsts, and the cavs 2016 first.

I know it ain't much, but Bradley is one tenacious defender, and has always reminded me of Rajah Bell, which is why I always considered him a good candidate for phoenix. Especially if the suns keep dragic, who's been guarding 2 guards in the dual PG lineup. Bradley and him can switch between PG and SG, depending on who you want Bradley to cover and still always have Dragic bring up the ball. He's so smart and quick, that very few people get a step on him, and he gets his hands in the way a lot (not really steals, but definitely disruptions. He's also become a reliable with catch and shoot 3's, and even better with a fake and stepping into a jumpshot. He's the one who booted Ray Allen from our championship starting lineup as a 20 year old...a team can definitely still compete with him on the roster. Olynyk is a shooting big, former lottery pick in his second year who'd be better coming off a bench for a good team than starting on a bad team. The pick this year can be anywhere from 7 to 15, depending on how the rest of the season shakes out, and next years is a later one, since we gave you our earlier one this draft.

I'm almost certain though that you'll say that the picks aren't good enough, and think this is more of a package for Isaiah Thomas (which is way too much for that skill level at this point for the Celtics)

terrible offer

[LApwnd]

Bledsoe is also the only PG with really good value to me, Dragic will be an UFA, IT is a small guard that only looks to score and probably gives up as much if not more than he scores. Its obvious now the 3pg is not working and is a detriment to all 3 guards on a game by game basis....teams wont pay top value for any of em even Bledsoe.

[LightTheBeam]

Bledsoe - Good value top 10 in point guards great contract, could likely fetch very good prospect plus top 15 1st. As a kings fan I'd offer our 1st this season assuming we finish 5-10.

Dragic - would be the most aside from his contract so at this point not much. Might be lucky to get a late first and decent prospect. hard for teams to make that commitment without having an extention in place.

Thomas - none. Imo these players are easy to find and a 5'8 player on a 7 million dollar contract has no value. Not negative and not positive. Fills a role but that role can probably be filled by Aaron brooks for the minimum.

[12buckets]

The only one I would really want is Bledsoe. I'd take IT, but the price has to be really cheap. I'm a Celtics fan, so I don't know if we could really put together a package, but I'll try.

( in the offseason )

Bledsoe for Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk, the higher of our 2015 firsts, and the cavs 2016 first.

I know it ain't much, but Bradley is one tenacious defender, and has always reminded me of Rajah Bell, which is why I always considered him a good candidate for phoenix. Especially if the suns keep dragic, who's been guarding 2 guards in the dual PG lineup. Bradley and him can switch between PG and SG, depending on who you want Bradley to cover and still always have Dragic bring up the ball. He's so smart and quick, that very few people get a step on him, and he gets his hands in the way a lot (not really steals, but definitely disruptions. He's also become a reliable with catch and shoot 3's, and even better with a fake and stepping into a jumpshot. He's the one who booted Ray Allen from our championship starting lineup as a 20 year old...a team can definitely still compete with him on the roster. Olynyk is a shooting big, former lottery pick in his second year who'd be better coming off a bench for a good team than starting on a bad team. The pick this year can be anywhere from 7 to 15, depending on how the rest of the season shakes out, and next years is a later one, since we gave you our earlier one this draft.

I'm almost certain though that you'll say that the picks aren't good enough, and think this is more of a package for Isaiah Thomas (which is way too much for that skill level at this point for the Celtics)

terrible offer

I told ya.

I'm really interested in what they actually get for Bledsoe or dragic if they make one available, as I'm almost certain that it will be less than you'll think it should be. Value is dictated by market, and if phoenix is looking to move one when only a couple teams need one, you'll be picking from the best offer, not his true value. I learned this earlier this season, so I know it's not easy to accept. The two players in my offer are better than any of the players we got for Rondo, the same late first rounder...PLUS a pick 10-15 spots higher this year. I know Bledsoe is better, but I can only see 5 or 6 other teams that might make an offer, none of whom have very good players to trade.

To be honest, I'd rather have ty lawson than either of them, and would be willing to pay a little more for him. (although I wouldn't be upset with any of the available point guards this deadline/offseason).

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[pad300]

Actually, silly question for someone who knows more about the CBA and Dragic's contract than I do. Dragic's contract has a player option that it is assumed he will take this summer (as he's worth more on the market than next years $7.5 Million). However, is he tradeable post playoffs, but before free agency (ie before his opt-out takes effect. Presumably he'd be willing to accommodate PHX trying to do as well as it can if he's going to opt out.)? Can PHX use him as a "dust chip" in such a trade, if they know he's going to opt out? They would essentially be trading his Bird Rights for whatever they took back... If they don't anticipate him re-signing, it'd make something like the Parker trade much more attractive...

[Orens]

The last Celtics offer, and the Tony Parker one, are pure awful. Neither fit, nor value.
Parker is older, worse at this point, never proved his worth outside the nest of Pop and Timmy, doesn't fit and a Spur. I'd rather have my chances with Goran in UFA than trade him once again to Texas for a **** offer. Seriously, I wouldn't do it straight up.
The Celtics offer is... Hell, why would we trade Bledsoe? It doesn't upgrade us in any area. Kelly Olynyk isn't what we're looking for, and we aren't in need for picks (six first round draftees from 2013+2014, plus all of ours and the Lakers pick).

The Suns aren't looking to blow up their amazingly young roster. They are winning and heading towards the right direction. Tweaks are probably needed, but stop trading just for the sake of it.

[12buckets]

Actually, silly question for someone who knows more about the CBA and Dragic's contract than I do. Dragic's contract has a player option that it is assumed he will take this summer (as he's worth more on the market than next years $7.5 Million). However, is he tradeable post playoffs, but before free agency (ie before his opt-out takes effect. Presumably he'd be willing to accommodate PHX trying to do as well as it can if he's going to opt out.)? Can PHX use him as a "dust chip" in such a trade, if they know he's going to opt out? They would essentially be trading his Bird Rights for whatever they took back... If they don't anticipate him re-signing, it'd make something like the Parker trade much more attractive...

Theres a period of time after the playoffs when trades and free agents can't be done, which ends shortly before the draft, if memory serves me correct. I know the Bogans team option the celts had last offseason wasn't traded until pretty late in the offseason, so I'm not sure of player options.

Even if I'm wrong, Dragic wouldn't do that. It would deplete his new team of talent, and any player is going to want to win in the future with his new team (which happens with better teammates) more than he's going to want to do a solid for the team he left. Unless it's an extreme money grab, of course. Also, waiting around for something like that to materialize could screw him over, as the potential new team may not want to wait and move onto someone else, and they definitely don't want to pay in players just for the right to pay him more dollars. Dragic should just opt out, sign with his new team, and play alongside the players that would have been traded for him.