Can it be done: make a Whiteside to Boston trade that works for both?

[HartfordWhalers]

I was going to post my version of this. But instead I'm just going to ask can it be done, and see if there is any consensus or if it dies in a bloody heap of debated value.

Especially since apparently Boston can protect the Nets picks in a trade (top 3, top 5 etc).

Why for Boston:
They need defense. They need rebounding. They need a center. They are all set to cash in on a Cousins type deal and have a roster that looks great. But if it is not Cousins, what can they do? So, why not go for one of the best centers in the league, still youngish, and a perfect roster fit. And locked up long term.

Why for Miami:
They bottom out and get some prime rebuilding assets from a team with an overabundance of prime rebuilding assets. Move Dragic in a separate deal and look to suddenly have one of the most intriguing young cores within a year, tons of cap space and an attractive free agent market, etc.


So, is there a way to make everyone reasonably happy here?
Brown and/or Smart and/or Nets pick(s) with what protection(s) and/or other picks and/or other young players?

Filler could be Jerebko and Amir now or Amir and Zeller come January

[Smitty731]

I think the challenge is that Miami would want a young big back that could replace Whiteside now and in the future. The Celtics don't have that. Brown is fine, but he plays the same spot at Winslow, who Miami loves and neither is really big enough to play PF. Smart, also fine, but they have a lot invested in the backcourt already and will have to pay Richardson soon too.

If Boston was getting Whiteside, it would have to involve one or both Nets picks and they'd probably have to eat McRoberts deal too. That isn't the end of the world, as McRoberts could do ok in Stevens system.

So, that leaves us with basically the package you listed, but the Celtics also eating McRoberts.

[Texas Chuck]

I think absolutely it can be done. And it should be something Boston pursues. Not sure about Miami. If Riley is willing to gamble that no team will sign and play Bosh, then he might think he should keep Whiteside and try and lure veteran free agents. But that's a dangerous game and selling Dragic and Whiteside and re-loading on assets makes sense---and he could still chase free agents.

My attempt:

Zeller
Jerebko
Brown
Rozier
2017 BOS 1st (with swap rights) unprotected, 2018 Brooklyn pick (top 3, top 1, unprotected)

for

Whiteside
Winslow
Babbitt

I loved Winslow coming into the league but its clear his shooting at Duke was a mirage. So Brown is the higher ceiling prospect imo. So the Heat get Brown and 2 very high ceiling picks(with high floors too imo).

Celtics solidify their starting lineup and get a guy more ready to contribute right now in Winslow.

[BleedGreen1989]

I don't think it's crazy to prefer Whiteside.

[Golabki]

[quote="Texas Chuck"]I think absolutely it can be done. And it should be something Boston pursues. Not sure about Miami. If Riley is willing to gamble that no team will sign and play Bosh, then he might think he should keep Whiteside and try and lure veteran free agents. But that's a dangerous game and selling Dragic and Whiteside and re-loading on assets makes sense---and he could still chase free agents.

My attempt:

Zeller
Jerebko
Brown
Rozier
2017 BOS 1st (with swap rights) unprotected, 2018 Brooklyn pick (top 3, top 1, unprotected)

for

Whiteside
Winslow
Babbitt

I loved Winslow coming into the league but its clear his shooting at Duke was a mirage. So Brown is the higher ceiling prospect imo. So the Heat get Brown and 2 very high ceiling picks(with high floors too imo).

Celtics solidify their starting lineup and get a guy more ready to contribute right now in Winslow.[/quote]
I don't understand what this means...
"2017 BOS 1st (with swap rights) unprotected, 2018 Brooklyn pick (top 3, top 1, unprotected)"

[Golabki]

I see Whitesides as a poor man's DeAndre Jordan. A good player for sure, but not worth a blue chip asset (Brown or either Bky pick) from the Cs.

[Texas Chuck]

what's not clear? The Celtics trade their pick this year unprotected which obviously comes with swap rights with the Nets. And they trade next year's Nets picks with the protections I listed--NBA recently changed rules allowing teams to put protections on picks from other teams.

Or to really simplify it:

Heat get the better of Boston/Brooklyn 1st this year no matter where it falls and gets the Brooklyn pick top 3 protected next year.

[BullyKing]

I see Whitesides as a poor man's DeAndre Jordan. A good player for sure, but not worth a blue chip asset (Brown or either Bky pick) from the Cs.

I'm sorry but it is absolutely laughable if you don't think Whiteside is worth any of Brown or either Brooklyn pick.

[Texas Chuck]

I see Whitesides as a poor man's DeAndre Jordan. A good player for sure, but not worth a blue chip asset (Brown or either Bky pick) from the Cs.

I'm sorry but it is absolutely laughable if you don't think Whiteside is worth any of Brown or either Brooklyn pick.

I mean in a vacuum if you still believe the Nets picks are top 5 and you are one of those who believe we can define a draft this far in advance, I could listen to an argument of trying to grab a franchise perimeter player over Whiteside (or Jordan who was also named).

But for the Celtics specifically who go from 2nd round ceiling to fringe championship contender by adding Whiteside(or Jordan)? Yeah I disagree with not going for it.

But I also understand that maybe nobody on the Trade Board is as philosophically committed to going hard for championships rather than hording assets and hoping. I ripped Presti when the Thunder had a championship core but with clear holes and lots of assets and he chose to have his cake and eat it too and got one Finals trip and watched all those assets but Adams wither away to nothing.

If they let the cheap contracts of Bradley and Thomas expire before they have added that significant piece that makes them a legit contender in the name of holding on to assets I will consider it a huge disappointment. This is a very unique situation where you have 3 starters making essentially one starter's money with plenty of really cheap bench pieces. Strike.

[LightTheBeam]

I see Whitesides as a poor man's DeAndre Jordan. A good player for sure, but not worth a blue chip asset (Brown or either Bky pick) from the Cs.

I'm sorry but it is absolutely laughable if you don't think Whiteside is worth any of Brown or either Brooklyn pick.

His offensive game is also 10x better than deandre (and I love Jordan that's just the truth)

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[DusterBuster]

What happened to all the Heat fans at RealGM? I'm curious to hear what they think about Whiteside at the moment. He's been putting up amazing numbers this season, but I see his name come up semi regularly here and don't know why. It would seem they would be crazy to want to trade him, but I never hear from them so I'm never sure what the deal is.

[BleedGreen1989]

I see Whitesides as a poor man's DeAndre Jordan. A good player for sure, but not worth a blue chip asset (Brown or either Bky pick) from the Cs.

I get not wanting to trade it all for him, but I would absolutely trade one or the other.

[jbent87]

Gotta believe Danny tries to get Winslow as well if he can turn this into a blockbuster but where does he fit with Crowder still on the team? Super 6th man? Or does Crowder go?

[HartfordWhalers]

My thought was:
Salary filler: Jerebko (I want a deal now but if not now then Zeller, sure), Amir
Assets: Brown, '17 pick (top 3 protected, if not becomes ?) '18 (top 3 protected, if not becomes ? *ALso, is unprotected if '17 pick is top 3). I feel like for the ? I will go Boston's 2020 top 10 protected.


So:
Brown
'17 Nets pick (unless top 3)
'18 Nets pick (unless top 3 and '17 wasn't top 3)
{'20 Boston pick (top 10) if one of above is top 3 and not conveyed.}

For Whiteside and of course Babbitt. It is still 3 for 2, so, Miami can pick a second Babbitt.

[DayofMourning]

What happened to all the Heat fans at RealGM? I'm curious to hear what they think about Whiteside at the moment. He's been putting up amazing numbers this season, but I see his name come up semi regularly here and don't know why. It would seem they would be crazy to want to trade him, but I never hear from them so I'm never sure what the deal is.

They have their own board, the Miami Heat forum.

Or did you mean the Lebron James' fans? In that case, they're on RealCavsFans.

[BleedGreen1989]

My thought was:
Salary filler: Jerebko (I want a deal now but if not now then Zeller, sure), Amir
Assets: Brown, '17 pick (top 3 protected, if not becomes ?) '18 (top 3 protected, if not becomes ? *ALso, is unprotected if '17 pick is top 3). I feel like for the ? I will go Boston's 2020 top 10 protected.


So:
Brown
'17 Nets pick (unless top 3)
'18 Nets pick (unless top 3 and '17 wasn't top 3)
{'20 Boston pick (top 10) if one of above is top 3 and not conveyed.}

For Whiteside and of course Babbitt. It is still 3 for 2, so, Miami can pick a second Babbitt.

That feels rich to me. Boston puts basically every major egg in the Whiteside basket. I would not be comfortable with that.

[BullyKing]

I see Whitesides as a poor man's DeAndre Jordan. A good player for sure, but not worth a blue chip asset (Brown or either Bky pick) from the Cs.

I'm sorry but it is absolutely laughable if you don't think Whiteside is worth any of Brown or either Brooklyn pick.

I mean in a vacuum if you still believe the Nets picks are top 5 and you are one of those who believe we can define a draft this far in advance, I could listen to an argument of trying to grab a franchise perimeter player over Whiteside (or Jordan who was also named).

But for the Celtics specifically who go from 2nd round ceiling to fringe championship contender by adding Whiteside(or Jordan)? Yeah I disagree with not going for it.

But I also understand that maybe nobody on the Trade Board is as philosophically committed to going hard for championships rather than hording assets and hoping. I ripped Presti when the Thunder had a championship core but with clear holes and lots of assets and he chose to have his cake and eat it too and got one Finals trip and watched all those assets but Adams wither away to nothing.

If they let the cheap contracts of Bradley and Thomas expire before they have added that significant piece that makes them a legit contender in the name of holding on to assets I will consider it a huge disappointment. This is a very unique situation where you have 3 starters making essentially one starter's money with plenty of really cheap bench pieces. Strike.

I'd have trouble buying someone having that much confidence that they would land a franchise perimeter in the draft given how early it is in the college season, lack of certainty where pick will end up, and the fact that the draft is an inexact science in its own right.

But you make a far more interesting point that we would all be wise to remember more frequently: we losers that spend this much time on the T&T are much more likely to systematically overvalue draft picks and young players.

[HartfordWhalers]

My thought was:
Salary filler: Jerebko (I want a deal now but if not now then Zeller, sure), Amir
Assets: Brown, '17 pick (top 3 protected, if not becomes ?) '18 (top 3 protected, if not becomes ? *ALso, is unprotected if '17 pick is top 3). I feel like for the ? I will go Boston's 2020 top 10 protected.


So:
Brown
'17 Nets pick (unless top 3)
'18 Nets pick (unless top 3 and '17 wasn't top 3)
{'20 Boston pick (top 10) if one of above is top 3 and not conveyed.}

For Whiteside and of course Babbitt. It is still 3 for 2, so, Miami can pick a second Babbitt.

That feels rich to me. Boston puts basically every major egg in the Whiteside basket. I would not be comfortable with that.

Yeah, it is rich. But it keeps the upside of the '17 top 3 which is the sweetest area. And possibly the '18 top 3.

[DusterBuster]

What happened to all the Heat fans at RealGM? I'm curious to hear what they think about Whiteside at the moment. He's been putting up amazing numbers this season, but I see his name come up semi regularly here and don't know why. It would seem they would be crazy to want to trade him, but I never hear from them so I'm never sure what the deal is.

They have their own board, the Miami Heat forum.

Or did you mean the Lebron James' fans? In that case, they're on RealCavsFans.

Yeah, there used to be a lot on the Trade Board as well tho. Suppose those were the temp-Heat/LBJ fans.

[Texas Chuck]

My thought was:
Salary filler: Jerebko (I want a deal now but if not now then Zeller, sure), Amir
Assets: Brown, '17 pick (top 3 protected, if not becomes ?) '18 (top 3 protected, if not becomes ? *ALso, is unprotected if '17 pick is top 3). I feel like for the ? I will go Boston's 2020 top 10 protected.


So:
Brown
'17 Nets pick (unless top 3)
'18 Nets pick (unless top 3 and '17 wasn't top 3)
{'20 Boston pick (top 10) if one of above is top 3 and not conveyed.}

For Whiteside and of course Babbitt. It is still 3 for 2, so, Miami can pick a second Babbitt.

That feels rich to me. Boston puts basically every major egg in the Whiteside basket. I would not be comfortable with that.

Yeah, it is rich. But it keeps the upside of the '17 top 3 which is the sweetest area. And possibly the '18 top 3.

yeah with the top 3 protection its not too rich. Brown and the 4th pick in 2017 and 2018 would be a price I'd gladly pay as Boston. And in HW's deal I could get Whiteside and a top 3 pick in either year(or even both!).

I think that makes it less attractive to the Heat which is why I unprotected the 2017 pick and protected teh 2018 pick a bit lighter. And to ease the pain for the Celtics I got Winslow coming back.