Danny Ainge's challenge: "We are all-in"

[babyjax13]

Giddey

I think this makes a lot of sense. Maybe Kessler for Giddey? Giddey has clearly been better as the primary playmaker and that could put Keyonte in a better position, too.

[WinterSoldier]

This is clearly delusional from Ainge. There are no KG's out there looking to be traded, he could trade for Ingram but then the Jazz would just be a worse version of the Pelicans. We have picks but the price teams are asking for players is as inflated as the rest of the economy.

[SkyHook]

There isn’t another former teammate and current GM to gift Danny another hall of famer this time around. I have no idea which direction the Jazz brass are going to go, but I don’t expect much to be excited about this next season.

[SkyHook]

Giddey

I think this makes a lot of sense. Maybe Kessler for Giddey? Giddey has clearly been better as the primary playmaker and that could put Keyonte in a better position, too.

From Karl Malone to Deshawn Stevenson to Josh Giddey? Personally I’d rather the Jazz lose their reputation for collecting sex offenders, please.

[babyjax13]

Giddey

I think this makes a lot of sense. Maybe Kessler for Giddey? Giddey has clearly been better as the primary playmaker and that could put Keyonte in a better position, too.

From Karl Malone to Deshawn Stevenson to Josh Giddey? Personally I’d rather the Jazz lose their reputation for collecting sex offenders, please.

Giddey was investigated and not convicted. Obviously he could have done it, and I don't mind that being a reason to not like this.

[OxAndFox]

Giddey should be the target here and then go for someone that compliments he and Lauri with the remaining assets.
Or I wonder if Milwaukee and Dame have a quick exit if he wants to get to Utah to finish his career.

[jayjaysee]

I think Murray is the answer here even though it’s not all in…and I have given up defending keeping both point guards for Atlanta.. But it’s Clarkson and two 2025 firsts. Give Lauri 25 million and that should keep the fans and him happy for two years while you hope an MVP level player becomes available.


I do like the idea of Giddey. But I’d have no idea what that trade looks like. Presti likely asking for 2027 or 2029 firsts, Ainge trying to push the 2025 firsts..

I do think there’s a Sexton+Clarkson+lot of rebuilding assets for Trae deal possible where Atlanta gives Jalen a chance at being a star next year. Utah locks up Lauri and then adds as many 3/d guys as possible around the two stars.. Know some think Atlanta would only deal with SAS, but I think they would do something like that. It’s only 3 drafts to last and they can easily still compete for the play-in those 3 years..

[HadAnEffectHere]

A Murray to the Jazz trade probably looks something like

Walker Kessler
Jordan Clarkson
A pick or two

For Murray

But I don't know if either side would be willing to do this.

Murray is just way too small to play SG so this kind of permanently puts Keyonte George (who the Jazz adore) on the bench.

Like, we saw the Hawks' defense get a lot better when Murray stopped playing SG (correct me if I'm wrong) so it's hard to plan for Murray to just be a wildly undersized SG again.

George-Sexton-Murray is just way too small to ever win a playoff series.

Murray's height+length is fine but he's like... 180 pounds? That's tiny.

[SkyHook]

I think this makes a lot of sense. Maybe Kessler for Giddey? Giddey has clearly been better as the primary playmaker and that could put Keyonte in a better position, too.

From Karl Malone to Deshawn Stevenson to Josh Giddey? Personally I’d rather the Jazz lose their reputation for collecting sex offenders, please.

Giddey was investigated and not convicted. Obviously he could have done it, and I don't mind that being a reason to not like this.

Karl wasn’t convicted either, but it still gets a lot of traction on here. One of my first posts on RealGM (2002) was to vent about taking my young son to support a team that embraced statutory rapists. The Stevenson story had just broken and we had recently learned the name Demetress Bell.

I understand that it’s a non-issue for some, but I’d rather steer clear.

[meekrab]

I don't see it, the west is already a gauntlet of titans and next year you'll have Memphis and San Antonio competing for the playoffs in addition to all the other teams that are already much better than the Jazz.

Utah should sell Lauri and Collin to the highest bidders, see if you can rehabilitate John Collins, and fight Portland to win the loss column and have the best odds to draft what's his name everybody thinks is gonna be good.

[jayjaysee]

what's his name everybody thinks is gonna be good.

Bailey, Flagg, Maluach, Hugo… Harper, VJ..

I think it’s the right year to bottom out.

[babyjax13]

From Karl Malone to Deshawn Stevenson to Josh Giddey? Personally I’d rather the Jazz lose their reputation for collecting sex offenders, please.

Giddey was investigated and not convicted. Obviously he could have done it, and I don't mind that being a reason to not like this.

Karl wasn’t convicted either, but it still gets a lot of traction on here. One of my first posts on RealGM (2002) was to vent about taking my young son to support a team that embraced statutory rapists. The Stevenson story had just broken and we had recently learned the name Demetress Bell.

I understand that it’s a non-issue for some, but I’d rather steer clear.

Yah but we know for sure Karl did it. There was lots of conflicting info with Giddey. I'll stop there, I respect not being on board I just don't think they are the same situation *at the moment.*

[SkyHook]

Giddey was investigated and not convicted. Obviously he could have done it, and I don't mind that being a reason to not like this.

Karl wasn’t convicted either, but it still gets a lot of traction on here. One of my first posts on RealGM (2002) was to vent about taking my young son to support a team that embraced statutory rapists. The Stevenson story had just broken and we had recently learned the name Demetress Bell.

I understand that it’s a non-issue for some, but I’d rather steer clear.

Yah but we know for sure Karl did it. There was lots of conflicting info with Giddey. I'll stop there, I respect not being on board I just don't think they are the same situation *at the moment.*

Fair enough.

[Hugi Mancura]

I think this is said only to give false hope for fans, so fans keep on buying tickets and merchants. If they would say the truth, which is we will tank for Flagg, fans would start watching NHL next year.

Even if he means it finding star players is not an easy task. Teams don't want to trade them. Specially if your goal is to win it all in 3-5 years. Trae Young is not that guy, neither is Murray or Ingram. So pretty much only hope to start building a winning team is the situation where Bucks would crumble this summer.

[babyjax13]

I don' think it is deceitful, I think it is Ainge saying: we want to win, and when it makes sense to go all in, we will.

I think the best case scenario the following players are available: Karl Anthony Towns, Trae Young, Mikal Bridges. In reality, I don't think any of them will be available, but there is a realistic scenario that we are.

I've done this exercise before assuming that Murray and Bridges would be the best players available, but the question for Ainge and company would be something like ... how good is the following trio? Because you realistically have the assets to make good bids for multiple players:

Karl Anthony Towns
Lauri Markkenen
Trae Young

Can you put a good team around them?


Or this trio?

Lauri Markkenen
Mikal Bridges
Trae Young

[bkohler]

I don' think it is deceitful, I think it is Ainge saying: we want to win, and when it makes sense to go all in, we will.

I think the best case scenario the following players are available: Karl Anthony Towns, Trae Young, Mikal Bridges. In reality, I don't think any of them will be available, but there is a realistic scenario that we are.

I've done this exercise before assuming that Murray and Bridges would be the best players available, but the question for Ainge and company would be something like ... how good is the following trio? Because you realistically have the assets to make good bids for multiple players:

Karl Anthony Towns
Lauri Markkenen
Trae Young

Can you put a good team around them?


Or this trio?

Lauri Markkenen
Mikal Bridges
Trae Young

You can put a good team around them. You need the other players to be in the top 30-40. I don't think that's going to happen. The margin of error with good not great players is really low, you're basically attempting to build the current version of the knicks which are good maybe even great but not quite true title contenders (in my view).

[babyjax13]

I don' think it is deceitful, I think it is Ainge saying: we want to win, and when it makes sense to go all in, we will.

I think the best case scenario the following players are available: Karl Anthony Towns, Trae Young, Mikal Bridges. In reality, I don't think any of them will be available, but there is a realistic scenario that we are.

I've done this exercise before assuming that Murray and Bridges would be the best players available, but the question for Ainge and company would be something like ... how good is the following trio? Because you realistically have the assets to make good bids for multiple players:

Karl Anthony Towns
Lauri Markkenen
Trae Young

Can you put a good team around them?


Or this trio?

Lauri Markkenen
Mikal Bridges
Trae Young

You can put a good team around them. You need the other players to be in the top 30-40. I don't think that's going to happen. The margin of error with good not great players is really low, you're basically attempting to build the current version of the knicks which are good maybe even great but not quite true title contenders (in my view).

I agree. I think the more you do this kind of exercise the more the direction of the team becomes clear. Renegotiate and extend Lauri, bottom out for the 2025 draft, trade Lauri for picks/young players in the 2025 offseason.

[bkohler]

I agree. I think the more you do this kind of exercise the more the direction of the team becomes clear. Renegotiate and extend Lauri, bottom out for the 2025 draft, trade Lauri for picks/young players in the 2025 offseason.

Yeah, people say you can't be that bad with Lauri on the team, but I submit the last 30-odd games as evidence against that. It also wouldn't surprise me to see a team in the semi-panic mode because of their aging core or shortening title window (Warriors? Heat? Lakers?) be willing to trade for Lauri without the extension at some point this summer.

To me, the 'All In' statement is that they're all in on winning a title, not on building an in 2025 to compete or even a team around Lauri. I think you'll see Ainge make trades to grab players where he sees the chance to gain value no matter the fit, age or position.

[Ell Curry]

I don't believe him.

Given the strength of the West, the strength of the 2025 draft, and the relative lack of tanking teams (Portland, Washington and Detroit are the only ones), the smart move for Utah is to tank hard one more season. Ainge is smart enough and ruthless enough to do so.

I expect them to sell this offseason, not buy. I don't know if that means Markkanen will be moved, but everyone else born before 2001 possibly could be moved.

Can this be a move to con Markkanen? Get Markkanen signed, one more tough year and then all in next summer after grabbing a quality 2025 draft guy?

[Ell Curry]

I do like the idea of Giddey. But I’d have no idea what that trade looks like. Presti likely asking for 2027 or 2029 firsts, Ainge trying to push the 2025 firsts..

I wonder if OKC would just ask for Hendricks. Not great rebounding numbers, but a defensive 4 who can shoot the 3 makes sense.

SGA-Dort-Jdub-Hendricks-Chet
Wallace-Joe-Dieng-other Jwill-Center

and I guess OKC keeps Joe or signs an SG or drafts one, and the center is gotten at #12 or they move up to get Clingan or trade that pick or another, or just signs Hartenstein or maybe Claxton.