2015 Off-Season: Brendan Haywood + Joe Harris =

[sportscrazy]

I'm curious what players teams will give up for this package.. This thread is NOT for generic comments of they could get a solid player or free agent and/or they won't get much. This thread is for specific players they could get for that package via trade or sign and trade.

Brendan Haywood 2015-16 Salary: $10,522,500
Joe Harris 2015-16 Salary: $845,059

Maximum amount of salary that can be returned in a deal: $14,209,448

Again I stress, only specific player names in this thread, not generic concepts.

[loserX]

I was toying with this idea earlier...and of course I muddled it by making it too complicated. As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm sure the preference is to add another star player, but I doubt those deals are available. Cleveland might also consider adding multiple depth pieces instead, especially with guys like Marion retiring, and Mike Miller and James Jones unable to contribute much any more.

My idea so far:
Cleveland trades Haywood and Harris, gets Greivis Vasquez, Martell Webster, Alan Anderson, maybe some 2nds?
Toronto trades Vasquez and James Johnson, gets Brendan Haywood, Ramon Sessions, and Joe Harris
Brooklyn trades Jack and Anderson, gets zero
Washington trades Webster and Sessions, gets Jack and James Johnson

Cavs get pieces they can use: a real pass-first backup PG, a wing shooter to take over for Jones/Miller, and a scrappy hustle guy in Anderson. If other teams throw in some 2nds, Cleveland can re-fill some of the empty asset coffers.
Raptors get a much cheaper backup PG and a young player. Raps fans generally like Johnson okay but it sure seems like Casey doesn't.
Brooklyn saves a fortune in actual cash. (If they feel they need a backup PG back, they can haggle with TO over Sessions.)
Wizards upgrade from Sessions to Jack and shave a year off Webster's contract for the Summer of Durant. Feel like they should add more value though, preferably to Cleveland.

(Note that any team that prefers a TPE to Haywood's contract could surely send it to Philly or another capspace team along with a little cash for helping out.) I wanted to send James Johnson straight to Cleveland but the money is just a little too much. Also this way the Wizards can begin hoarding players with the initials JJ.

[sportscrazy]

What about some kind of three team deal to this effect:

Cavs get: Arron Afflalo (sign and trade) and Steve Blake
Blazers get: Jarrett Jack and Brook Lopez
Nets get: Chris Kaman and Brendan Haywood

Pushes J.R. Smith to a bench role with a solid pass first back-up point guard added, too.

Blazers add some bench fire-power especially if they can re-sign their big three free agents.

Nets save some money.

[loserX]

What about some kind of three team deal to this effect:

Cavs get: Arron Afflalo (sign and trade) and Steve Blake
Blazers get: Jarrett Jack and Brook Lopez
Nets get: Chris Kaman and Brendan Haywood

Pushes J.R. Smith to a bench role with a solid pass first back-up point guard added, too.

Blazers add some bench fire-power especially if they can re-sign their big three free agents.

Nets save some money.

If Portland decides to let Afflalo go, and have already committed big cash to their FAs as you posit, I doubt they'll be willing to spend THAT much money on a backup C.

Cleveland also has to watch the tax apron line; if they're over it, they won't be able to acquire an S&Ted player (and conversely if they acquire an S&Ted player they won't be allowed to exceed the apron line).

[sportscrazy]

What about some kind of three team deal to this effect:

Cavs get: Arron Afflalo (sign and trade) and Steve Blake
Blazers get: Jarrett Jack and Brook Lopez
Nets get: Chris Kaman and Brendan Haywood

Pushes J.R. Smith to a bench role with a solid pass first back-up point guard added, too.

Blazers add some bench fire-power especially if they can re-sign their big three free agents.

Nets save some money.

If Portland decides to let Afflalo go, and have already committed big cash to their FAs as you posit, I doubt they'll be willing to spend THAT much money on a backup C.

Cleveland also has to watch the tax apron line; if they're over it, they won't be able to acquire an S&Ted player (and conversely if they acquire an S&Ted player they won't be allowed to exceed the apron line).

I still say bench depth (big man like Carl Landry or Jason Thompson, shooter off the bench like Randy Foye and veteran back-up point guard like Jameer Nelson) is the best they do from the Haywood contract.

[bondom34]

This is mildly insane, but honestly just coming up with deals I like, and again highly unlikely, but....

Haywood, Harris, S&T Shumpert to GSW for Lee and Iggy? GSW knocks off a bunch of salary, and gets a decent 3 & D guard back, Cleveland upgrades the 2 and gets a bench big.

[jowglenn]

Haywood & Harris for Kevin Martin & Chase Budinger. Cavs get a serious wing scoring vet on a good deal and swallow budinger's deal. Minnesota gets out of like 20 million dollars.

[jowglenn]

Maybe you could get Lance. He could be the key to it all.

[sportscrazy]

Maybe you could get Lance. He could be the key to it all.

Uh oh J.R. Smith and Lance on the same team haha.

[sportscrazy]

This is mildly insane, but honestly just coming up with deals I like, and again highly unlikely, but....

Haywood, Harris, S&T Shumpert to GSW for Lee and Iggy? GSW knocks off a bunch of salary, and gets a decent 3 & D guard back, Cleveland upgrades the 2 and gets a bench big.

If the Warriors wanted to go that route, I think two separate deals make more sense.

Lee to NY for TPE
Iggy to CLE for Haywood and Harris

I just don't see it personally because Golden State is losing a lot and wouldn't have any major cap space still. I know this helps out with re-signing Draymond Green and eventually extending Harrison Barnes, though, so who knows. Maybe a three-team deal where Iggy goes to Cleveland, Haywood goes to a third team and some bench help plus Joe Harris goes to GSW.

Iguodala would be solid for Cleveland in the sense that he would be a highly paid Shane Battier quality in terms of being a glue guy and doing all the things that don't show up in a box score.

[Scoot McGroot]

Maybe you could get Lance. He could be the key to it all.

I think Lance is a possibility, but only if JR Smith opts out and leaves. I don't see a spot for both there.

Otherwise, I think Cleveland would have more interest in acquiring big men than wings. It seems there's always decent, usable wings available. Not always the same for big men.

[sportscrazy]

Cleveland gives Brendan Haywood, Joe Harris and James Jones (signed and traded to the league minimum for 1 year)
Cleveland gets Andre Iguodala and Jameer Nelson

Denver gives J.J. Hickson, Jameer Nelson and Randy Foye
Denver gets Brendan Haywood and Joe Harris

Golden State gives Andre Iguodala and David Lee
Golden State gets J.J. Hickson, Randy Foye and a huge TPE

New York gives TPE
New York gets David Lee

Golden State would try to get Wilson Chandler for the 2019 first round pick in this deal, I'm just not sure Denver goes for it.

[Laimbeer]

Maybe you could get Lance. He could be the key to it all.

Fixed it.

[Bentley1225]

What about Haywood for Channing Frye?.

[Warriorfan]

Cleveland gives Brendan Haywood, Joe Harris and James Jones (signed and traded to the league minimum for 1 year)
Cleveland gets Andre Iguodala and Jameer Nelson

Denver gives J.J. Hickson, Jameer Nelson and Randy Foye
Denver gets Brendan Haywood and Joe Harris

Golden State gives Andre Iguodala and David Lee
Golden State gets J.J. Hickson, Randy Foye and a huge TPE

New York gives TPE
New York gets David Lee

Golden State would try to get Wilson Chandler for the 2019 first round pick in this deal, I'm just not sure Denver goes for it.

I think GS would do this deal. If this much salary was sent out they could use their MLE to sign additional pieces.

[sportscrazy]

Cleveland gives Brendan Haywood, Joe Harris and James Jones (signed and traded to the league minimum for 1 year)
Cleveland gets Andre Iguodala and Jameer Nelson

Denver gives J.J. Hickson, Jameer Nelson and Randy Foye
Denver gets Brendan Haywood and Joe Harris

Golden State gives Andre Iguodala and David Lee
Golden State gets J.J. Hickson, Randy Foye and a huge TPE

New York gives TPE
New York gets David Lee

Golden State would try to get Wilson Chandler for the 2019 first round pick in this deal, I'm just not sure Denver goes for it.

I think GS would do this deal. If this much salary was sent out they could use their MLE to sign additional pieces.

If the Warriors got Wilson Chandler as well, would they be willing to include an unprotected 2019 first round draft pick in this deal? Golden State seems all in on the now and they would still likely have their MLE because of all the salary going out. Could it end up being Otis Thorpe for the second overall pick (which ended up being Darko Milicic in that case so it didn't matter)? Possibly, but a Hickson/Chandler/Foye/Livingston plus MLE bench is solid with a starting five of Andrew Bogut, a re-signed long-term Draymond Green, an extended Harrison Barnes, and Klay/Curry back-court.

[Birdie]

I'm intrigued at adding Iggy. However, I'm unsure whether it's the prudent move givin how cap strapped we will be next year. Wish the salary cap bonanza was this off-season as opposed to the following. But I think this is what we'll be working with this upcoming off-season.

LBJ - 21.5 New 1 year deal
Love - 16.7 New 1 year deal or opt-in
Kyrie - 14.7 Start of 5 year ext
Andy - 9.6 Start of 3 year ext
JR - 6.4 Opt-in [I could see them extending for more years, 4 year @ 24-28mil to lock him in, might take a little less to stay?)
TT - 14 Turned down 4/50, so 4/52-4/56 seems to be the #. 13 or 14per year, just under Kyrie. I'd be shocked if he got 15/yr.
Iman - 7-9 He's said he want's 10, again, maybe he'll cut some slack to stay on the championship bandwagon.
Moz - 4.9 Team-opt
MM - 2.8 Opt-in
Joe H - 875k Contract
JJ - 1mil Veteran-min
Delly - 2-3mil New RFA Contract, unfortunately/sadly, I think they give him some 3 year 7-9mil deal

Just an estimate on those #'s put's us around 102mil for 12 players. 3 spots to fill. So what are we left with?

Haywood's dead carcass of a contract at 10.5mil.
Our 2015 1st rd sub 20's pick
Empty roster spot

If JJ retires, I'd plug Ray Allen into his spot. Our needs would be backup PG, Wing Defender and Big Man. Talk about decisions and that tax bill, phew.

I really like Joe Harris longterm. He's got a nice, smooth shot, solid base, I think in a few years he could become a poor poor man Kyle Korver type player specialist for us.

None of the deals mentioned thus far in this thread really excite me though. Channing Frye is intriguing but that's a lot of years to eat on his contract. I'd rather have Iggy's diminishing D wing skills over Channing 3pt gunning cuz I think we have more than enough of it. I think GSW would prefer to move Lee over Iggy though.

It's pretty amazing, after a cursory look at nba contracts, there really aren't many mid level super horrible deals still around a la Detroit Ben Gordon/Charlie V atrocities that I've come across. They've either been waived or bought out already which makes the value of Haywood's contract to save money harder to do when there doesn't seem to be many teams that would be looking for salary cap relief with something of value to the Cavs to take on.

[KuruptedCav]

1) Haywood & Harris to Golden State for Andre Iguodala - helps GS re-sign Green, gives Cavs defensive wing depth in the event Iman Shumpert isn't retained.

2) Haywood to LA Lakers for Nick Young & 2016 2nd Rd Pick - helps LA make room for 2 max players to join Randle, Bryant, and their probable first round pick; same rationale for Cleveland, but only if JR Smith leaves.

3) Haywood & Harris to Minnesota for Kevin Martin & Chase Budinger - clears salary for the Timberwolves, same rationale for Cleveland as #2 with added veteran depth component.

4) Haywood to NY Knicks for Calderon & protected 2018 1st round pick - leaves NY with max flex to rebuild through FA, which in light of Jackson's comments, is probably needed. It's a high cost to dump Calderon. For the Cavs, they get their Irving backup and a trade chip.

5) Hayood & Harris to Charlotte for Lance Stephenson. For Charlotte, it's a mulligan, for the Cavs, it's acquiring a replacement 2guard if Shumpert isn't retained, who can also play backup point guard with James on the floor.

6) Haywood to Boston for Gerald Wallace & 2016 MIA #2. Boston saves cash on crash, effectively selling a 2nd round pick for $10 million dollars. Cavs get a few minutes off the bench that can still play a little D; but more importantly, have a contract to flip at the deadline to acquire a missing piece, and a minor trade chip.

7) Haywood & 2016 LAC#2 (or another protected 2nd rounder) to NY or LA or PHI for Trade Exception

[sportscrazy]

1) Haywood & Harris to Golden State for Andre Iguodala - helps GS re-sign Green, gives Cavs defensive wing depth in the event Iman Shumpert isn't retained.

2) Haywood to LA Lakers for Nick Young & 2016 2nd Rd Pick - helps LA make room for 2 max players to join Randle, Bryant, and their probable first round pick; same rationale for Cleveland, but only if JR Smith leaves.

3) Haywood & Harris to Minnesota for Kevin Martin & Chase Budinger - clears salary for the Timberwolves, same rationale for Cleveland as #2 with added veteran depth component.

4) Haywood to NY Knicks for Calderon & protected 2018 1st round pick - leaves NY with max flex to rebuild through FA, which in light of Jackson's comments, is probably needed. It's a high cost to dump Calderon. For the Cavs, they get their Irving backup and a trade chip.

5) Hayood & Harris to Charlotte for Lance Stephenson. For Charlotte, it's a mulligan, for the Cavs, it's acquiring a replacement 2guard if Shumpert isn't retained, who can also play backup point guard with James on the floor.

6) Haywood to Boston for Gerald Wallace & 2016 MIA #2. Boston saves cash on crash, effectively selling a 2nd round pick for $10 million dollars. Cavs get a few minutes off the bench that can still play a little D; but more importantly, have a contract to flip at the deadline to acquire a missing piece, and a minor trade chip.

7) Haywood & 2016 LAC#2 (or another protected 2nd rounder) to NY or LA or PHI for Trade Exception

#7 if you add cash makes sense for Philly and Cleveland.

Philly doesn't add any salary, gets cash and a late protected 2nd round pick

Cleveland essentially extends Haywood's value slot into the 2016 off-season

[Warriorfan]

1) Haywood & Harris to Golden State for Andre Iguodala - helps GS re-sign Green, gives Cavs defensive wing depth in the event Iman Shumpert isn't retained.

2) Haywood to LA Lakers for Nick Young & 2016 2nd Rd Pick - helps LA make room for 2 max players to join Randle, Bryant, and their probable first round pick; same rationale for Cleveland, but only if JR Smith leaves.

3) Haywood & Harris to Minnesota for Kevin Martin & Chase Budinger - clears salary for the Timberwolves, same rationale for Cleveland as #2 with added veteran depth component.

4) Haywood to NY Knicks for Calderon & protected 2018 1st round pick - leaves NY with max flex to rebuild through FA, which in light of Jackson's comments, is probably needed. It's a high cost to dump Calderon. For the Cavs, they get their Irving backup and a trade chip.

5) Hayood & Harris to Charlotte for Lance Stephenson. For Charlotte, it's a mulligan, for the Cavs, it's acquiring a replacement 2guard if Shumpert isn't retained, who can also play backup point guard with James on the floor.

6) Haywood to Boston for Gerald Wallace & 2016 MIA #2. Boston saves cash on crash, effectively selling a 2nd round pick for $10 million dollars. Cavs get a few minutes off the bench that can still play a little D; but more importantly, have a contract to flip at the deadline to acquire a missing piece, and a minor trade chip.

7) Haywood & 2016 LAC#2 (or another protected 2nd rounder) to NY or LA or PHI for Trade Exception

I'd add Brooklyn if Thaddeus Young doesn't opt out .Haywood Joe Harris for Bogodovich/ Jack and Thaddeus Young.