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Post#1 » by DeathLineup » Wed Jun 1, 2016 7:25 am

Bledsoe for Belinelli and 8th

Kings get their new point guard. This particular guy is special because he is a DeMarcus Cousins guy. Bledsoe is a much better option than Rondo in today's NBA landscape. He could shoot and defense especially well. Cousins is not a patient guy, he wants to win soon or he may force his way out of Sacramento.

Suns may lose a starter point guard but they still have Knight with them. Booker also could handle the ball quite well. The 8th could be used to draft a nice kid maybe Hield, Labissière or maybe Valentine. This move would also free them about 7 to 8 million in cap space. Quite an addition that could be used to sign veterans that would fit the team better than Bledsoe.
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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#2 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 1, 2016 9:05 am

Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.
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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#3 » by Jkam31 » Wed Jun 1, 2016 10:05 am

Kerrsed wrote:Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.


Bledsoe isn't on the table? I thought last year he was available I think that's who we'd target


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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#4 » by hcsilla » Wed Jun 1, 2016 11:13 am

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Kerrsed wrote:Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.


Bledsoe isn't on the table? I thought last year he was available


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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#5 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jun 1, 2016 1:48 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.


Might be open to Knight for 8th? Hell I'm not sure I'd take Knight for free on that contract with his limitations. I certainly don't want Bledsoe for the 8th, torn meniscus, knee surgery, 6 seasons in the nba and 3 major injuries? You might even take on Gay, wow thanks you will take a top 10-12 small forward who averages nearly 20ppg for free Im surprised! I have a rule, if you cant stay healthy I don't want you. I have no doubt Bledsoe is a good player when healthy but I'm good off a player with multiple knee surgeries who has shown he can't stay healthy.

I wouldn't trade Cousins to Phx for anything on the roster. That offer is insulting. A quarter, 2 dimes, a nickel, and an iou for 5 years later doesn't equal a dollar, and then you want Gay as if he's some salary dump lol. Come on man....
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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#6 » by The Beam King » Wed Jun 1, 2016 2:01 pm

Yeah the only way I see the kings entertaining a knight deal would be #8, Belinelli and Koufos for Knight and #13.
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Post#7 » by MotownMadness » Wed Jun 1, 2016 2:03 pm

Bledsoe would be awesome for the Kings but I'm not sure the Suns would be willing to move him for that package.
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Post#8 » by Bentley1225 » Wed Jun 1, 2016 2:43 pm

If the Suns do trade Knight for #8, what type of player would they take in that slot. If they take Bender at #4, would they look to directly replace Knight with someone like Jaylen Brown?
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Post#9 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 1, 2016 2:58 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.


Might be open to Knight for 8th? Hell I'm not sure I'd take Knight for free on that contract with his limitations. I certainly don't want Bledsoe for the 8th, torn meniscus, knee surgery, 6 seasons in the nba and 3 major injuries? You might even take on Gay, wow thanks you will take a top 10-12 small forward who averages nearly 20ppg for free Im surprised! I have a rule, if you cant stay healthy I don't want you. I have no doubt Bledsoe is a good player when healthy but I'm good off a player with multiple knee surgeries who has shown he can't stay healthy.

I wouldn't trade Cousins to Phx for anything on the roster. That offer is insulting. A quarter, 2 dimes, a nickel, and an iou for 5 years later doesn't equal a dollar, and then you want Gay as if he's some salary dump lol. Come on man....


Always so indignant when discussing Cousins... Currently, Phoenix has some of the best assets in the NBA. So if you were to trade Cousins I think the Kings would see what they have to offer.

As far as Bledsoe goes, he has been undervalued on this forum since his last injury. The eighth pick in this draft isn't going to move the needle. He is in the Morris Zone right now. Suns fans think they can get a good return even with the injury history. Other teams fans seem to think he is worth Jaylen Brown and Marco Belinelli.
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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#10 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 1, 2016 3:25 pm

Let's make sure we keep the conversation civil please. No need to take any of these proposals personally. And we need to always be careful not to generalize.
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Re: Re: Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#11 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 1, 2016 3:38 pm

BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:Yeah the only way I see the kings entertaining a knight deal would be #8, Belinelli and Koufos for Knight and #13.


I agree that Knight would be used to move up along with #13.
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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#12 » by the_process » Wed Jun 1, 2016 4:04 pm

jredsaz wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.


Might be open to Knight for 8th? Hell I'm not sure I'd take Knight for free on that contract with his limitations. I certainly don't want Bledsoe for the 8th, torn meniscus, knee surgery, 6 seasons in the nba and 3 major injuries? You might even take on Gay, wow thanks you will take a top 10-12 small forward who averages nearly 20ppg for free Im surprised! I have a rule, if you cant stay healthy I don't want you. I have no doubt Bledsoe is a good player when healthy but I'm good off a player with multiple knee surgeries who has shown he can't stay healthy.

I wouldn't trade Cousins to Phx for anything on the roster. That offer is insulting. A quarter, 2 dimes, a nickel, and an iou for 5 years later doesn't equal a dollar, and then you want Gay as if he's some salary dump lol. Come on man....


Always so indignant when discussing Cousins... Currently, Phoenix has some of the best assets in the NBA. So if you were to trade Cousins I think the Kings would see what they have to offer.

As far as Bledsoe goes, he has been undervalued on this forum since his last injury. The eighth pick in this draft isn't going to move the needle. He is in the Morris Zone right now. Suns fans think they can get a good return even with the injury history. Other teams fans seem to think he is worth Jaylen Brown and Marco Belinelli.


I'm still amazed McD conned Grunfeld into a lotto pick for Markieff. Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice, though. Bledsoe's value is way down because he is chronically injured.
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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#13 » by tru6playa » Wed Jun 1, 2016 4:05 pm

I love the idea of adding Bledsoe to the Kings' roster. But man, his injury history is beyond concerning. With the Kings' luck lately, I'd say it's too risky.
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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#14 » by JB2 » Wed Jun 1, 2016 4:32 pm

I think both teams need to do this trade TBH

Kings need to start putting together a roster that can win games and keep Boogie excited and focused in Sac. Bledsoe does that.

PHX (maybe) has the opportunity to build what I think could be a top backcourt in a few years in Dunn and Booker. This trade helps them clear out guys in front of them in order to do so.

Suns should then trae Knight to Brooklyn for RHJ and build around a very nice young core.
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Re: Re: Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#15 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jun 1, 2016 4:35 pm

jredsaz wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.


Might be open to Knight for 8th? Hell I'm not sure I'd take Knight for free on that contract with his limitations. I certainly don't want Bledsoe for the 8th, torn meniscus, knee surgery, 6 seasons in the nba and 3 major injuries? You might even take on Gay, wow thanks you will take a top 10-12 small forward who averages nearly 20ppg for free Im surprised! I have a rule, if you cant stay healthy I don't want you. I have no doubt Bledsoe is a good player when healthy but I'm good off a player with multiple knee surgeries who has shown he can't stay healthy.

I wouldn't trade Cousins to Phx for anything on the roster. That offer is insulting. A quarter, 2 dimes, a nickel, and an iou for 5 years later doesn't equal a dollar, and then you want Gay as if he's some salary dump lol. Come on man....


Always so indignant when discussing Cousins... Currently, Phoenix has some of the best assets in the NBA. So if you were to trade Cousins I think the Kings would see what they have to offer.

As far as Bledsoe goes, he has been undervalued on this forum since his last injury. The eighth pick in this draft isn't going to move the needle. He is in the Morris Zone right now. Suns fans think they can get a good return even with the injury history. Other teams fans seem to think he is worth Jaylen Brown and Marco Belinelli.


I think as far as rebuilding teams they don't come close to the top. top teams with rebuilding assets being Philly/Boston/Minnesota/Bucks/Utah/Lakers who all dwarf Phx in top assets and many other teams who are higher as well. I think most people understand Cousins value is much higher than that offer. We would be expecting the #1 or #2 overall and then another top level prospect.

Thats fantastic you think so, I suggest you hold onto him. As I said a guy who can't stay healthy and has 2 knee surgeries in the last 3 years is really not worth that much. I have no interest in an injured player, and I see why you don't want to make the trade but to act like his value is significantly higher than #8 is insane, it just isn't he is not a superstar, he has never even made an allstar team. Eric Gordon also had a ton of value, now I am not sure if he gets more than 6 million per year. Bledsoe is a year away from being in that territory..

As I have said a million times, I've liked Bledsoe since his days in LA he was always one of my favorite players to watch, I will root for him to get healthy but until he does I don't understand how you can expect some huge ransom. If another team wants to overpay for that gamble so be it, but I don't see the value. I am not arguing with you, hold onto him let him get healthy and regain his value it would be stupid to trade him right now when his value is at an alltime low and his career is in question. Injury prone players coming off serious Knee injuries never get that kind of value it just doesn't happen.
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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#16 » by Kings2013 » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:01 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.


I think you mean the 13/Knight would be for Gay (which I wouldn't do). Gay is still a top ten SF
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Post#17 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:10 pm

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Might be open to Knight for 8th? Hell I'm not sure I'd take Knight for free on that contract with his limitations. I certainly don't want Bledsoe for the 8th, torn meniscus, knee surgery, 6 seasons in the nba and 3 major injuries? You might even take on Gay, wow thanks you will take a top 10-12 small forward who averages nearly 20ppg for free Im surprised! I have a rule, if you cant stay healthy I don't want you. I have no doubt Bledsoe is a good player when healthy but I'm good off a player with multiple knee surgeries who has shown he can't stay healthy.

I wouldn't trade Cousins to Phx for anything on the roster. That offer is insulting. A quarter, 2 dimes, a nickel, and an iou for 5 years later doesn't equal a dollar, and then you want Gay as if he's some salary dump lol. Come on man....


Always so indignant when discussing Cousins... Currently, Phoenix has some of the best assets in the NBA. So if you were to trade Cousins I think the Kings would see what they have to offer.

As far as Bledsoe goes, he has been undervalued on this forum since his last injury. The eighth pick in this draft isn't going to move the needle. He is in the Morris Zone right now. Suns fans think they can get a good return even with the injury history. Other teams fans seem to think he is worth Jaylen Brown and Marco Belinelli.


I think as far as rebuilding teams they don't come close to the top. top teams with rebuilding assets being Philly/Boston/Minnesota/Bucks/Utah/Lakers who all dwarf Phx in top assets and many other teams who are higher as well. I think most people understand Cousins value is much higher than that offer. We would be expecting the #1 or #2 overall and then another top level prospect.

Thats fantastic you think so, I suggest you hold onto him. As I said a guy who can't stay healthy and has 2 knee surgeries in the last 3 years is really not worth that much. I have no interest in an injured player, and I see why you don't want to make the trade but to act like his value is significantly higher than #8 is insane, it just isn't he is not a superstar, he has never even made an allstar team. Eric Gordon also had a ton of value, now I am not sure if he gets more than 6 million per year. Bledsoe is a year away from being in that territory..

As I have said a million times, I've liked Bledsoe since his days in LA he was always one of my favorite players to watch, I will root for him to get healthy but until he does I don't understand how you can expect some huge ransom. If another team wants to overpay for that gamble so be it, but I don't see the value. I am not arguing with you, hold onto him let him get healthy and regain his value it would be stupid to trade him right now when his value is at an alltime low and his career is in question. Injury prone players coming off serious Knee injuries never get that kind of value it just doesn't happen.


Dwarf? Lol. In the end, does Minnesota have better "assets" than the Suns? Sure, if you count Wiggins and KAT. But they would not trade those assets for a guy like Boogie or essentially anyone. Milwaukee? You're going to have to explain that one because the Greek isn't going anywhere. When considering actual moveable, acquirable assets Suns are easily top five.

As for Bledsoe, as I said before, people under value him here and over value him on the Suns forum. Odds are Knight is the odd man out if the Suns are making a move involving someone from our backcourt.
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Post#18 » by The Beam King » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:22 pm

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Always so indignant when discussing Cousins... Currently, Phoenix has some of the best assets in the NBA. So if you were to trade Cousins I think the Kings would see what they have to offer.

As far as Bledsoe goes, he has been undervalued on this forum since his last injury. The eighth pick in this draft isn't going to move the needle. He is in the Morris Zone right now. Suns fans think they can get a good return even with the injury history. Other teams fans seem to think he is worth Jaylen Brown and Marco Belinelli.


I think as far as rebuilding teams they don't come close to the top. top teams with rebuilding assets being Philly/Boston/Minnesota/Bucks/Utah/Lakers who all dwarf Phx in top assets and many other teams who are higher as well. I think most people understand Cousins value is much higher than that offer. We would be expecting the #1 or #2 overall and then another top level prospect.

Thats fantastic you think so, I suggest you hold onto him. As I said a guy who can't stay healthy and has 2 knee surgeries in the last 3 years is really not worth that much. I have no interest in an injured player, and I see why you don't want to make the trade but to act like his value is significantly higher than #8 is insane, it just isn't he is not a superstar, he has never even made an allstar team. Eric Gordon also had a ton of value, now I am not sure if he gets more than 6 million per year. Bledsoe is a year away from being in that territory..

As I have said a million times, I've liked Bledsoe since his days in LA he was always one of my favorite players to watch, I will root for him to get healthy but until he does I don't understand how you can expect some huge ransom. If another team wants to overpay for that gamble so be it, but I don't see the value. I am not arguing with you, hold onto him let him get healthy and regain his value it would be stupid to trade him right now when his value is at an alltime low and his career is in question. Injury prone players coming off serious Knee injuries never get that kind of value it just doesn't happen.


Dwarf? Lol. In the end, does Minnesota have better "assets" than the Suns? Sure, if you count Wiggins and KAT. But they would not trade those assets for a guy like Boogie or essentially anyone. Milwaukee? You're going to have to explain that one because the Greek isn't going anywhere. When considering actual moveable, acquirable assets Suns are easily top five.

As for Bledsoe, as I said before, people under value him here and over value him on the Suns forum. Odds are Knight is the odd man out if the Suns are making a move involving someone from our backcourt.

I think Bledsoe injury history puts his trade value on par with Knight. Once again I would offer more than 8, belli and Koufos for 13 and bledsoe

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Re: Bledsoe to Kings 

Post#19 » by patman52 » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:27 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:Nope.

We might be open to Knight for #8. MIGHT. But its a big hell no on Bledsoe.

Suns would rather try to obtain Cousins to pair with Bledsoe. Maybe something like #4/#13/Len/Knight/2021 Miami 1st. Maybe even take on Gay if need be.


I think you mean the 13/Knight would be for Gay (which I wouldn't do). Gay is still a top ten SF


Why not? do you think Gay stays in Sac in 2017? I certainly don't. Gay as an expiring is worth a bottom 1st. Knight is signed for 4 years at 14 mill. The value between 8 and 13 is negligible this year. But the suns don't need another SF they need a PF. While knight may not be a pure point, he is locked up for 4 years and if the kings don't want to bottom out (the should IMO) This is a nice trade.
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Post#20 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:27 pm

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Always so indignant when discussing Cousins... Currently, Phoenix has some of the best assets in the NBA. So if you were to trade Cousins I think the Kings would see what they have to offer.

As far as Bledsoe goes, he has been undervalued on this forum since his last injury. The eighth pick in this draft isn't going to move the needle. He is in the Morris Zone right now. Suns fans think they can get a good return even with the injury history. Other teams fans seem to think he is worth Jaylen Brown and Marco Belinelli.


I think as far as rebuilding teams they don't come close to the top. top teams with rebuilding assets being Philly/Boston/Minnesota/Bucks/Utah/Lakers who all dwarf Phx in top assets and many other teams who are higher as well. I think most people understand Cousins value is much higher than that offer. We would be expecting the #1 or #2 overall and then another top level prospect.

Thats fantastic you think so, I suggest you hold onto him. As I said a guy who can't stay healthy and has 2 knee surgeries in the last 3 years is really not worth that much. I have no interest in an injured player, and I see why you don't want to make the trade but to act like his value is significantly higher than #8 is insane, it just isn't he is not a superstar, he has never even made an allstar team. Eric Gordon also had a ton of value, now I am not sure if he gets more than 6 million per year. Bledsoe is a year away from being in that territory..

As I have said a million times, I've liked Bledsoe since his days in LA he was always one of my favorite players to watch, I will root for him to get healthy but until he does I don't understand how you can expect some huge ransom. If another team wants to overpay for that gamble so be it, but I don't see the value. I am not arguing with you, hold onto him let him get healthy and regain his value it would be stupid to trade him right now when his value is at an alltime low and his career is in question. Injury prone players coming off serious Knee injuries never get that kind of value it just doesn't happen.


Dwarf? Lol. In the end, does Minnesota have better "assets" than the Suns? Sure, if you count Wiggins and KAT. But they would not trade those assets for a guy like Boogie or essentially anyone. Milwaukee? You're going to have to explain that one because the Greek isn't going anywhere. When considering actual moveable, acquirable assets Suns are easily top five.

As for Bledsoe, as I said before, people under value him here and over value him on the Suns forum. Odds are Knight is the odd man out if the Suns are making a move involving someone from our backcourt.


Movable? What defines movable? every player is movable for the right asset. It doesn't sound like the Suns want to move Booker does than mean he doesn't count as an asset?

The problem is that if Bledsoe is healthy you shouldn't move him for 8th and if he isn't then the other team shouldn't trade for him. I will just say if you are expecting to get the level of asset you traded to get Knight back in a Knight trade, you should really temper your expectations.

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