SUNS offseason-CARMELO-LAK-POR

Chino Athens · Post #1 » by **Chino Athens** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:32 am

Phoenix suns roster is pretty young and not so decent.In my eyes they need to step up their level and try to be the best borderline playoff team they can be,something like last years Nuggets or Blazers.
Their current roster is :
PG Bledsoe,Ullis,Knight
SG Booker,Milsap
SF Warren,Dudley,Derrick Jones
PF Bender
C Chriss,Chandler,Williams

So,my suggestions are :
>Let Len go.
>Keep Barbosa.
>Send out assets for picks.Get some mediocre contracts back,but no awful ones.LOL.
>Go for Carmelo Anthony.
>Pick Jackson or Tatum or Isaac.
>Sign in FA Brooks and Tolliver for benchwarmers.

PHO IN Carmelo,Deng,Ennis
PHO OUT Dudley,Ullis,Knight,Bender,Warren

NY IN Knight,Warren,Black,picks #20 #26 #28.If necessary,add a PHO future top-20 protected.
NY OUT Carmelo

LAK IN Dudley,Leonard
LAK OUT Black,Deng, #28

POR IN Bender,Ullis
POR OUT Leonard, #20, #26

Why?
NY gets out of Melo with 3 first round picks and Warren and Black.Knight is great for a tanking team and
tank they shall.KP will grow within a few years and they ll be able to release and stretch Knight and Noah.Phil
can do his thing.
Portland saves money right now and probably bets on a European's big duo (Bender-Nurkic) and sees how
that goes.Ullis could be great for them.
Lakers get out of Deng's contract for Dudley's more tradable contract and Leonard is a better option than
holding on to Deng's contract.Next year,this move could be huge for them salarywise.I have a feeling Leonard
will find his role with Walton.
Each team sacrifices something and gets better at something else.My sense is that they all benefit in this
scenario.

Phoenix goes with Bledsoe(34)/Brooks(7)/Ennis(7)
Booker(35)/Barbosa(9)/Milsap (4)
Tatum (30)/Deng(16)/Derrick Jones (7)
Melo (32) /Tolliver (7)
Chriss(27)/Chandler(17)/Williams (9)

They can play together for a couple of years,develop their youth and become a semidecent borderline playoff team.Chandler,Melo,Bledsoe,Booker expire at the same time.

Prokorov · Post #2 » by **Prokorov** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:37 am

portland is not trading 2 first rounders just to dump leonard due only 3/30

NoZoLakers · Post #3 » by **NoZoLakers** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:48 am

La also passes....theyre taking in more annual salary, the exact opposite of what they want...i don't get op rational that next yr could be big $ for la after this trade...how, you just reduce la cap even more to sign guys like pg

m1chal · Post #4 » by **m1chal** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:50 am

This trade is so bad for the Suns I don't even know where to start. A 2016 #4 pick and two promising players for a privilege of having a washed up Melo and a terrible contract of Deng on the team? Is this a joke?

Spens1 · Post #5 » by **Spens1** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:58 am

Meyers Leonard is just as bad as Mozgov. This is a sideways move at best.

I really like Dudley but Black + 28 for a guy who ideally you bring in if you're competing, i think i'll pass and keep the young center and 28th pick

Myth · Post #6 » by **Myth** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:00 am

Prokorov wrote:portland is not trading 2 first rounders just to dump leonard due only 3/30

I don't hate it for Portland because of the combo of salary savings and potential coming back to Portland that kind of replace the lost picks, and I think I would accept. Just one year ago Bender was the #4 pick. Yes, his on court production had bust written all over him, but he was a 19 yo, 7'1" power forward. His future doesn't look as bright anymore, but he still on potential (especially on D) is probably still worthy of a late 1st round pick if drafted this year. It likely becomes him and Noah Vonleh battling for underwelming PF with potential. Bender only has 1 year guaranteed, so if he continues to look like a bust, we just don't pick up the options on him, which he has 2 team option years, which is pretty awesome IMO. Ulis by contrast had less expectations (went early 2nd round) but actually produced. I'd take him as the packup PG and ship out Napier in a separate deal. I think his rookie year is comparable to any of Napier's first 3 years, and he is on contract for an average of only $1.5M per season through 2019-20, while Napier will look for a pay raise in 1 year and is already at $2.3M.

HotelVitale · Post #7 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:04 am

Spens1 wrote:Meyers Leonard is just as bad as Mozgov. This is a sideways move at best.

Except he's due more than 50% more money than Leonard over the next 3 years. Also has a bit less hope to return to his former self (Leonard's only 25 and was sort of useful year before last).

Myth · Post #8 » by **Myth** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:09 am

Spens1 wrote:Meyers Leonard is just as bad as Mozgov. This is a sideways move at best.

I really like Dudley but Black + 28 for a guy who ideally you bring in if you're competing, i think i'll pass and keep the young center and 28th pick

I agree this trade is bad for LA. At the very least, I think they don't have to give up the #28 in this trade.

As a side note, Leonard is worse than Mozgov, but his contract is definitely better.

Spens1 · Post #9 » by **Spens1** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:10 am

HotelVitale wrote:
Spens1 wrote:Meyers Leonard is just as bad as Mozgov. This is a sideways move at best.

Except he's due more than 50% more money than Leonard over the next 3 years. Also has a bit less hope to return to his former self (Leonard's only 25 and was sort of useful year before last).

Yeah but i have very little hope that Leonard does anything. Also if he's complaining about Portland, he'd break down completely in L.A with the amount of complaints, you can see its taken a lot out of Mozgov as it is.

HotelVitale · Post #10 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:46 am

Spens1 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
Spens1 wrote:Meyers Leonard is just as bad as Mozgov. This is a sideways move at best.
Except he's due more than 50% more money than Leonard over the next 3 years. Also has a bit less hope to return to his former self (Leonard's only 25 and was sort of useful year before last).
Yeah but i have very little hope that Leonard does anything. Also if he's complaining about Portland, he'd break down completely in L.A with the amount of complaints, you can see its taken a lot out of Mozgov as it is.

Sure, I wouldn't count on him being any good for the next 3 years. But he makes a whole lot less than Mozgov so that's that. Nowhere close to as bad of a contract.

Soulyss · Post #11 » by **Soulyss** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:46 am

Bender didnt have a great season, but there is talent there. Its not terrible for Portland, getting Bender also frees the Blazers up at 15 to go any way they want and dont have to worry about a big. If OG was there at 15, i would pull the trigger.

Myth · Post #12 » by **Myth** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:51 am

Spens1 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
Spens1 wrote:Meyers Leonard is just as bad as Mozgov. This is a sideways move at best.

Except he's due more than 50% more money than Leonard over the next 3 years. Also has a bit less hope to return to his former self (Leonard's only 25 and was sort of useful year before last).

Yeah but i have very little hope that Leonard does anything. Also if he's complaining about Portland, he'd break down completely in L.A with the amount of complaints, you can see its taken a lot out of Mozgov as it is.

Leonard hasn't complained to my knowledge. Fans complain about him.

jayjaysee · Post #13 » by **jayjaysee** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:04 am

If I'm Phoenix (or Orlando.. or Dallas if we could).. I'm looking at the fact that two of the 4-5 least talented teams in the league have no incentive to tank next year and I'm trading Bledsoe and doing just that. Get a nice center to play with Booker and Tatum/DSj and probably Collins in a Bledsoe deal? And if I was a Phoenix fan I'd be more excited about tanking a year than seeing what Melo and Bledsoe can do against GS in the first round.

For the oP.. I can't figure out how Portland gets what they get in this deal. I feel like it would be a really (really) good trade for them, without Leonard. IMO they have no business in this as it just helps LAL break Deng in half.. When Deng isn't needed. Keep Dudley, send NY 32 and a future 2nd.

starbosa10 · Post #14 » by **starbosa10** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:33 am

literally no reason for Phoenix to mortgage the future to lose to the warriors or spurs in the first round

Chino Athens · Post #15 » by **Chino Athens** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:38 am

BallnIngram wrote:La also passes....theyre taking in more annual salary, the exact opposite of what they want...i don't get op rational that next yr could be big $ for la after this trade...how, you just reduce la cap even more to sign guys like pg

Well,the sense is that you get out of Deng's terrible terrible contract,you get Dudley as a mentor for Ingram and then you can trade him.
The other assets you lose (Black and #28) are minor.Leonard can be traded too more easily next year.So,this move helps you get ready for next season,when you can trade them again.A much easier task than having to eat Deng's contract if you ask me.
And by the way,you become a better team with this trade.

hcsilla · Post #16 » by **hcsilla** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:45 am

Prokorov wrote:portland is not trading 2 first rounders just to dump leonard due only 3/30

The exact opposite.

I don't think that you can dump Leonard for #20 and 26 AND get Ulis. Adding Bender to this deal is pure science fiction.

Trading for Carmelo Anthony is out of question for the Suns, unless Billy King takes them over.

Chino Athens · Post #17 » by **Chino Athens** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:48 am

m1chal wrote:This trade is so bad for the Suns I don't even know where to start. A 2016 #4 pick and two promising players for a privilege of having a washed up Melo and a terrible contract of Deng on the team? Is this a joke?

Lol dude,yes.
You can get more tickets,better branding,have a better team and admit to your self that Bender and Len (pick 5) are not part of your future.Neither is Warren.If youre a man of high picks,get Bennet and Derrick Williams to your club,they should be free agents.
Booker,this year's pick and maybe Chriss are your future leaders.Right now,they don't have to suck for 3 more years,they can try to compete for a playoff spot and eat up all the experience for a better tomorrow.Carmelo could score in bunches,bounce back a bit and be traded next year to another team.I know Deng is kinda the worst contract in the league,but you already got Knight,Chandler and Bledsoe tied up,so turning Knight + Bender + Warren to Melo + Deng doesn't look so bad to me in the end.

Damkac · Post #18 » by **Damkac** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:52 am

Why you hate the Suns so much?

Chino Athens · Post #19 » by **Chino Athens** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:05 am

jayjaysee wrote:For the oP.. I can't figure out how Portland gets what they get in this deal. I feel like it would be a really (really) good trade for them, without Leonard. IMO they have no business in this as it just helps LAL break Deng in half.. When Deng isn't needed. Keep Dudley, send NY 32 and a future 2nd.

Sorry,i cant understand exactly what youre saying.Portland gets out of Leonard's contract,but has to give two late first picks.Salary cap reasons I guess.They can pick with 15 whoever they really need.Bender is an interesting payback for Leonard and the picks get you Ullis and balance even more the deal. They get rid out of Leonard and help the Lakers out of Deng,but the Lakers still got money to pay and trades to do to make this "ground zero".Portland is at "ground zero" already.
The rest I dont get. "When Deng isn't needed. Keep Dudley, send NY 32 and a future 2nd."

Chino Athens · Post #20 » by **Chino Athens** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:24 am

Soulyss wrote:Bender didnt have a great season, but there is talent there. Its not terrible for Portland, getting Bender also frees the Blazers up at 15 to go any way they want and dont have to worry about a big. If OG was there at 15, i would pull the trigger.

My kinda thinking too.Ullis is a great bench boost too.