PHI/LAL

[warren weel im]

The only trade both sides should consider is an even swap of Russell and Okafor imo. Philly gets a better prospect than Hield, Dunn or Murray and Simmons high school teammate. Lakers get the better player at a tougher position to fill and if Okafor and Randle are as bad defensively as people think they would be together, they have a better chance of keeping their pick.

No offense, but there's A LOT of things wrong in these 2 highlighted statements. It would be better if Philly stopped offering for either #2 or Russell.

Okafor is a better player and a better teammate than Russell. I get that you are supposed to stick behind your guy, but I don't think you're going to find many rationale fans who believe Russell is a better player than Okafor.

Bias aside, Okafor is a good player in the wrong time. If this was the 80's, there would be no question he was #1. But you'd have to account for the evolution of the game. The Lakers picked Russell for a reason.

[LakersLegacy]

No offense, but there's A LOT of things wrong in these 2 highlighted statements. It would be better if Philly stopped offering for either #2 or Russell.

Okafor is a better player and a better teammate than Russell. I get that you are supposed to stick behind your guy, but I don't think you're going to find many rationale fans who believe Russell is a better player than Okafor.

Bias aside, Okafor is a good player in the wrong time. If this was the 80's, there would be no question he was #1. But you'd have to account for the evolution of the game. The Lakers picked Russell for a reason.

The jury is definitely still out on who is the better player. I think by 2017 3'Angelo will be seen as the better player. Luke's system will utilize 3'Angelos strengths.

Guards take longer to develop. Kobe's rookie season he put up 8 and 1. Nash only put 8 and 5 his forth year in the NBA. 3'Angelo has all the tools. A killer shot, passing ability and he's 6-5 with a 6-10 wing span. He has a chip on his shoulder for redemption and is working out early in the morning at UCLA doing his best Kobe work ethic impression putting up shots. It's a guards league. He will break through soon.

[HartfordWhalers]

I want to respond more, but I'm just have a lot of trouble taking serious the nickname 3'Angelo serious.

[mksp]

I want to respond more, but I'm just have a lot of trouble taking serious the nickname 3'Angelo serious.

For a guy who shot 35.1% from 3!

Maybe we can trade 3ollis Thompson (38%), 3obert Covington (35.3%) and 3saiah Canaan (36.3%) together for him!

[BullyKing]

Okafor is a better player and a better teammate than Russell. I get that you are supposed to stick behind your guy, but I don't think you're going to find many rationale fans who believe Russell is a better player than Okafor.

Bias aside, Okafor is a good player in the wrong time. If this was the 80's, there would be no question he was #1. But you'd have to account for the evolution of the game. The Lakers picked Russell for a reason.

Guards take longer to develop.

I think you can fairly prefer Russell to Okafor without making up justifications.

http://www.gotbuckets.com/2014/03/24/aging-curves-for-big-men-do-they-take-longer-to-develop/

[KSOR24]

The only trade both sides should consider is an even swap of Russell and Okafor imo. Philly gets a better prospect than Hield, Dunn or Murray and Simmons high school teammate. Lakers get the better player at a tougher position to fill and if Okafor and Randle are as bad defensively as people think they would be together, they have a better chance of keeping their pick.

No offense, but there's A LOT of things wrong in these 2 highlighted statements. It would be better if Philly stopped offering for either #2 or Russell.

Okafor is a better player and a better teammate than Russell. I get that you are supposed to stick behind your guy, but I don't think you're going to find many rationale fans who believe Russell is a better player than Okafor.

Based on what? Raw PPG?

[Crooked-I]

I like Noel a lot. Athletic bigs is the way the league is moving towards now. Bismack, Whiteside, Adams, Ibaka, Thompson, Draymond, etc. All those guys are on teams that made deep playoff runs and they all shine. I don't think that is a coincidence. But Noel is getting paid soon so his value drops. He'll probably command the same contract as Bismack or Whiteside, I'd rather just offer those guys the contract and keep 3'Angelo. The 2017 pick would be nice but I think it'll be at in the 9-14 range so it's not that big of a hit.

Also it's funny how Okafor isn't even in this trade and somehow he gets brought up. That tends to happen a lot, I wonder why.

[the_process]

The only trade both sides should consider is an even swap of Russell and Okafor imo. Philly gets a better prospect than Hield, Dunn or Murray and Simmons high school teammate. Lakers get the better player at a tougher position to fill and if Okafor and Randle are as bad defensively as people think they would be together, they have a better chance of keeping their pick.

No offense, but there's A LOT of things wrong in these 2 highlighted statements. It would be better if Philly stopped offering for either #2 or Russell.

It's not always Philly offering it.

[jbk1234]

Lakers says no pretty quickly. Russell is worth a lot more than Noel. That pick is an unknown asset right now. Lakers have 60+ in cap space to play with.

I can understand the Lakers declining the trade with the hope that Russell develops into something special, but he hasn't shown anything yet that makes him definitively better than Noel.

[warren weel im]

Lakers says no pretty quickly. Russell is worth a lot more than Noel. That pick is an unknown asset right now. Lakers have 60+ in cap space to play with.

I can understand the Lakers declining the trade with the hope that Russell develops into something special, but he hasn't shown anything yet that makes him definitively better than Noel.

Russell is 20. We'll have all of 3 more years to decide whether he is Andre Miller w/ a 3pt shot or Greivis Vasquez. He affords me the time to assess him further. His game is very advanced for a 19yo rookie playing in the bright lights of LA, whose game was murdered by Byron Scott.

Noel is going to get paid next season - if you trade for him, you'd have to pay him to keep him. I am not paying 21M (or more) per season for someone who's game is only on the other side of the court.

[HartfordWhalers]

Lakers says no pretty quickly. Russell is worth a lot more than Noel. That pick is an unknown asset right now. Lakers have 60+ in cap space to play with.

I can understand the Lakers declining the trade with the hope that Russell develops into something special, but he hasn't shown anything yet that makes him definitively better than Noel.

Russell is 20. We'll have all of 3 more years to decide whether he is Andre Miller w/ a 3pt shot or Greivis Vasquez. He affords me the time to assess him further. His game is very advanced for a 19yo rookie playing in the bright lights of LA, whose game was murdered by Byron Scott.

Noel is going to get paid next season - if you trade for him, you'd have to pay him to keep him. I am not paying 21M (or more) per season for someone who's game is only on the other side of the court.

Noel scored 11 per game very efficiently. So, sounds like you are pretty wrong on your contention.

[warren weel im]

I can understand the Lakers declining the trade with the hope that Russell develops into something special, but he hasn't shown anything yet that makes him definitively better than Noel.

Russell is 20. We'll have all of 3 more years to decide whether he is Andre Miller w/ a 3pt shot or Greivis Vasquez. He affords me the time to assess him further. His game is very advanced for a 19yo rookie playing in the bright lights of LA, whose game was murdered by Byron Scott.

Noel is going to get paid next season - if you trade for him, you'd have to pay him to keep him. I am not paying 21M (or more) per season for someone who's game is only on the other side of the court.

Noel scored 11 per game very efficiently. So, sounds like you are pretty wrong on your contention.

I don't think he's much of an offensive option AT ALL. He scores out of putbacks, I guess that's his game, but I don't think saying he's an offensive option is fair to say at all. He doesn't shoot FTs all too well either.

That said, every team would love to have a mobile center like NN, but he is not more valuable than the potential within Russell. If you disagree, well then, lets agree to do that.

[HartfordWhalers]

who's game is only on the other side of the court.

I don't think he's much of an offensive option AT ALL. He scores out of putbacks, I guess that's his game, but I don't think saying he's an offensive option is fair to say at all. He doesn't shoot FTs all too well either.

He might be a 4th scorer on a team, but there is a world of difference between saying someone isn't a go to scoring option and a guy cannot play offense at all (or something similar to both).

[warren weel im]

who's game is only on the other side of the court.

I don't think he's much of an offensive option AT ALL. He scores out of putbacks, I guess that's his game, but I don't think saying he's an offensive option is fair to say at all. He doesn't shoot FTs all too well either.

He might be a 4th scorer on a team, but there is a world of difference between saying someone isn't a go to scoring option and a guy cannot play offense at all (or something similar to both).

Its not about being the 4th scorer, its about being the 4th scorer on a team that has no scorers at all outside of Jah.

[HartfordWhalers]

who's game is only on the other side of the court.

I don't think he's much of an offensive option AT ALL. He scores out of putbacks, I guess that's his game, but I don't think saying he's an offensive option is fair to say at all. He doesn't shoot FTs all too well either.

He might be a 4th scorer on a team, but there is a world of difference between saying someone isn't a go to scoring option and a guy cannot play offense at all (or something similar to both).

Its not about being the 4th scorer, its about being the 4th scorer on a team that has no scorers at all outside of Jah.

Which makes his efficiency even more impressive, not less.

[warren weel im]

I rest my case.

[Lovetron Joe]

I want to respond more, but I'm just have a lot of trouble taking serious the nickname 3'Angelo serious.

For a guy who shot 35.1% from 3!

Maybe we can trade 3ollis Thompson (38%), 3obert Covington (35.3%) and 3saiah Canaan (36.3%) together for him!

35.1%from3'angelo is more accurate but lacks pizzazz. I'm okay with 3'angelo.

Lovetron Joe

[Showtime:Part2]

philly fans are the ones trying to put down dangelo to make this trade seem ok. every lakers fan in here said no, not even close. why push the issue? clearly a large divide in perceived value.

[Showtime:Part2]

I want to respond more, but I'm just have a lot of trouble taking serious the nickname 3'Angelo serious.

For a guy who shot 35.1% from 3!

Maybe we can trade 3ollis Thompson (38%), 3obert Covington (35.3%) and 3saiah Canaan (36.3%) together for him!

post asb he shot 40% from 3 when byron finally started giving him consistent minutes and a consistent role instead of yanking him after he made his first mistake. but sure, go ahead and mention guys that are in their mid 20s already (all of them are 25 LOL), and completely ignore that rookies improve.

[HartfordWhalers]

I want to respond more, but I'm just have a lot of trouble taking serious the nickname 3'Angelo serious.

For a guy who shot 35.1% from 3!

Maybe we can trade 3ollis Thompson (38%), 3obert Covington (35.3%) and 3saiah Canaan (36.3%) together for him!

post asb he shot 40% from 3 when byron finally started giving him consistent minutes and a consistent role instead of yanking him after he made his first mistake. but sure, go ahead and mention guys that are in their mid 20s already (all of them are 25 LOL), and completely ignore that rookies improve.

I think the base line expectation is that Russell improves. Right now my baseline expectation is that his nickname (3'Angelo) cannot get worse.