MIA with PHO/SAC/BRK (one of them) McRoberts dump for a 2nd, a swap, and cash. Viable?

[gom]

Any team with cap space can be targeted. I know that PHO/BRK/SAC might be good choices.

PHO/BRK/SAC in/MIA out: Josh McRoberts, 2022 2nd, $4.8M cash considerations (the max), and a 1st round pick swap in 2019 or 2020 (depending on whether our first round pick goes to PHO next season.)

PHO/BRK/SAC out/MIA in: 2022 PHO (56-60)


Why for MIA: Opens cap space for signing free agents like Dion/James Johnson/Gordon Hayward/Serge Ibaka
Why for partner team: Essentially Heat are giving a 1st round pick swap in a year after we deliver a first round pick (so it's dodgy) as well as a future 2nd for $1.3M (difference between McRoberts salary and the cash). McRoberts can be waived or kept. It's his last season.

[Prokorov]

im confused by all the slashes. is this a straight salary dump?

if so then yes im absolutely taking on mcroberts for future picks for the nets

[gom]

im confused by all the slashes. is this a straight salary dump?

Yes. The slashes just mean that any of those teams are potential partners.

I'm asking to dump McRoberts's salary is a 2022 2nd, a 1st-round pick swap in 2019, and $4.7M of Mickey Arison's money.

[bwgood77]

I don't think it holds much value for Phx as a pick swap is likely worthless and no fan cares about cash and a 2nd rounder does nothing.

[loserX]

Unlikely that Phoenix will do anything that might help Miami get better for fear of devaluing the picks you already owe them.

I don't know where Brooklyn thinks their pick is going to be in two years, so the swap might not have any value to them. Sacramento seems like the best choice of these, with the Nets remaining a possibility.

[Prokorov]

im confused by all the slashes. is this a straight salary dump?

Yes. The slashes just mean that any of those teams are potential partners.

I'm asking to dump McRoberts's salary is a 2022 2nd, a 1st-round pick swap in 2019, and $4.7M of Mickey Arison's money.

id need more on the first rounder... since the nets are a lock to be worse then the heat and that pick swap wont happen.

id need to get a first at some point whether its a swap or a pick outright. i woudlnt do it for seconds and a swap unlikely to convey

[DarkXaero]

A 1st round swap has no value to a team like Brooklyn (and probably Phoenix or Sacramento too) because Miami's record is bound to be better than all 3 teams. That essentially makes this a salary dump for a 2022 2nd round pick (why 2022?), and that's simply not appealing. Granted that McRoberts is not even a bad contract, with only 1 year left and a small salary but that 1st round pick swap is meaningless.

[gom]

A 1st round swap has no value to a team like Brooklyn (and probably Phoenix or Sacramento too) because Miami's record is bound to be better than all 3 teams. That essentially makes this a salary dump for a 2022 2nd round pick (why 2022?), and that's simply not appealing. Granted that McRoberts is not even a bad contract, with only 1 year left and a small salary but that 1st round pick swap is meaningless.

2022 is actually the earliest 2nd round pick Miami still owns.

[gom]

I really screwed up the poll. I should have had a way of saying which teams won't do it too. Sorry, folks. Anyway, the comments here are helping ground my thoughts. My impression is that the Suns and the Kings are both ascendant teams which may be able to make the playoffs in 2018-19, but that is possibly misguided (?) The Nets definitely have a tougher road. I'm cheering that they improve enough next season not to hand another great pick away. Let's hope so!

[Texas Chuck]

I wanted to do this with the Bogut TPE like a week ago. Add in an unlikely pick swap as you did and I'm even more in.

[NashtyNas]

PHX definitely not interested in helping Miami get better in any way, so we're out. We'll pay SAC and BKN each a late 2nd earlier than 2022 to not take on McBob either

[HartfordWhalers]

4.8m cash and a 2nd looks fine for McRoberts, the swap is overkill.

[They_Them_Hatin]

If Charlotte had cap space I know MJ would force Cho to do this deal. I would love this deal. I really like Dunleavy though. The swap is unnecessary.

[sacking123]

im confused by all the slashes. is this a straight salary dump?

Yes. The slashes just mean that any of those teams are potential partners.

I'm asking to dump McRoberts's salary is a 2022 2nd, a 1st-round pick swap in 2019, and $4.7M of Mickey Arison's money.

id need more on the first rounder... since the nets are a lock to be worse then the heat and that pick swap wont happen.

id need to get a first at some point whether its a swap or a pick outright. i woudlnt do it for seconds and a swap unlikely to convey

Spot on. I think all three of these teams would view it similar. Phoenix as mentioned though wouldn't want to help Miami out at all.
Sacramento would need that 1st round pick.

[gom]

Yes. The slashes just mean that any of those teams are potential partners.

I'm asking to dump McRoberts's salary is a 2022 2nd, a 1st-round pick swap in 2019, and $4.7M of Mickey Arison's money.

id need more on the first rounder... since the nets are a lock to be worse then the heat and that pick swap wont happen.

id need to get a first at some point whether its a swap or a pick outright. i woudlnt do it for seconds and a swap unlikely to convey

Spot on. I think all three of these teams would view it similar. Phoenix as mentioned though wouldn't want to help Miami out at all.
Sacramento would need that 1st round pick.

Well I posted this to get opinions. So do you believe a Heat first-round pick is worth only $1.4M? That's an interesting perspective. How much are Sacramento's picks worth? The Heat were a lottery team last season (two times in the last three years.)

[SportsFan215]

I would take that for the Clippers' TPE and make it a 2020 First swap if their 2019 First goes to Boston.

[sacking123]

id need more on the first rounder... since the nets are a lock to be worse then the heat and that pick swap wont happen.

id need to get a first at some point whether its a swap or a pick outright. i woudlnt do it for seconds and a swap unlikely to convey

Spot on. I think all three of these teams would view it similar. Phoenix as mentioned though wouldn't want to help Miami out at all.
Sacramento would need that 1st round pick.

Well I posted this to get opinions. So do you believe a Heat first-round pick is worth only $1.4M? That's an interesting perspective. How much are Sacramento's picks worth? The Heat were a lottery team last season (two times in the last three years.)

To Sacramento it would be about what we can do later on and whether or not that money effects our ability to do those things.
Now you can argue it wouldn't hurt the Kings' situation (cap wise), or could actually improve it with an expiring at the deadline to be flipped for more assets.
That is true, however if they are setting up to take on salary then they need picks, not 2nd rounders. The money looks great to an owner for sure, but to us fans it really doesn't do much.
Sacramento doesn't own a 2019 1st so it would have to be the 2020 1st, which with Whiteside, Dragic and Johnson having player options who knows what the Heat could be like.
Overall I think it's a decent idea, however as I said, the Kings would want a 1st, keep your cash and the 2nd rounder, deal the 2020 1st protected and McRoberts. I don't think Miami would like that, but that is where these teams with cap space are heading.

[gom]

Spot on. I think all three of these teams would view it similar. Phoenix as mentioned though wouldn't want to help Miami out at all.
Sacramento would need that 1st round pick.

Well I posted this to get opinions. So do you believe a Heat first-round pick is worth only $1.4M? That's an interesting perspective. How much are Sacramento's picks worth? The Heat were a lottery team last season (two times in the last three years.)

To Sacramento it would be about what we can do later on and whether or not that money effects our ability to do those things.
Now you can argue it wouldn't hurt the Kings' situation (cap wise), or could actually improve it with an expiring at the deadline to be flipped for more assets.
That is true, however if they are setting up to take on salary then they need picks, not 2nd rounders. The money looks great to an owner for sure, but to us fans it really doesn't do much.
Sacramento doesn't own a 2019 1st so it would have to be the 2020 1st, which with Whiteside, Dragic and Johnson having player options who knows what the Heat could be like.
Overall I think it's a decent idea, however as I said, the Kings would want a 1st, keep your cash and the 2nd rounder, deal the 2020 1st protected and McRoberts. I don't think Miami would like that, but that is where these teams with cap space are heading.

Miami cannot send any first round picks until next decade some time. There are other teams that won't need a first. It's ok that we're not good trading partners.

GMs do care about the money. Maybe not rich teams like Golden State or Cleveland, but I can see it mattering to smaller teams.

[sacking123]

Well I posted this to get opinions. So do you believe a Heat first-round pick is worth only $1.4M? That's an interesting perspective. How much are Sacramento's picks worth? The Heat were a lottery team last season (two times in the last three years.)

To Sacramento it would be about what we can do later on and whether or not that money effects our ability to do those things.
Now you can argue it wouldn't hurt the Kings' situation (cap wise), or could actually improve it with an expiring at the deadline to be flipped for more assets.
That is true, however if they are setting up to take on salary then they need picks, not 2nd rounders. The money looks great to an owner for sure, but to us fans it really doesn't do much.
Sacramento doesn't own a 2019 1st so it would have to be the 2020 1st, which with Whiteside, Dragic and Johnson having player options who knows what the Heat could be like.
Overall I think it's a decent idea, however as I said, the Kings would want a 1st, keep your cash and the 2nd rounder, deal the 2020 1st protected and McRoberts. I don't think Miami would like that, but that is where these teams with cap space are heading.

Miami cannot send any first round picks until next decade some time. There are other teams that won't need a first. It's ok that we're not good trading partners.

GMs do care about the money. Maybe not rich teams like Golden State or Cleveland, but I can see it mattering to smaller teams.

Yeah that's true so your version is the only way this works for Miami too.


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[benchmobbin02]

id need more on the first rounder... since the nets are a lock to be worse then the heat and that pick swap wont happen.

id need to get a first at some point whether its a swap or a pick outright. i woudlnt do it for seconds and a swap unlikely to convey

Spot on. I think all three of these teams would view it similar. Phoenix as mentioned though wouldn't want to help Miami out at all.
Sacramento would need that 1st round pick.

Well I posted this to get opinions. So do you believe a Heat first-round pick is worth only $1.4M? That's an interesting perspective. How much are Sacramento's picks worth? The Heat were a lottery team last season (two times in the last three years.)

yeah I don't know if these people are confused but McRoberts salary is only 6mil next yr. Plus we would get 4.8 in cash and the pick swap and the 2nd. I think that is a no brainer really. Would be done toward the end of FA to ensure we don't need the money for max offer or 2 but the value seems fine if not lopsided in Sac favor.