Suns/Bulls/Bucks and Suns/Bulls/Rockets

[Tylerac]

What do you think of these trades?
Suns in: N Mirotic, M Dunleavy, Bulls lottery protected first
Bulls in: G Monroe, PJ Tucker
Bucks in: B Knight, T Chandler, D McDermott

My thinking: If the Suns draft Bender, which I believe they want to do, they will look for a substitute 4 that doesn't cost them assets until he arrives. The key is not to sacrifice assets, but to acquire them. They may be looking to unload Knight because Booker is not a 3. They will probably be happy to unload Chandler as well. I figure the Bulls would be thrilled to let Noah walk and move Mirotic in place of Monroe on a multi-year deal. Finally, rumor has it the Bucks are looking to move forward with Giannis, Middleton, Parker, Henson and I suspect they feel a hole at PG. Vasquez and Bayless are FAs and MCW has struggled. Perhaps they want to backtrack on the Knight trade...I think he left of good terms.

If you don't like the trade, is there a trade with a framework of Mirotic to the Suns, Monroe to the Bulls, and Knight+Chandler to the Bucks?

Other trade
Suns in: N Mirotic, M Dunleavy, D McDermott
Bulls in: D Howard, PJ Tucker
Rockets in: B Knight, T Chandler, Bulls lottery protected first

Some of the same reasoning as above. The Suns still pursue addition by subtraction, while the Bulls gear up majorly for 2017 free agency when Rose, Howard, and Gasol go off the books. I understand the hesitancy to pair Howard and Gasol, but you can get him for very cheap right now, seemingly. The Rockets separate Harden and Howard while acquiring a couple starting caliber players.

If you don't like the trade, is there a trade with a framework of Mirotic to Suns, Howard to Bulls, and Knight+Chandler to the Rockets?

[Baddy Chuck]

We take Knight and Chandler's contracts? Yeeesh.

[Colbinii]

We take Knight and Chandler's contracts? Yeeesh.

Knight doesn't have a negative contract. He is a fine player for his contract, but I know Bucks fans still have a sour taste in their mouths from last time he was there. Given your roster make-up, he would be a fine fit.
So, obviously Knight to the Bucks isn't happening on a forum considering how much hatred there is towards him from Bucks fans.
With Chandler, he is over payed (slightly), but his leadership would do wonders to a team as young as the Bucks. McDermott would be an amazing fit with your roster in my opinion. If you guys strike out in Free Agency, I don't see why a deal similar to this couldn't be done as it would benefit your team.

For the Suns, this is too much value for Knight and Tucker considering they move Chandler as well.
I am not sure how good this is for Chicago but Monroe seems like a nice fit on that roster, well, at least before they trade both Mirotic and McDermott away.

[Baddy Chuck]

We take Knight and Chandler's contracts? Yeeesh.

Knight doesn't have a negative contract.

Sure, I don't think he's a particularly positive value either and we take on Chandler? Yeeeesh.

[Colbinii]

Sure, I don't think he's a particularly positive value either and we take on Chandler? Yeeeesh.

Did you read my post? What else will you be doing with your cap space? Like I said, assuming you guys strike out just like my Wolves, taking one of the most experienced players in the NBA, along with one of the best leaders would be a solid asset to your team.

[Baddy Chuck]

What else will you be doing with your cap space?

Not take on two overpaid, not very good players? You don't have to spend money on bad contracts, you can you know, just not spend money?

[Colbinii]

What else will you be doing with your cap space?

Not take on two overpaid, not very good players? You don't have to spend money on bad contracts, you can you know, just not spend money?

First, you have to spend money.
Second, I would rather have Knight/Chandler than 28 million in useless cap.

I see you don't want these players on your team and I respect that. From an outside perspective, I think these players would both benefit your team.

[Baddy Chuck]

What else will you be doing with your cap space?

Not take on two overpaid, not very good players? You don't have to spend money on bad contracts, you can you know, just not spend money?

First, you have to spend money.
Second, I would rather have Knight/Chandler than 28 million in useless cap.

I see you don't want these players on your team and I respect that. From an outside perspective, I think these players would both benefit your team.

I mean first, you really don't. The salary floor is completely inconsequential to say the least. Second, I wouldn't. Rather spend $28 million on players that aren't ancient or brain dead.

[Colbinii]

I mean first, you really don't. The salary floor is completely inconsequential to say the least. Second, I wouldn't. Rather spend $28 million on players that aren't ancient or brain dead.

I see this discussion is over. Both of these players would have net-positive impacts on your team. Irrational hate is real.

[Baddy Chuck]

I mean first, you really don't. The salary floor is completely inconsequential to say the least. Second, I wouldn't. Rather spend $28 million on players that aren't ancient or brain dead.

I see this discussion is over. Both of these players would have net-positive impacts on your team. Irrational hate is real.

Greg Monroe has a net positive impact on our team, that's really not saying a whole lot.

[buckboy]

We take Knight and Chandler's contracts? Yeeesh.

Knight doesn't have a negative contract. He is a fine player for his contract, but I know Bucks fans still have a sour taste in their mouths from last time he was there. Given your roster make-up, he would be a fine fit.
So, obviously Knight to the Bucks isn't happening on a forum considering how much hatred there is towards him from Bucks fans.
With Chandler, he is over payed (slightly), but his leadership would do wonders to a team as young as the Bucks. McDermott would be an amazing fit with your roster in my opinion. If you guys strike out in Free Agency, I don't see why a deal similar to this couldn't be done as it would benefit your team.

For the Suns, this is too much value for Knight and Tucker considering they move Chandler as well.
I am not sure how good this is for Chicago but Monroe seems like a nice fit on that roster, well, at least before they trade both Mirotic and McDermott away.

Knight sucks.

And that first trade is terrible beyond words for both the Bucks and the Bulls.

[M-C-G]

What do you think of these trades?
Suns in: N Mirotic, M Dunleavy, Bulls lottery protected first
Bulls in: G Monroe, PJ Tucker
Bucks in: B Knight, T Chandler, D McDermott

you don't like the trade, is there a trade with a framework of Mirotic to Suns, Howard to Bulls, and Knight+Chandler to the Rockets?

Suns get out of two bad long term contracts, and they are both bad, maybe Tucker is comparable to Dunleavy, get Mirotic and a 1st out of the deal on top of that?

Bucks take on an insane amount of salary which many feel neither player is positive value and to me McDermott is pretty irrelevant.

Don't care for this deal at all....maybe move Knight to a fourth team, and give whatever positive asset out of that to MKE and maybe this is closer.

[Colbinii]

Greg Monroe has a net positive impact on our team, that's really not saying a whole lot.

He does, and he fares decently in RPM. Why do you guys seem to dislike him so much?
I guess what I love about Chandler is he builds on a defensive juggernaut philosophy that I believe Giannis will excel at. Defensive team with him running the point seems dangerous. Although, I could see Monroe being used well in trying to score in the half court, much moreso than Chandler.

Knight sucks.

And that first trade is terrible beyond words for both the Bucks and the Bulls.

He doesn't suck. He is the definition of average guard, 14.8 career PER.

[Prez]

Greg Monroe has a net positive impact on our team, that's really not saying a whole lot.

He does, and he fares decently in RPM. Why do you guys seem to dislike him so much?
I guess what I love about Chandler is he builds on a defensive juggernaut philosophy that I believe Giannis will excel at. Defensive team with him running the point seems dangerous. Although, I could see Monroe being used well in trying to score in the half court, much moreso than Chandler.

Knight sucks.

And that first trade is terrible beyond words for both the Bucks and the Bulls.

He doesn't suck. He is the definition of average guard, 14.8 career PER.

You need to watch these guys play, trying to sum up their games with RPM and PER is just not an effective way to judge them. Monroe is an awful defender regardless of what RPM might say, is a slow plodder offensively who slows everything down, clogs the paint, and takes guys out of rhythm with his post ups. For a young explosive team like the Bucks that like need to move the ball, run in transition, and thrive on turning defense to offense..Monroe is an abysmal fit.

And Knight is a me-first chucker who gets his numbers at the expense of making anyone around him better. There's a pretty good reason he was traded from the Bucks, and so many Phoenix fans hate him. His numbers flat out do not reflect how conducive (or not conducive) his game is to winning.

[Colbinii]

You need to watch these guys play, trying to sum up their games with RPM and PER is just not an effective way to judge them. Monroe is an awful defender regardless of what RPM might say, is a slow plodder offensively who slows everything down, clogs the paint, and takes guys out of rhythm with his post ups. For a young explosive team like the Bucks that like need to move the ball, run in transition, and thrive on turning defense to offense..Monroe is an abysmal fit.

And Knight is a me-first chucker who gets his numbers at the expense of making anyone around him better. There's a pretty good reason he was traded from the Bucks, and so many Phoenix fans hate him. His numbers flat out do not reflect how conducive (or not conducive) his game is to winning.

I have seen Knight play and Monroe play. Monroe is fine in a slow tempoed offense, which yours isn't with Giannis running point. Also, you may want to direct your Monroe post to Baddy Chuck, as he is stating how he has a "net positive" impact on the game. I was agreeing due to +/-, but there has to be a correlation to playing with your real catalyst, Middleton.

Like I said, Knight is an average player in the NBA.

So I am glad we are back to saying Chandler is a better fit. He would look great in transition and isn't going to need a lot of touches on offense, and also he likes to run the floor.

[bondom34]

The first deal is killing the Bucks and way too much for Phoenix, the second doesn't really work b/c Dwight is probably a free agent.

[Prez]

You need to watch these guys play, trying to sum up their games with RPM and PER is just not an effective way to judge them. Monroe is an awful defender regardless of what RPM might say, is a slow plodder offensively who slows everything down, clogs the paint, and takes guys out of rhythm with his post ups. For a young explosive team like the Bucks that like need to move the ball, run in transition, and thrive on turning defense to offense..Monroe is an abysmal fit.

And Knight is a me-first chucker who gets his numbers at the expense of making anyone around him better. There's a pretty good reason he was traded from the Bucks, and so many Phoenix fans hate him. His numbers flat out do not reflect how conducive (or not conducive) his game is to winning.

I have seen Knight play and Monroe play. Monroe is fine in a slow tempoed offense, which yours isn't with Giannis running point. Also, you may want to direct your Monroe post to Baddy Chuck, as he is stating how he has a "net positive" impact on the game. I was agreeing due to +/-, but there has to be a correlation to playing with your real catalyst, Middleton.

Like I said, Knight is an average player in the NBA.

So I am glad we are back to saying Chandler is a better fit. He would look great in transition and isn't going to need a lot of touches on offense, and also he likes to run the floor.

In any case, I don't want the Bucks paying 14-16 mil/yr for an average player who also happens to be a bad fit for the team.

And Chandler is a good fit, prime Chandler is the exact type of center we need, but the dude is going to be getting 13 million into his late 30s. Terrible contract that I want no part of.

[Tylerac]

I can understand where everyone is coming from although I don't necessarily agree. I figured we would agree that Monroe and Knight both have serious shortcomings, and that this trade addresses each team's needs. There seems to be a huge discrepancy on this board concerning how valuable Monroe is, so much so that some would say it is 'terrible beyond words' to suggest he is worth as little as Knight, Chandler and McDermott, while simultaneously being 'terrible beyond words' to suggest he (in addition to Tucker and dumping Dunleavy) is worth so much as to make you give up Mirotic McDermott and a late first rounder. That's confusing.

I think Chandler would add value to the Bucks in many different ways, but I agree that they wouldn't want him if they had other plans for that cap space.

[Baddy Chuck]

Greg Monroe has a net positive impact on our team, that's really not saying a whole lot.

He does, and he fares decently in RPM. Why do you guys seem to dislike him so much?
I guess what I love about Chandler is he builds on a defensive juggernaut philosophy that I believe Giannis will excel at. Defensive team with him running the point seems dangerous. Although, I could see Monroe being used well in trying to score in the half court, much moreso than Chandler.

Chandler on a 1 or 2 year deal would be whatever, Chandler on year 2 of a 4 year deal is not something anybody wants. There's a reason he instantly signed that deal with you guys, and you can try to convince yourself its because he wanted to go there before Lamarcus but really it's because nobody else was giving him that deal.

And Monroe is much like Knight. A guy who can do things with the ball in his hands but is a guy you don't want the ball in his hands. He's not a very good player. Neither is.

[jbk1234]

If the Bucks were comfortable paying Knight the amount he currently earns, he'd still be playing for them. I don't hate Knight playing a combo guard role next to Giannis, but for about half of what he's being paid.

I have no idea why the Bulls are sending out a first when they're also sending out Mirotic and McBuckets. Value is pretty bad for them. In fact, the only team that probably does either trade is the Nets.