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[jayjaysee]

76ers Draft Assets (in):
2024 18th’ish (available on draft day)
2026 Least favorable of OKC, Rockets, Clippers or Own
2028 Clippers (unprotected) or Own (unprotected)
2029 Clippers Swap (1-3)
2029 Own 1st (with 2 years after Nets owed lang)
2030 Own Swap (but with what-if lang)
2031 Own 1st (with 2 years after 2029 owed lang and after 2024 draft day)

Owed:
2025 Owed OKC (1-6)
2027 Owed Nets (1-8)

Philly doesn’t owe a 2026 first. So shouldn’t they have their own 2026 and the least valuable 2026 first? I know that’s minor since the pick from OKC is the worst from 3 teams.. but it’s still an extra first..

Technically the 2025 first is protected and rolls over to 2026, but when Philly trades the 2026 first they could make it..

Better of …” the worst pick between OKC/Houston/LAC .. or the Philly 2026 first” (if 2025 first is conveyed to OKC)

Which feels a decent amount more valuable than the 2026 first from OKC..

2026 I have “or own” on the list. It can’t be traded until 2025 is conveyed (or not) to OKC. So that is why the 2026 owed 1st is more often involved in trade.

Just probably would be worded to give the team receiving the first the right to swap with the Philly 2026 first was my only point. It wouldn’t be the worst of. It would be the best of. Because if Philly is trading 5 firsts this offseason - they likely aren’t afraid of giving up their 2026 first.

[BK_2020]

Trade Embiid. Should have made a deal at the trade deadline. Embiid turns 30 next month so time is running out.

Embiid for Jaylen Brown plus 2 picks 2 swaps. Retool and build around Maxey and Brown.

[Wolveswin]

Philly doesn’t owe a 2026 first. So shouldn’t they have their own 2026 and the least valuable 2026 first? I know that’s minor since the pick from OKC is the worst from 3 teams.. but it’s still an extra first..

Technically the 2025 first is protected and rolls over to 2026, but when Philly trades the 2026 first they could make it..

Better of …” the worst pick between OKC/Houston/LAC .. or the Philly 2026 first” (if 2025 first is conveyed to OKC)

Which feels a decent amount more valuable than the 2026 first from OKC..

2026 I have “or own” on the list. It can’t be traded until 2025 is conveyed (or not) to OKC. So that is why the 2026 owed 1st is more often involved in trade.

Just probably would be worded to give the team receiving the first the right to swap with the Philly 2026 first was my only point. It wouldn’t be the worst of. It would be the best of. Because if Philly is trading 5 firsts this offseason - they likely aren’t afraid of giving up their 2026 first.

I think what Philly is up against, is none of the 1sts they have are that great and when compared to other teams with a war chest - seem even worse.

2024 is already meh.
2025 NONE
2026 worst of and all that language you speak of
2027 NONE
2028 Finally some meat with Clippers or own with what if language.
2029 is decent, own with what if language but with a Clippers swap too.

[jayjaysee]

2026 I have “or own” on the list. It can’t be traded until 2025 is conveyed (or not) to OKC. So that is why the 2026 owed 1st is more often involved in trade.

Just probably would be worded to give the team receiving the first the right to swap with the Philly 2026 first was my only point. It wouldn’t be the worst of. It would be the best of. Because if Philly is trading 5 firsts this offseason - they likely aren’t afraid of giving up their 2026 first.

I think what Philly is up against, is none of the 1sts they have are that great and when compared to other teams with a war chest - seem even worse.

2024 is already meh.
2025 NONE
2026 worst of and all that language you speak of
2027 NONE
2028 Finally some meat with Clippers or own with what if language.
2029 is decent, own with what if language but with a Clippers swap too.

Yeah, maybe I missed it. They don’t have a warchest.

But they have enough that if a star was available, we’d think the other team did well for their star. I feel like the opinion/valuation of the 2028 swap and 2029 first will/would be hyped up to extremes..

[HartfordWhalers]

2026 I have “or own” on the list. It can’t be traded until 2025 is conveyed (or not) to OKC. So that is why the 2026 owed 1st is more often involved in trade.

Just probably would be worded to give the team receiving the first the right to swap with the Philly 2026 first was my only point. It wouldn’t be the worst of. It would be the best of. Because if Philly is trading 5 firsts this offseason - they likely aren’t afraid of giving up their 2026 first.

I think what Philly is up against, is none of the 1sts they have are that great and when compared to other teams with a war chest - seem even worse.

2024 is already meh.
2025 NONE
2026 worst of and all that language you speak of
2027 NONE
2028 Finally some meat with Clippers or own with what if language.
2029 is decent, own with what if language but with a Clippers swap too.

So to review:
2024 pick around 20.
2026 pick, best of worst of or Philly so maybe assume Philly is great and 25?
2028 best of unprotected Philly or Lac
2029 unprotected best of
2031 unprotected (dealt July 1st)

That is 5 picks and 3 unprotected with 2 of best of two teams and yes, 2 picks assumed late.

I have that for a lot more value than Siakam or OG got.
I have that as more value than Murray got.

It looks to me pretty similar to what Minnesota ‘overpaid’ for Gobert. The extra team on the u protected picks is nice and both the Clippers and Sixers could come crashing down at some point. Heck there was a Minnesota fan explaining Philly needed to rebuild and tank last year…

Sure OKC or a few teams with tons of excess picks can beat it, but I have it as well above average and beating out what say the Nets or Knicks or Celtics or Milwaukee or etc have

[Wolveswin]

Just probably would be worded to give the team receiving the first the right to swap with the Philly 2026 first was my only point. It wouldn’t be the worst of. It would be the best of. Because if Philly is trading 5 firsts this offseason - they likely aren’t afraid of giving up their 2026 first.

I think what Philly is up against, is none of the 1sts they have are that great and when compared to other teams with a war chest - seem even worse.

2024 is already meh.
2025 NONE
2026 worst of and all that language you speak of
2027 NONE
2028 Finally some meat with Clippers or own with what if language.
2029 is decent, own with what if language but with a Clippers swap too.

So to review:
2024 pick around 20.
2026 pick, best of worst of or Philly so maybe assume Philly is great and 25?
2028 best of unprotected Philly or Lac
2029 unprotected best of
2031 unprotected (dealt July 1st)

That is 5 picks and 3 unprotected with 2 of best of two teams and yes, 2 picks assumed late.

I have that for a lot more value than Siakam or OG got.
I have that as more value than Murray got.

It looks to me pretty similar to what Minnesota ‘overpaid’ for Gobert. The extra team on the u protected picks is nice and both the Clippers and Sixers could come crashing down at some point. Heck there was a Minnesota fan explaining Philly needed to rebuild and tank last year…

Sure OKC or a few teams with tons of excess picks can beat it, but I have it as well above average and beating out what say the Nets or Knicks or Celtics or Milwaukee or etc have

Difference is 76ers only have ONE 1st truly unprotected - no what if language. That is 2028 Clippers 1st. Every other 1st comes with something tied to it. So, they have ok quantity, lack of multiple unprotected is lacking quality. They should be able to make a strong bid, and just hope other teams with better capital aren’t bidding too. OKC, Nets, Spurs, Rockets, Knicks, Raps, Pels to name few off top of my head.

[Wolveswin]

So for a all-in summary:

2024 18th (rights to already drafted if you want 2031 too)
2026 Worst of OKC, Rockets, Clippers WITH 76ers Swap
2028 Clippers 1st (unprotected) with 76ers swap (but with language swap can’t happen due to 27 possibly not conveying)
2029 76ers 1st (unprotected but with language 2 years after 2027 convey)
2030 76ers Swap (but with language swap might not happen due to 29 not convey)
2031 76ers 1st (unprotected but with double language about not happening if 29 not convey and only one shot to happen - no carryover to 32…and only a available for trade after 24 draft)

I think Morey could get OKC and Nets to agree to unprotect currently owed 1sts to them and cleans it up a little. Make that 29 and 31 truly unprotected. Same with 28 and 30 swaps.

[jayjaysee]

So for a all-in summary:

2024 18th (rights to already drafted if you want 2031 too)
2026 Worst of OKC, Rockets, Clippers WITH 76ers Swap
2028 Clippers 1st (unprotected) with 76ers swap (but with language swap can’t happen due to 27 possibly not conveying)
2029 76ers 1st (unprotected but with language 2 years after 2027 convey)
2030 76ers Swap (but with language swap might not happen due to 29 not convey)
2031 76ers 1st (unprotected but with double language about not happening if 29 not convey and only one shot to happen - no carryover to 32…and only a available for trade after 24 draft)

I think Morey could get OKC and Nets to agree to unprotect currently owed 1sts to them and cleans it up a little. Make that 29 and 31 truly unprotected. Same with 28 and 30 swaps.

You could add more complex language if you really wanted to.

If the 2027 first doesn’t convey to Brooklyn, you could turn tbe 2029 first into a swap. That way the 2031 first has no stipulation and is just a guaranteed unprotected first.

And then the worst case the team receiving the picks would be guaranteed…

2026 first (probably really late but Joel supposedly is declining already..)
2028 LAC first with swap option (potentially swapping into the top 8 if the Philly first doesn’t convey in 2027 or 2028)
2029 swap
2030 swap
2031 unprotected

So if Philly is terrible in 2027, the team they traded with at least ends up with 3 true future firsts and 2 swaps.

And really the 2028 first should be worded more like…

“Utah receives the four most valuable of LAC, Cleveland, Minnesota, Utah and Philly (if not conveyed to Brooklyn) , Philly receives the least valuable”

Where the team gets a first and a swap in 2028.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I think if they trade Paul Reed+literally every available pick, they could probably get Markkanen and then have enough cap space to sign Paul George (as he won't get a 35% max this year I think).

This gets you into really bad cap hell almost instantly as your core 4 guys alone (plus 8 minimums) exceed the second apron by a good bit.

[Wolveswin]

White boarding this one…

Could 76ers sign a max FA (not PG for this example).

Then trade leftover cap space plus all draft capital for a star whose salary fits in leftover cap? Markkanen might be example.

Then S&T Harris for PG? Assuming Clippers wanted to get something for nothing - because PG was going to bolt to a cap team anyway.

In summary get:
1x max free agent
1x all-in traded for star using picks
1x S&T star using Harris

[PistolPeteJR]

Ingram. Problem is I don't think NO is interested in picks.

[HartfordWhalers]

Difference is 76ers only have ONE 1st truly unprotected - no what if language.

This doesn't seem true to me at all. Even if you have the Sixers as somehow a bottom 8 team, they absolutely still have the ability to trade multiple unprotected 1sts.
And they also could include swaps if they keep their pick in '27 and '28 so that a team would get a swap in the bottom 8, in your worst case scenario.

[Godaddycurse]

White boarding this one…

Could 76ers sign a max FA (not PG for this example).

Then trade leftover cap space plus all draft capital for a star whose salary fits in leftover cap? Markkanen might be example.

Then S&T Harris for PG? Assuming Clippers wanted to get something for nothing - because PG was going to bolt to a cap team anyway.

In summary get:
1x max free agent
1x all-in traded for star using picks
1x S&T star using Harris

no they would have to renounce harris to have cap space to sign max free agent.

[psman2]

White boarding this one…

Could 76ers sign a max FA (not PG for this example).

Then trade leftover cap space plus all draft capital for a star whose salary fits in leftover cap? Markkanen might be example.

Then S&T Harris for PG? Assuming Clippers wanted to get something for nothing - because PG was going to bolt to a cap team anyway.

In summary get:
1x max free agent
1x all-in traded for star using picks
1x S&T star using Harris

To get to enough space to sign the 1st max guy the cap hold of Harris has to be released (or signed to a smaller than expected deal to stay in Philly<20m and dump Reed). After the signing of a 7-9 year max for example at 42.3m that would leave Philly roughly 15-22 million more in cap space after factoring in keeping Reed or not and Maxey's and incomplete roster holds.

So really the choice is either sign one max free agent using cap space and releasing Harris, or using Harris in a SNT for a max free agent and staying above the cap but below the 1st apron when the dust settles.

The clippers cannot be the team receiving Harris in a SNT since they will be well over the apron(unless they drastically cut salary...no or cheap Harden etc) but maybe a 3rd team could come into play getting Harris and could still land PG in Philly.

[Scoot McGroot]

Difference is 76ers only have ONE 1st truly unprotected - no what if language.

This doesn't seem true to me at all. Even if you have the Sixers as somehow a bottom 8 team, they absolutely still have the ability to trade multiple unprotected 1sts.
And they also could include swaps if they keep their pick in '27 and '28 so that a team would get a swap in the bottom 8, in your worst case scenario.

Also, if they can give up "best of (unprotected) picks", well, those are "unprotected picks", no? Even with "additional language"?

[Wolveswin]

Difference is 76ers only have ONE 1st truly unprotected - no what if language.

This doesn't seem true to me at all. Even if you have the Sixers as somehow a bottom 8 team, they absolutely still have the ability to trade multiple unprotected 1sts.
And they also could include swaps if they keep their pick in '27 and '28 so that a team would get a swap in the bottom 8, in your worst case scenario.

Also, if they can give up "best of (unprotected) picks", well, those are "unprotected picks", no? Even with "additional language"?

76ers only have one 1st that is truly unprotected without ‘what if’ language. That is 2028 Clippers 1st owed. 76ers can add a swap, but that swap comes with what if language (that says 76ers swap might not be available depending on 2027 1st outcome).

The 2026 1st is worst of 3 teams and 76ers swap is contingent on 25 actually conveying.

2029 1st can be unprotected but comes with language “2 years after 2027 conveyed.” Which already varies depending on when 2025 conveys.

2031 comes with multiple what ifs. Can’t be traded until after draft, only available if 25 and 27 don’t push forward, and only one shot deal (can’t be pushed to 2032).

[Wolveswin]

White boarding this one…

Could 76ers sign a max FA (not PG for this example).

Then trade leftover cap space plus all draft capital for a star whose salary fits in leftover cap? Markkanen might be example.

Then S&T Harris for PG? Assuming Clippers wanted to get something for nothing - because PG was going to bolt to a cap team anyway.

In summary get:
1x max free agent
1x all-in traded for star using picks
1x S&T star using Harris

To get to enough space to sign the 1st max guy the cap hold of Harris has to be released (or signed to a smaller than expected deal to stay in Philly<20m and dump Reed). After the signing of a 7-9 year max for example at 42.3m that would leave Philly roughly 15-22 million more in cap space after factoring in keeping Reed or not and Maxey's and incomplete roster holds.

So really the choice is either sign one max free agent using cap space and releasing Harris, or using Harris in a SNT for a max free agent and staying above the cap but below the 1st apron when the dust settles.

The clippers cannot be the team receiving Harris in a SNT since they will be well over the apron(unless they drastically cut salary...no or cheap Harden etc) but maybe a 3rd team could come into play getting Harris and could still land PG in Philly.

Ahhh, makes sense.

[Wolveswin]

Difference is 76ers only have ONE 1st truly unprotected - no what if language.

This doesn't seem true to me at all. Even if you have the Sixers as somehow a bottom 8 team, they absolutely still have the ability to trade multiple unprotected 1sts.
And they also could include swaps if they keep their pick in '27 and '28 so that a team would get a swap in the bottom 8, in your worst case scenario.

Also, if they can give up "best of (unprotected) picks", well, those are "unprotected picks", no? Even with "additional language"?

What I think you are saying is, yes 76ers can offer in trade the 2026 1st and say 100% will convey to team receiving it. It will be worst of 3 teams (meh) and 76ers can sweeten offer with own swap (with language as long as 2025 76ers conveys first).

[NYG]

Running it back is looking like the most realistic option? How would Embiid feel about that?

[the_process]

Running it back is looking like the most realistic option? How would Embiid feel about that?

If they have the audacity to just run it back... for his sake I would hope Embiid asks out. That would be malfeasance of the highest degree. I cannot believe Morey would do that.