Serge Ibaka value

Post #1 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 8:37 pm

So today a few of the OKC media types have been talking about the (incredibly unlikely) possibility that Serge could get traded. While this is probably nuts, it got me wondering: what is Serge worth on the open market?

So, fans of various teams: what would you trade for Serge Ibaka?

We'd need a starting caliber PF coming back, preferably with a little range and decent passing, and a solid wing prospect.

I'll start with Ibaka/Novak/Huestis for Markieff Morris, PJ Tucker and Devin Booker.

Post #2 » by **loserX** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 8:51 pm

No reason at all for OKC to trade him...he's almost a perfect complement to your two superstars! What needs would you even want to fill?

Having said that, Utah really isn't the best team to pursue him. You could surely get better offers from other teams with a direr need.

Post #3 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 8:56 pm

Maybe WCS and Bellini.

Post #4 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 8:58 pm

loserX wrote:No reason at all for OKC to trade him...he's almost a perfect complement to your two superstars! What needs would you even want to fill?

Having said that, Utah really isn't the best team to pursue him. You could surely get better offers from other teams with a direr need.

I agree, which is why I gave the caveat that it's probably madness. The only issue we have with him (besides being in a bit of an offensive slump atm) is that he can't pass to save his life, which doesn't work well if we're trying to install a system focused on ball movement.

Adams is a pretty good rim protector in his own right, and if we could upgrade 2-guard to where we have less guys getting to the rim, the 4 becomes a slightly less important defensive position. Roster balance is an issue right now.

Again, THIS IS PROBABLY A REALLY DUMB IDEA. And there are like 5 guys I'd seriously consider trading him for (all of whom are out of reach). But if we were to make a move, he's the only part of our big 3 that would be even remotely available. It's a thought experiment more than anything else.

Post #5 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 8:58 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Maybe WCS and Bellini.

Sportfan73 · Post #6 » by **Sportfan73** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 8:58 pm

Noel and Hollis for the protection off the pick and Ibaka.

Post #7 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:00 pm

Sportfan73 wrote:Noel and Hollis for the protection off the pick and Ibaka.

Noel and Hollis together are not worth Ibaka, let alone the pick protection.

I'm starting to regret asking this.

Post #8 » by **165bows** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:02 pm

I admit I haven't seen hime more than a few times, but numbers-wise it seems he's fallen off a good bit the last year and change.

lakerhater · Post #9 » by **lakerhater** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:04 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Maybe WCS and Bellini.

Just what OKC needs, a raw not ready for prime time rookie who is out for a month and a half with a broken finger. Championship move if I ever saw one.

Post #10 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:04 pm

dbrandon wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:Noel and Hollis for the protection off the pick and Ibaka.

Noel and Hollis together are not worth Ibaka, let alone the pick protection.

I'm starting to regret asking this.

Serge has looked slower this year and he's spending too much time out at the three point line offensively. Given the make up of your roster, whoever you replace him with has to be at least as good as the current version of him defensively. If you aren't looking for a younger version of Serge, what are you looking for?

I do agree about the protection off the pick. That's not going to happen.

Post #11 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:08 pm

165bows wrote:I admit I haven't seen hime more than a few times, but numbers-wise it seems he's fallen off a good bit the last year and change.

Anything from last year you have to take with a massive grain of salt, since literally everyone on our team except guys who came in at the deadline was injured.

But he hasn't been good to start the year. His defense is still excellent, but his offensive numbers have been worse.

blind prophet · Post #12 » by **blind prophet** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:09 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Maybe WCS and Bellini.

The only reason there may be a miracle they consider this would be the WCS rookie deal, and he'd have to of shown a heck of a lot more than he has.

Post #13 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:11 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
dbrandon wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:Noel and Hollis for the protection off the pick and Ibaka.

Noel and Hollis together are not worth Ibaka, let alone the pick protection.

I'm starting to regret asking this.

Serge has looked slower this year and he's spending too much time out at the three point line offensively. Given the make up of your roster, whoever you replace him with has to be at least as good as the current version of him defensively. If you aren't looking for a younger version of Serge, what are you looking for?

I do agree about the protection off the pick. That's not going to happen.

We're not funneling to the center of the floor or aggressively blitzing ballhandlers generally any more. There is no one out there with his prowess as a rim protector at the PF spot (Noel is not a PF, I don't care what they say he's playing). But if you replace him with a decent positional defender and get a lockdown wing, Adams is solid as the man in the middle.

Basically what I'm wondering is, can we downgrade at PF and upgrade at SG?

Post #14 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:17 pm

Amir Johnson
Avery Bradley
Jordan Mickey
2016 DAL 1st (top 7 protected)

for

Ibaka
Waiters
Novak

Post #15 » by **loserX** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:18 pm

I have to think that if he can defend the rim and shoot all from the 4-spot, a team like Orlando would be rushing to the front of the line. How good would he look in that lineup?

Post #16 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:18 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Amir Johnson
Avery Bradley
Jordan Mickey
2016 DAL 1st (top 7 protected)

for

Ibaka
Waiters
Novak

Taking advantage of my love for Amir Johnson CURSE YOU CHUCK

I might actually do that. Can I get Hunter instead of Mickey, or is that too greedy?

Bentley1225 · Post #17 » by **Bentley1225** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:19 pm

Maybe something around Ibaka and Waiters for DeRozan and Patterson?

Post #18 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:20 pm

Bentley1225 wrote:Maybe something around Ibaka and Waiters for DeRozan and Patterson?

I want Derozan to stay as far away from my team as possible.

Post #19 » by **165bows** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:21 pm

dbrandon wrote:
165bows wrote:I admit I haven't seen him more than a few times, but numbers-wise it seems he's fallen off a good bit the last year and change.

Anything from last year you have to take with a massive grain of salt, since literally everyone on our team except guys who came in at the deadline was injured.

But he hasn't been good to start the year. His defense is still excellent, but his offensive numbers have been worse.

That's basically what I am wondering, if he is still hurt, or if he has just fallen off somehow.

A ways back I'd suggested something built around Adams/Waiters/Novak for Avery Bradley/Tyler Zeller, but if Bradley keeps up anything close to what he has been doing that price is going way up lol.

Post #20 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 9:22 pm

loserX wrote:I have to think that if he can defend the rim and shoot all from the 4-spot, a team like Orlando would be rushing to the front of the line. How good would he look in that lineup?

If OKC really made him available lots of teams would be pursing him. Orlando's problem would be they would need a 3rd team. OTOH they have lots of attractive youth so that shouldn't be too big a hurdle.