Boston-Pelicans

[Mykhyn]

Isaiah Thomas + Evan Turner for Jrue Holiday


Boston gets a big PG who is a very good defender. Could form a devasting line up with Bradley.

Pelicans move Tyreke to PG, throw Evan Turner out as SF/ backup SF. Gives them another playmaker. Thomas gives them another instant offense option

Who says no? Why?

[pelifan]

I'd probably say no for the pelicans, seems like a lateral move at best. And the defense needs more work than the offense

[Curmudgeon]

There's this guy, Marcus Smart, who already makes a devastating defensive combination with Bradley.
With all due respect, I wouldn't trade IT for Holiday straight up. I'm not knocking Holiday, who is an ok player, but he's fragile.

[Smitty731]

I think Thomas is better than Holiday, so that alone is a no for me. Never mind tossing in Turner. Also, Thomas is a better fit for the Celtics. He's fine off the bench behind Smart and Bradley. I don't think Holiday would be good in that role. Nor would Smart or Bradley be as effective off the bench.

[Zaschrona]

No thanks. Thomas is way better than Holiday, especially in a role off the bench behind Smart/Bradley backcourt. I don't want to see Turner going either, he is a good fit next to Smart and Bradley in our starting lineup.

[Jon1798]

Wait a second, people actually believe IT is better than Jrue Holiday now?

[Drax]

Wait a second, people actually believe IT is better than Jrue Holiday now?

You apperantly don't think so, explain why?

[HartfordWhalers]

Wait a second, people actually believe IT is better than Jrue Holiday now?

You apperantly don't think so, explain why?

I don't either.
http://bkref.com/tiny/946Ek

Thomas is great instant offense but Jrue is a much better defender, and per 36 minutes or 100 possessions gives you significantly more assists, less turnovers, more steals, etc.

[Drax]

Wait a second, people actually believe IT is better than Jrue Holiday now?

You apperantly don't think so, explain why?

I don't either.
http://bkref.com/tiny/946Ek

Thomas is great instant offense but Jrue is a much better defender, and per 36 minutes or 100 possessions gives you significantly more assists, less turnovers, more steals, etc.

I'm a fan of both players. I voted no for both sides. Jrue is in the right place going forward, so is Thomas.

Valuewise i'd like to see the fully recovered and healthy Jrue before i'd clearly say he's the better player. Value isn't always numbers alone, you have to factor in role and contract as well. And Thomas right now plays his role almost as good as anyone in the league. The 6th man microwave of the bench. Jrue on the other hand is viewed as a starting point coming of injurys, that usually is not a sign of good value. If we talk next trade deadline or even opening night that scenario might have changed.

[HartfordWhalers]

You apperantly don't think so, explain why?

I don't either.
http://bkref.com/tiny/946Ek

Thomas is great instant offense but Jrue is a much better defender, and per 36 minutes or 100 possessions gives you significantly more assists, less turnovers, more steals, etc.

I'm a fan of both players. I voted no for both sides. Jrue is in the right place going forward, so is Thomas.

Valuewise i'd like to see the fully recovered and healthy Jrue before i'd clearly say he's the better player. Value isn't always numbers alone, you have to factor in role and contract as well. And Thomas right now plays his role almost as good as anyone in the league. The 6th man microwave of the bench. Jrue on the other hand is viewed as a starting point coming of injurys, that usually is not a sign of good value. If we talk next trade deadline or even opening night that scenario might have changed.

I understand the debate on value, as there are significant differences in contract (and recent health). That said, saying the value is off is different than saying Thomas is a way better player, which I disagree with.

[Laimbeer]

Wait a second, people actually believe IT is better than Jrue Holiday now?

You apperantly don't think so, explain why?

I don't either.
http://bkref.com/tiny/946Ek

Thomas is great instant offense but Jrue is a much better defender, and per 36 minutes or 100 possessions gives you significantly more assists, less turnovers, more steals, etc.

I voted Thomas too quickly based on some offensive explosions he's had against certain teams (ahem) but Jrue is the more solid all around package. Pels say no, not sure about the Celtics. Thomas makes a nice third wheel to Smart and Bradley.

And for the love of all things holy lets' stop trading point guards TO the Celtics.

[bs_and_cs]

Wait a second, people actually believe IT is better than Jrue Holiday now?

You apperantly don't think so, explain why?

I don't either.
http://bkref.com/tiny/946Ek

Thomas is great instant offense but Jrue is a much better defender, and per 36 minutes or 100 possessions gives you significantly more assists, less turnovers, more steals, etc.

Hell after seeing that comparison it further confirms that the two players are absolutely on the same level, they just do different things well.

Yes, Jrue is a better defender, yes he will give a more assists, steals and turnovers. But the offensive different between is significant as well. IT scores significantly more, he has a better TS%, he gets to the line a lot more, he has a higher eFG% and the different between his offensive rating and his defensive rating is higher (5) than the difference between Jrue's offensive and defensive rating (2).

So in turn, this trade makes no sense for either team. Especially from the Celtics perspective because they desperately need a player who can score at will regardless of his defensive game.

[Patsfan1081]

I think IT is a better offensive player, but Holliday is better overall. I just don't like the trade because I still want Smart as the pg next year.