Middleton's Current Trade Value

[bdpecore]

Based on how the Bucks performed after Khris returned I would assume his value might be peaking. What do you think is fair value in exchange for Middleton and where would you currently rank him in regards to starting SGs in the league?

[chellis]

What does Milwaukee want or need? That would help guide offers.

From Charlotte, I'd give you anyone and anything not named Kemba. If we were to open negotiations I believe most base offers would start around MKG and our 2017 1st.

[bdpecore]

What does Milwaukee want or need? That would help guide offers.

From Charlotte, I'd give you anyone and anything not named Kemba. If we were to open negotiations I believe most base offers would start around MKG and our 2017 1st.

I would guess they are looking for young players and/or picks which can be team controlled in 2019 and beyond when their window should be fully opened. Defense and shooting are keys since we are trying to surround Giannis and Parker.

[jbk1234]

What does Milwaukee want or need? That would help guide offers.

From Charlotte, I'd give you anyone and anything not named Kemba. If we were to open negotiations I believe most base offers would start around MKG and our 2017 1st.

I would guess they are looking for young players and/or picks which can be team controlled in 2019 and beyond when their window should be fully opened. Defense and shooting are keys since we are trying to surround Giannis and Parker.

This would be a pretty big mistake IMO. Raptors beat the Bucks by packing the paint and daring them to take jump shots. Your defense is already above-average. Unless you want to be the Grizzlies East, with a corresponding ceiling, I wouldn't trade Middleton.

[chellis]

What does Milwaukee want or need? That would help guide offers.

From Charlotte, I'd give you anyone and anything not named Kemba. If we were to open negotiations I believe most base offers would start around MKG and our 2017 1st.

I would guess they are looking for young players and/or picks which can be team controlled in 2019 and beyond when their window should be fully opened. Defense and shooting are keys since we are trying to surround Giannis and Parker.

Since that's the case Frank Kaminsky is the only other player the Hornets have that fits that criteria. I know most on the forum aren't open to moving him, but if the deal is built the right way you may be able to have s convincing argument.

[daoneandonly]

I wish Dallas had something to offer. Mine would be Wes Matthews/Seth Curry/Devin Harris/9th overall pick this year for Middleton and Delavadova

I'm sure it's too light, but my thinking was Seth would be the ideal PG next to Giannis, Wes can go home and be a solid vet for the young Bucks and a 3&D guy. Harris is also a Wisconsin native and solid vet, but can also be cut if needed as his contract is mostly unguarenteed. Lastly, they get the 9th overall pick in this year's draft. Losing Delladova's contract is addition by subtraction.

For Dallas, Midds would be a nice young piece with Barnes and Noel, and they'd just need to get a true PG to feed their players, maybe a Sergio Rodriguez or something.

if it's an insulting homer offer, my apologies.

[bdpecore]

What does Milwaukee want or need? That would help guide offers.

From Charlotte, I'd give you anyone and anything not named Kemba. If we were to open negotiations I believe most base offers would start around MKG and our 2017 1st.

I would guess they are looking for young players and/or picks which can be team controlled in 2019 and beyond when their window should be fully opened. Defense and shooting are keys since we are trying to surround Giannis and Parker.

This would be a pretty big mistake IMO. Raptors beat the Bucks by packing the paint and daring them to take jump shots. Your defense is already above-average. Unless you want to be the Grizzlies East, with a corresponding ceiling, I wouldn't trade Middleton.

I completely agree with you. We just have a couple Bucks' posters who think he is replaceable and doesn't warrant being part of our core group moving forward.

[bdpecore]

I wish Dallas had something to offer. Mine would be Wes Matthews/Seth Curry/Devin Harris/9th overall pick this year for Middleton and Delavadova

I'm sure it's too light, but my thinking was Seth would be the ideal PG next to Giannis, Wes can go home and be a solid vet for the young Bucks and a 3&D guy. Harris is also a Wisconsin native and solid vet, but can also be cut if needed as his contract is mostly unguarenteed. Lastly, they get the 9th overall pick in this year's draft. Losing Delladova's contract is addition by subtraction.

For Dallas, Midds would be a nice young piece with Barnes and Noel, and they'd just need to get a true PG to feed their players, maybe a Sergio Rodriguez or something.

if it's an insulting homer offer, my apologies.

I agree its a bit light but think its a good starting point to build off of.

[Soulyss]

To me he's in a strong second-tier of SG.. These are in no particular order.

Tier 1:
Thompson
Harden
Butler

Tier 2:
CJ McCollum
Derozen
Middleton
A. Wiggins
D. Booker (Iffy on this one)

Value is all about fit. He's probably the most well-rounded in Tier 2, not the scorer CJ or Derozen are, more consistent than Wiggins and Booker.

I would say he's probably worth multiple assets.. probably a Lottery pick + other pieces

[MotownMadness]

[Prez]

I don't see how his value is peaking. Yeah, the team performed better with him, but individually he was nowhere near his 100% self from last season. He was rusty early on, had a good March, but started wearing down a lot in late March onwards and was nowhere near his old self in the playoffs. Physically he was probably 60% this year.

I'm not totally opposed to trading Middleton, but I have to wait and see how he looks next year. The dude tore his hamstring literally off the bone and came back a month early, he looked visibly exhausted by the 20-25 minute mark of every game and his legs were shot by the end of the year. Give him a full offseason to get in top shape and then evaluate. If 2015-16 Middleton or better shows up next season, I'm not trading him.

[Bentley1225]

Minnesota for #6?

[riter]

I don't think Middleton is tier 2 at all.
this guy is Paul Pierce with better defense, better efficiency, and more versatility.
OK, Ok----and without the killer instinct.
I'm outraged at Buck fans wanting to trade him.
However, knick fans will be even more outraged at my offer.

yes, I would offer our pick, especially if it drops to eight or nine. He's going to be 26, but his defense and scoring from the perimeter is just what the knicks need. Not Malik Monk.

[bdpecore]

I don't see how his value is peaking. Yeah, the team performed better with him, but from an individual standpoint he was nowhere near his 100% self from last season. He was rusty early on, had a pretty damn good in March, but started wearing down in late March onwards and was nowhere near his old self in the playoffs outside of like one game.

I'm not totally opposed to trading Middleton, but I have to wait and see how he looks next year. The dude tore his hamstring off the bone and came back a month early, he looked visibly exhausted by the 20-25 minute mark of every game and his legs were shot by the end of the year. If 2015-16 Middleton shows up next season, I'm not trading him.

I think his play down the stretch can be explained by him likely hitting a wall conditioning wise since he looked to be carrying a bit more weight after returning. In games 5 and 6 of the playoffs he was sick with the flu so its hard to fault him for his poor play in both games. Any GM can see he is the same player he was prior to the hamstring injury and a full offseason will get him back to his pre-injury form

[skones]

I just don't like this thread at all. It might as well be titled, "Make a lowball offer for Khris Middleton."

[Prez]

I don't see how his value is peaking. Yeah, the team performed better with him, but from an individual standpoint he was nowhere near his 100% self from last season. He was rusty early on, had a pretty damn good in March, but started wearing down in late March onwards and was nowhere near his old self in the playoffs outside of like one game.

I'm not totally opposed to trading Middleton, but I have to wait and see how he looks next year. The dude tore his hamstring off the bone and came back a month early, he looked visibly exhausted by the 20-25 minute mark of every game and his legs were shot by the end of the year. If 2015-16 Middleton shows up next season, I'm not trading him.

I think his play down the stretch can be explained by him likely hitting a wall conditioning wise since he looked to be carrying a bit more weight after returning. In games 5 and 6 of the playoffs he was sick with the flu so its hard to fault him for his poor play in both games. Any GM can see he is the same player he was prior to the hamstring injury and a full offseason will get him back to his pre-injury form

We're talking about his value peaking though. I definitely think he'll be awesome next year, but even if GMs also think that, his value still won't be peaking. Your current level of play matters, even if it's clear he'll return to form, his trade value at the moment is going to be a bit lower. It might only be a little bit lower but it definitely won't be the same or peaking. If he comes back next year looking like the last 60-65 games of his 2015-16 year averaging 20/5/5 with huge impact, that's when his value is going to be peaking.

[bdpecore]

I don't see how his value is peaking. Yeah, the team performed better with him, but from an individual standpoint he was nowhere near his 100% self from last season. He was rusty early on, had a pretty damn good in March, but started wearing down in late March onwards and was nowhere near his old self in the playoffs outside of like one game.

I'm not totally opposed to trading Middleton, but I have to wait and see how he looks next year. The dude tore his hamstring off the bone and came back a month early, he looked visibly exhausted by the 20-25 minute mark of every game and his legs were shot by the end of the year. If 2015-16 Middleton shows up next season, I'm not trading him.

I think his play down the stretch can be explained by him likely hitting a wall conditioning wise since he looked to be carrying a bit more weight after returning. In games 5 and 6 of the playoffs he was sick with the flu so its hard to fault him for his poor play in both games. Any GM can see he is the same player he was prior to the hamstring injury and a full offseason will get him back to his pre-injury form

We're talking about his value peaking though. I definitely think he'll be awesome next year, but even if GMs also think that, his value still won't be peaking. Your current level of play matters, even if it's clear he'll return to form, his trade value at the moment is going to be a bit lower. It might only be a little bit lower but it definitely won't be the same or peaking. If he comes back next year looking like the last 60-65 games of his 2015-16 year averaging 20/5/5 with huge impact, that's when his value is going to be peaking.

So his play in March will not have any barring on how other GMs value him going forward? I think it will have a significantly larger impact than his 6 game post season performance will.

[Prez]

I think his play down the stretch can be explained by him likely hitting a wall conditioning wise since he looked to be carrying a bit more weight after returning. In games 5 and 6 of the playoffs he was sick with the flu so its hard to fault him for his poor play in both games. Any GM can see he is the same player he was prior to the hamstring injury and a full offseason will get him back to his pre-injury form

We're talking about his value peaking though. I definitely think he'll be awesome next year, but even if GMs also think that, his value still won't be peaking. Your current level of play matters, even if it's clear he'll return to form, his trade value at the moment is going to be a bit lower. It might only be a little bit lower but it definitely won't be the same or peaking. If he comes back next year looking like the last 60-65 games of his 2015-16 year averaging 20/5/5 with huge impact, that's when his value is going to be peaking.

So his play in March will not have any barring on how other GMs value him going forward? I think it will have a significantly larger impact than his 6 game post season performance will.

I'm not saying his value is destroyed or anything. Just that there's no way you can say his value is "peaking" coming off a really serious injury where he was good for 1 month.

[Streakers33]

Minnesota for #6?

I'll repost it. Cuz it needs to be addressed as to what bucks looking for. And minny wouldn't complain about these talks..


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[bdpecore]

Minnesota for #6?

I'll repost it. Cuz it needs to be addressed as to what bucks looking for. And minny wouldn't complain about these talks..


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I think this offer would have to be strongly considered from the Bucks perspective, especially if they think there is a PG available at 6 who can be a difference maker going forward. This allows them to move Brogdon to SG and keep Snell as their primary back up wing.