KOTB: Indy/Sac/Charlotte

[HartfordWhalers]

"If you believe all teams would accept this trade, vote yes. If you believe otherwise, vote no. Please explain your vote."

Indiana out: Monta Ellis, Rodney Stuckey, Jeremy Evans
Indiana in: Jeremy Lamb, Ben McLemore, Spencer Hawes

Sacramento out: Kosta Koufos, Ben McLemore
Sacramento in: Monta Ellis, Jeremy Evans

Charlotte out: Jeremy Lamb, Spencer Hawes
Charlotte in: Kosta Koufos, Rodney Stuckey

Why?

Indiana desperately needs different fits at sg. McLemore upgrades to a 36% 3 point shooter from Ellis' 31%, and Lamb is just 24, adding some younger legs to the rotation at backup sg. Hawes also adds serious floor spacing (37% from 3), allowing more room for the rest of the Pacers offense to work. Cap wise it is subbing out 18m for 13m, so it frees up room for next season depending upon what they do with McLemore's rfa rights.

Sacramento uses Koufos (from an area of obvious abundance) to get a volume scorer needed for their bench in Ellis, and Evans can bolster deep sf or be cut.

Charlotte jumps in to get a solid backup center, and Stuckey who can help Sessions with the backup guard rotation. But they are in this for the backup center upgrade, and it is a big one.

[pacers33granger]

As much as I want to see what Monta can do this year without nagging injuries, I'd have to pull the trigger on this from Indy's POV. We need the shooting and freeing up that money could get us enough to re-negotiate Teague's deal or even PG's.

[jbk1234]

Charlotte gets cut out of this trade pretty quickly. I'm a no.

[Texas Chuck]

Charlotte gets cut out of this trade pretty quickly. I'm a no.

They get the best player of the 4 that are involved in their portion. Typically in that case that team wouldn't exit quickly. I agree they'd prefer not to swap Lamb for Stuckey, but if things go well for them Lamb is a fringe rotation piece at best. Maybe they trust Hibbert to give them 20 good minutes, but I certainly wouldn't.

My biggest concern would be the Kings where Monta feels like a potential problem addition--particularly if you are asking him to come off the bench as HW suggested. But its certainly good value for them.


I'll give this a KOTB: yes

[jbk1234]

Charlotte gets cut out of this trade pretty quickly. I'm a no.

They get the best player of the 4 that are involved in their portion. Typically in that case that team wouldn't exit quickly. I agree they'd prefer not to swap Lamb for Stuckey, but if things go well for them Lamb is a fringe rotation piece at best. Maybe they trust Hibbert to give them 20 good minutes, but I certainly wouldn't.

My biggest concern would be the Kings where Monta feels like a potential problem addition--particularly if you are asking him to come off the bench as HW suggested. But its certainly good value for them.


I'll give this a KOTB: yes

Yeah I'm saying the Pacers and Kings would cut them out. You'd have an outside shot at dumping Lamb on somebody for pure cap space (because the league still has dumb GMs). But Lamb + Hawes has negative value IMO. Most teams would rather have the cap space next summer because they aren't going to give you enough on the court this year to justify the missed opportunity cost.

[patman52]

I think this works. Yes.

[LightTheBeam]

I'll give this a no. I certainly don't like Monte and don't think we can allocate enough Shots to make him effective. Lawson and Ellis off the bench seems terrible imo.

As Kings fans have said regardless if it's a good rotation with Afflalo/Temple/Richardson and Bogdan coming next year there's no room for Monta 2 year contract and possible even 3 years. I'd pass although the value seems fine. Had he been an expiring I'd probably give it a try but as is no thanks.

Looks decent for charlotte although I think they are counting on lamb stepping up some this year.

Pacers are getting a good deal, Lamb seems like a really good fit at shooting guard.

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[winter_mute_13]

I like the IND-SAC part. FWIW, SAC fans have said repeatedly that their team has no interest in Ellis.

For the CHA part though, I was thinking I'd rather have Koufus + Stuckey than Lamb + Hawes. But for KOTB purposes, I guess it's close enough. KOTB yes

[HartfordWhalers]

As much as I want to see what Monta can do this year without nagging injuries, I'd have to pull the trigger on this from Indy's POV. We need the shooting and freeing up that money could get us enough to re-negotiate Teague's deal or even PG's.

Do you think it would be a yes from all team's perspectives, or a no from someone other than Indy?

[pacers33granger]

As much as I want to see what Monta can do this year without nagging injuries, I'd have to pull the trigger on this from Indy's POV. We need the shooting and freeing up that money could get us enough to re-negotiate Teague's deal or even PG's.

Do you think it would be a yes from all team's perspectives, or a no from someone other than Indy?

Forgot about the KOTB part. I'd have to say no from Sacramento's perspective. I think Koufos has slightly more value than Ellis, but Kings fans have been adamant about the poor fit with Ellis and Evans has negative value clearly, while Mclemore at least has neutral if not slightly positive value.

[HartfordWhalers]

As much as I want to see what Monta can do this year without nagging injuries, I'd have to pull the trigger on this from Indy's POV. We need the shooting and freeing up that money could get us enough to re-negotiate Teague's deal or even PG's.

Do you think it would be a yes from all team's perspectives, or a no from someone other than Indy?

Forgot about the KOTB part. I'd have to say no from Sacramento's perspective. I think Koufos has slightly more value than Ellis, but Kings fans have been adamant about the poor fit with Ellis and Evans has negative value clearly, while Mclemore at least has neutral if not slightly positive value.

Damnit, never mind the question then!!!!

[kalenclayton]

I like the IND-SAC part. FWIW, SAC fans have said repeatedly that their team has no interest in Ellis.

For the CHA part though, I was thinking I'd rather have Koufus + Stuckey than Lamb + Hawes. But for KOTB purposes, I guess it's close enough. KOTB yes

As Kings fans, we are divided on this issue. Personally, I would absolutely love Monta on the Kings. He would provide us with another ball handler and another good player still under contract next year. Maybe Joerger gives the man the right guidance to push his talents to the right direction. Monta is certainly an extremely talented basketball player, but he doesn't always make the right decisions. I think he would mesh well with Cousins and WCS.

As for the trade, I believe this is great for all parties.

KOTB: yes

[basketballwacko2]

"If you believe all teams would accept this trade, vote yes. If you believe otherwise, vote no. Please explain your vote."

Indiana out: Monta Ellis, Rodney Stuckey, Jeremy Evans
Indiana in: Jeremy Lamb, Ben McLemore, Spencer Hawes

Sacramento out: Kosta Koufos, Ben McLemore
Sacramento in: Monta Ellis, Jeremy Evans

Charlotte out: Jeremy Lamb, Spencer Hawes
Charlotte in: Kosta Koufos, Rodney Stuckey

Why?

Indiana desperately needs different fits at sg. McLemore upgrades to a 36% 3 point shooter from Ellis' 31%, and Lamb is just 24, adding some younger legs to the rotation at backup sg. Hawes also adds serious floor spacing (37% from 3), allowing more room for the rest of the Pacers offense to work. Cap wise it is subbing out 18m for 13m, so it frees up room for next season depending upon what they do with McLemore's rfa rights.

Sacramento uses Koufos (from an area of obvious abundance) to get a volume scorer needed for their bench in Ellis, and Evans can bolster deep sf or be cut.

Charlotte jumps in to get a solid backup center, and Stuckey who can help Sessions with the backup guard rotation. But they are in this for the backup center upgrade, and it is a big one.

Find a 4th team to take Lamb and I'm ok with it, although I think Monta is gonna have a very nice season for the Pacers. No way Bird does this because he's committed to Monta for at least one more full season.

I'll trim it down to this.

Indiana in McLemore, and Hawes
Indiana out Evans, Stuckey 2 2nd round picks and $1.2 million in cash

Kings in Evans, 2018 2nd and $1.2 million
Kings out McLemore

Hornets in Stuckey, 2019 2nd
Hornets out Hawes

The kings save $4 million from McLemore and cut Evans get $1.2 million to pay him and get a 2nd for their trouble.

The Hornets get Stuckey for Hawes who is not needed

Pacers get McLemore and Hawes for Stuckey and Evans and the 2nds. Hawes is not really needed but might help out if there are injuries.

[Fotis St]

Really good trade proposal.

For the Pacers
That Pacer fan above ... accepting the trade of Monta Ellis, after scouting myself the contracts, convinced me that the Pacers are willing to do it. My first thoughts though were, that Pacers won't do it, cause the experience of Monta Ellis in the playoffs, can help more than any player of this trade, to overcome or compete the Cavaliers or the Toronto. Ellis is a clutch player too. . Hawes/Miles Turner/Al/Thad. Young is a good rotation on frontcourt too. I would say a maybe yes from Pacers with the addition of Ben for a year plus his bird rights.

For the Sacramento
Sacramento fans are split. I would say they would do it. They would use Ellis/Temple/Afflalo are the SGs, but I believe the Sac would use Monta as combo guard, PG minutes to Monta is a solution. They trade a C and don't receive one, so my belief is a yes from Sac

For the Charlotte
As Pacers fan said above that "he is not sure about Charlotee, value are close and for KOTB purposes voted Yes" ... I am really NOT so close to Yes. Charlotte trades a SG and PF/C with range and receive a PG (Stuckey) not really needed, (Kemba Walker,Ramon Sessions) and a C (Koufos) not needed this year (Roy Hillbert,Kaminsky,Zeller) but could be usefull for next year, if they let Roy and Zeller leave. Now let's focus on Stuckey. Stuckey at Charlotte is either a 3rd string PG, or a backup SG. But Stuckey is not better than Lamb as a SG, and Lamb has a better contract. Stuckey could turn into 1 year loan cause of the Player Option in his contract.

It is a clear No from Charlotte. This trade got stuck by Stuckey. Really close, good proposal though. Someone else should return to Charlotte.

KOTB vote No from Charlotte.

[Diop]

would've loved this predraft as it might have saved us from the Belinelli trade

[HartfordWhalers]

Charlotte gets cut out of this trade pretty quickly. I'm a no.

1 No.

I'll give this a KOTB: yes

1 Yes, 1 No.

I think this works. Yes.

2 Yes, 1 No.

I'll give this a no.

2 Yes, 2 No.

for KOTB purposes, I guess it's close enough. KOTB yes

3 Yes, 2 No.

Forgot about the KOTB part. I'd have to say no from Sacramento's perspective.

3 yes, 3 No.

As for the trade, I believe this is great for all parties. KOTB: yes

4 Yes, 3 No.

Find a 4th team to take Lamb and I'm ok with it, although I think Monta is gonna have a very nice season for the Pacers. No way Bird does this because he's committed to Monta for at least one more full season.

I'll trim it down to this...

Is this a formal KOTB no?

4 Yes, 3 or 4 No.

Really good trade proposal.

KOTB vote No from Charlotte.

That either makes it 4/4 and next vote decides, or kills it after calling it a great trade.

[HartfordWhalers]

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[BullyKing]

I'm going to give this a.......






















Yes

[Fotis St]

Count again.... My vote is the 5th NO ... basketballwacko 4th No, mine 5th no... You made a mistake with basketballwacko count...

[Fotis St]

Count again.... My vote is the 5th NO ... basketballwacko 4th No, mine 5th no... You made a mistake with basketballwacko count... Buzzer beater doesn't count after the video replay center.