BOS/PHI the balancing act a trio of Celts for Embid

eitanr · Post #1 » by **eitanr** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:08 pm

Marcus Smart, RJ Hunter and James Young
FOR
Joel Embid

Why for Boston: so here's the thing fellow Celtics fans. If we truly want to win a title and don't want to risk moving the BK pick we need to consolidate assets and get a guy who, if healthy, may be capable of putting this team over the top.

We all saw that both Cleveland (with Biyambo) and GSW (with Thompson and Adams dominating them) are vulnerable to bigs who can board and dominate the paint. Horford really isn't that guy. Netting a 5 who may kill these teams in a series is worth exploring.

The main thing here is Boston doesn't move any valuable BK picks and gets a former 3 pick who may now be healthy and dominate in right role. SMART departure hurts but the team just signed Green, have Rozier waiting in wings and signed Jackson.

For Philly: Sixers need a PG and wings. SMART is supposed to have a breakout year, something that is more plausible in Philly. With Sixers he can control the offense more and greatly improve their perimeter D.

wise1-2 · Post #2 » by **wise1-2** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:12 pm

Philly wouldn't do that. Better to just see what Embiids got.

Homerclease · Post #3 » by **Homerclease** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:14 pm

First and only post on this, if Philly is trading Embiid at this point it means he's damaged goods. They simply cannot do it. They have to get him on the court. With that in mind philly turns this down

Post #4 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:17 pm

This is probably a deal Philly should take--Smart is a good young player and Hunter has the shooting pedigree that makes him worth a look. And I'll be surprised if Embiid is ever healthy enough to have a real NBA career.

But if the best piece I'm getting back is Marcus Smart, I'll just keep my big man lotto ticket. I'm not far enough along to value more immediate help over the potential of Embiid.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #5 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:19 pm

They've waited all this time - they have to check him out now. Smart is nice, but that's a player you can get. Embiid has unobtainium potential.

Post #6 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:21 pm

By all reports, Embiid looks better than he looked when he was viewed as the highest ceiling prospect and likely #1 pick out of a Wiggins/Parker/Embiid trio. Selling when he is finally declared 100% healthy isn't wise. You have to see what you have.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #7 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:23 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:By all reports, Embiid looks better than he looked when he was viewed as the highest ceiling prospect and likely #1 pick out of a Wiggins/Parker/Embiid trio. Selling when he is finally declared 100% healthy isn't wise. You have to see what you have.

Agreed, just look at that power

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Post #8 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:23 pm

Homerclease wrote:First and only post on this, if Philly is trading Embiid at this point it means he's damaged goods. They simply cannot do it. They have to get him on the court. With that in mind philly turns this down

And yeah, Embiid is very much the embodiment of Akerlof's lemon problem.

If he is available at a reasonable price, the reasonable price is too much and you shouldn't offer it.

Aussiepiston1 · Post #9 » by **Aussiepiston1** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:27 pm

Nice Try OP.

the_process · Post #10 » by **the_process** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:19 pm

This idea is all kinds of wrong. Embiid is the poster child for "more valuable to us than he is to you."

Also please note James Young is negative value. He's a bust and about to be cut.

patman52 · Post #11 » by **patman52** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:52 pm

Philly would be nuts to make that trade.

PhillyNj · Post #12 » by **PhillyNj** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:59 am

eitanr wrote:Marcus Smart, RJ Hunter and James Young
FOR
Joel Embid

Why for Boston: so here's the thing fellow Celtics fans. If we truly want to win a title and don't want to risk moving the BK pick we need to consolidate assets and get a guy who, if healthy, may be capable of putting this team over the top.

We all saw that both Cleveland (with Biyambo) and GSW (with Thompson and Adams dominating them) are vulnerable to bigs who can board and dominate the paint. Horford really isn't that guy. Netting a 5 who may kill these teams in a series is worth exploring.

The main thing here is Boston doesn't move any valuable BK picks and gets a former 3 pick who may now be healthy and dominate in right role. SMART departure hurts but the team just signed Green, have Rozier waiting in wings and signed Jackson.

For Philly: Sixers need a PG and wings. SMART is supposed to have a breakout year, something that is more plausible in Philly. With Sixers he can control the offense more and greatly improve their perimeter D.

A bunch of crap for Embiidi, No thanks

Post #13 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:03 am

PhillyNj wrote:A bunch of crap for Embiidi, No thanks

Smart isn't crap, he's an elite defensive specialist that plays on the perimeter, there aren't many of them left. I've been against trading for him because he doesn't fit here, but he's not simply a throw in piece, either.

PhillyNj · Post #14 » by **PhillyNj** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:09 am

If you offered those 3 bums AND THE Brookland pick the answer would still be NO!

NashtyNas · Post #15 » by **NashtyNas** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:23 am

PhillyNj wrote:If you offered those 3 bums AND THE Brookland pick the answer would still be NO!

This is asinine. Don't call other teams' players bums just because you don't like a deal. That's really not acceptable.

Post #16 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:24 am

PhillyNj wrote:If you offered those 3 bums AND THE Brookland pick the answer would still be NO!

I'm not sure how to say this nicely, but your takes always feel incredibly rapidly pro-sixers and not balanced. You can like the Sixers players/assets/etc without coming across as someone who totally discredits anything that isn't a part of the team. I won't suggest this again, but maybe try and zoom out your lens and try and take a more balanced opinion of non Sixers players around the league.

corwin · Post #17 » by **corwin** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:27 am

We've waited two years for Embiid, one of the best prospects of the last 10 years for a trade like this. This should be locked.

Post #18 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:29 am

corwin wrote:We've waited two years for Embiid, one of the best prospects of the last 10 years for a trade like this. This should be locked.

Multiple Mods have posted itt without feeling the need to lock it. So please refrain from backseat moderating. In the future if you feel a thread is inappropriate please use the report function with a brief explanation as to why and we will be happy to review it.

I agree with you that Philly shouldn't make a deal like this but I hardly think we need to censor the topic particularly as the board isn't flooded with Embiid talk.

Chuck

corwin · Post #19 » by **corwin** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:40 am

No. -- Hartfordwhalers

Kizz Fastfists · Post #20 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:50 am

If you replace Hunter and Young with Isaiah Thomas and Jaylen Brown you might get Philly to consider it. Yes, I realize that doesn't work from Boston's side. The two are not good trade partners as the Celtics aren't going to give Philly the guards they would want back in giving up one of their valuable big men. If Boston has used the 3rd pick on Dunn they might have been able to do something like Dunn, Smart and a future pick for Embiid, Okafor or Noel.

That would given Philly a PG to develop with the rest of their youth in Dunn and a combo guard in Smart that could have been a solid ball handler off the bench for them going forward. They'd still need a solid starting SG, but they would have the start of a well balanced roster with a lot of cap room for next off-season and another pair of lottery picks, unless the LAL pick ends up top 3.