CHA/NYK

mademan · Post #1 » by **mademan** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:26 pm

Afflalo+Lopez

for

Al Jefferson+2016 1st rounder+Hairston+filler

NY recieves a ton of extra cap room this summer to pursue a real difference maker (like Mike Conley) while receiving a 1st rounder and O'quinn has been just as good/better than Lopez

Charlotte gets a wing that fits better on their squad over Hairston while swapping Al Jeffs lumbering no defense game for the mobile, great rim protector Lopez.

Im not sure if its fair value. Maybe a little more from CHA's side?

HornetJail · Post #2 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:28 pm

mademan · Post #3 » by **mademan** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:32 pm

Maybe adding afflalo is overkill. Lopez for Jefferson+1st might be good if the Knicks want more cap space this summer

Post #4 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:36 pm

I think the value is fine. Lopez doesn't have much trade value on that contract and Afflalo isn't worth anything significant anyway. Getting tons of salary relief and a first is fine value wise.

The bigger question is if the Knicks want a re-do in free agency next year. I would say yes--they could do better, but their fans will say they want to push to win as much as possible because they don't have their pick. I see that as a sunk cost irrelevant to the matter. I'd gamble on free agency myself.

Post #5 » by **pacers33granger** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:03 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I think the value is fine. Lopez doesn't have much trade value on that contract and Afflalo isn't worth anything significant anyway. Getting tons of salary relief and a first is fine value wise.

The bigger question is if the Knicks want a re-do in free agency next year. I would say yes--they could do better, but their fans will say they want to push to win as much as possible because they don't have their pick. I see that as a sunk cost irrelevant to the matter. I'd gamble on free agency myself.

Agreed. And are they really losing all that much here? I read that Fisher was thinking of benching Lopez anyways and Big Al could provide some needed offense off the bench. Or more minutes for O'Quinn. Losing Afflalo hurts a bit, but most of that production can be replaced with more minutes for Galloway/Grant and Hairston could provide something, though that's doubtful.

Post #6 » by **Smitty731** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:20 pm

Jefferson is a horrible fit for the Knicks. The pick wouldn't be all that valuable. And Hairston has little value. Jefferson would only take touches away from Porzingis, while also severely weakening the defense. Lopez is basically the exact type of C you want next to a young PF. He needs no touches on offense and will do all the dirty work. If the Knicks move Lopez, I expect it to be in a deal where Porzingis slides over to C.

Charlotte should jump all over this. Afflalo is better than anyone else they have at SG right now and Lopez would add a much needed defensive presence inside.

mademan · Post #7 » by **mademan** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:37 pm

Smitty731 wrote:Jefferson is a horrible fit for the Knicks. The pick wouldn't be all that valuable. And Hairston has little value. Jefferson would only take touches away from Porzingis, while also severely weakening the defense. Lopez is basically the exact type of C you want next to a young PF. He needs no touches on offense and will do all the dirty work. If the Knicks move Lopez, I expect it to be in a deal where Porzingis slides over to C.

Charlotte should jump all over this. Afflalo is better than anyone else they have at SG right now and Lopez would add a much needed defensive presence inside.

They'd start Oquinn, who a lot of Knicks fans feel is better anyway while Al Jeff would provide some offense off the bench. Either way though, this isnt a move for this year. The Knicks are gonna be outside looking into the playoffs this year, so why not make a move for next year. They get a pick and the ability to offer 2 max contracts. With Batums comments about wanting to play in a big market and Memphis downward spiral, getting both Conley/Batum could be in play

Rockazoids · Post #8 » by **Rockazoids** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:56 pm

I always find this funny that posters made fun that the NYK didn't get a Super Star & all they got were role player but
poster are always trying to trade for them. PJ did a great job getting them on the deals he got.
& why would NYK want Al Jeffs lumbering no defense game for the mobile, great rim protector Lopez. Some late 1st not
going to do it. All this trade does is give TOR a high lotto pick.

Post #9 » by **Diop** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:52 am

I can see NYK doing it if they think Porzingis can start at centre next year and want to get out of Lopez's contract. Al's expiring allows that, while not being an obvious tanking move. I agree I don't like the fit with Al clogging up the space for Melo and co to work in.

Swoosh_Stripes · Post #10 » by **Swoosh_Stripes** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:59 am

Why would the Knicks do this move now, if they wait to trade Lopez in the offseason the return could be a lot better and it wouldn't required the Knicks to take back a player that's a bad fit. By waiting the Knicks also buy time for themselves to decide how they want to replace Rolo.

RollingWave · Post #11 » by **RollingWave** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:48 am

I think guys got it wrong, the Hornets are interested in Afflalo because Hairston is just not an NBA player.

They are fine with moving Jefferson because their other front court guys have been really nice.

We would say no thanks to Lopez, if you want Afflalo + filler for Jefferson + Hairston we would be happy to throw in a 2nd for that .

Swoosh_Stripes · Post #12 » by **Swoosh_Stripes** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:04 pm

RollingWave wrote:I think guys got it wrong, the Hornets are interested in Afflalo because Hairston is just not an NBA player.

They are fine with moving Jefferson because their other front court guys have been really nice.

We would say no thanks to Lopez, if you want Afflalo + filler for Jefferson + Hairston we would be happy to throw in a 2nd for that .

So the Knicks send the Hornets their 3rd best player for players the Hornets do not want? Where is the value for the Knicks?

LofJ · Post #13 » by **LofJ** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:07 pm

Swoosh_Stripes wrote:
RollingWave wrote:I think guys got it wrong, the Hornets are interested in Afflalo because Hairston is just not an NBA player.

They are fine with moving Jefferson because their other front court guys have been really nice.

We would say no thanks to Lopez, if you want Afflalo + filler for Jefferson + Hairston we would be happy to throw in a 2nd for that .

So the Knicks send the Hornets their 3rd best player for players the Hornets do not want? Where is the value for the Knicks?

There isn't, if Afflalo was on a team option next year it would be a no brainer for us to include a first to get him. I'm still tempted to do it though because we really need an upgrade on the wing to tide us over until MKG comes back.

Would Afflalo and Seraphin for Jefferson and Hairston plus a lottery protected first interest you more?

Post #14 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:08 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I think the value is fine. Lopez doesn't have much trade value on that contract and Afflalo isn't worth anything significant anyway. Getting tons of salary relief and a first is fine value wise.

The bigger question is if the Knicks want a re-do in free agency next year. I would say yes--they could do better, but their fans will say they want to push to win as much as possible because they don't have their pick. I see that as a sunk cost irrelevant to the matter. I'd gamble on free agency myself.

you not going to entice any free agents to come to NY unless you win games.

Another 20-25 win season they will be in the same boat in terms of getting the B/C list FA's. If they want one of the big FA's. They need to win to show they guys that they would be an addition to a team on the rise.

Post #15 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:14 pm

Zingis is your drawing card you didn't have last summer. Him and more cap space is way more attractive imo than JAG's like RoLo, Afflalo, Calderon etc. If I'm a big FA I'd rather be able to come and talk tier II free agent X or Y into joining me.

Post #16 » by **moocow007** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:47 pm

While there may be merits for the Knicks to move Lopez (so far, not fitting in as well as expected) and you could argue this maybe at the trade deadline if the Knicks are struggling mightily (the whole cap space angle) it's a hard pill to swallow right now.

stinger14 · Post #17 » by **stinger14** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:12 pm

Al Jefferson
Brian Roberts

For

Aaron Afflalo
Jose Calderon

R-DAWG · Post #18 » by **R-DAWG** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:00 pm

LofJ wrote:
Swoosh_Stripes wrote:
RollingWave wrote:I think guys got it wrong, the Hornets are interested in Afflalo because Hairston is just not an NBA player.

They are fine with moving Jefferson because their other front court guys have been really nice.

We would say no thanks to Lopez, if you want Afflalo + filler for Jefferson + Hairston we would be happy to throw in a 2nd for that .

So the Knicks send the Hornets their 3rd best player for players the Hornets do not want? Where is the value for the Knicks?

There isn't, if Afflalo was on a team option next year it would be a no brainer for us to include a first to get him. I'm still tempted to do it though because we really need an upgrade on the wing to tide us over until MKG comes back.

Would Afflalo and Seraphin for Jefferson and Hairston plus a lottery protected first interest you more?

Afflalo is worth at least a lotto protected 1st round pick regardless of the contract. That's what he was traded for last year with the same contract situation. At this point it's too soon to say weather or not the Knicks will make the playoffs or not. But right now they are in the race and likely have the best player (Melo) and prospect (Porzingis) out of all the bottom tier playoff teams and a solid vet roster. I can see them being more buyers than sellers at the deadline but things could change. And if the playoffs look like a long shot at the deadline moving Afflalo to get back into the draft would make sense. The value of Afflalo and Seraphin for Jefferson, Hairston and lotto protected 1st is more than fair.

As for Lopez, he's worth more than a salary dump. His contract and production are on the same level as Gortat and Asik. Both guys are on a similar contract and were traded for what became late teen 1st rd picks. So IMO Lopez is also worth a 1st rd pick. But trading for Jefferson is a win now move and if that's the case it makes no sense to move Afflalo, who is just an all around solid player, if your trying to win now.

R-DAWG · Post #19 » by **R-DAWG** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:01 pm

stinger14 wrote:Al Jefferson
Brian Roberts

For

Aaron Afflalo
Jose Calderon

NY has no need to pay to move Calderon's contract. Also, Afflalo is a better fit in NY than Al Jefferson.

R-DAWG · Post #20 » by **R-DAWG** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:04 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Zingis is your drawing card you didn't have last summer. Him and more cap space is way more attractive imo than JAG's like RoLo, Afflalo, Calderon etc. If I'm a big FA I'd rather be able to come and talk tier II free agent X or Y into joining me.

As a Knick fan the drawing card this summer is that we have one of the best trade chips, Melo, in a market where there is limited high end talent available and every team will have cap space. Combine that with owning all our future picks and the difference in career arcs between Melo (31) and Porzingis (20) and it's a great summer for NY to be sellers. Durant isn't coming to NY, Conley is a long shot but that's really the only way NY can build a conference finals level team - signing Conley and keeping Afflao.

This isn't the summer you wan to be a buyer of free agents. Everyone will get vastly overpaid. Melo on a 3 year, less than max deal looks like a great option