CWhite to SA

[pipfan]

I really think this makes sense, as part of a 2 part Bulls blowup, and SA makes a leap.

Coby plus the Port pick for the #8 and the Bulls' 2025 pick back

SA gets an awesome fit for Wemby-provides spacing/scoring and is a great kid on an awesome contract. They also add the Port pick (while losing the Bulls' pick)

Bulls add a pick and save $. They roll into the year with
Ayo/Carter
Lavine/Caruso
DDR/Caruso/Terry
PWill/Phillips
Vuc/Drummond
Plus BPA at #8/11

once they've built back Lavine's value some, they trade him, Caruso and DDR in Jan, tanking the year once many fans have bought tickets for the season.

[letsgobulls23]

So Bulls trade Coby (best asset in the deal, arguably their best player), and POR protected 1st for the 8th pick in a weak draft and their 2025 pick that's already top 10 protected?

[hugepatsfan]

Like OP said, this makes more sense as a "part 2" for the Bulls if they blow it up. As they're built now, they're a push for the play in type of team and this wouldn't really make sense. If they blow things up and start trading everyone, moving White in a deal like this makes sense.

I get that this isn't the best draft, but Coby White doesn't exactly have a long track record for teams to feel secure with. And even in his "breakout" year, I still don't think anyone projects him to be a perennial all NBA guy or even locked in all star. And even if we assume he repeats this year, or even improves on it, to establish more of a track record towards those loftier levels, that means you're moving him next year as an expiring contract that's too low to realistically extend him like a team would want to at that point.

If they're blowing up the rest of the roster, it makes sense to move White now unless you really believe he's a "foundational building block" type of player, which I don't believe he is. More of a "nice to have" than true "core piece" IMO. And even if it is a weak draft, I'm not sure you're realistically ever going to get better than a mid lottery pick for White.

[jbk1234]

I like it for both teams. I like White, but I just don't see a quick fix for the Bulls here. Maybe they get off Vuc's money for free, but I don't see anyone taking LaVine or Ball. They should burn a couple years off of those deals, collect draft capital, and rebuild.

[ChettheJet]

Yeah if you saw Coby White holding the Bulls back last season this isa great deal. Because bringing back Lavine, DeRozen and Vucevic is an express ticket to the Finals baby.

Do you just not see the problem of bringing back the main reasons the team has been under .500 for the last 3 years and seen the playoffs once and gettig draft picks that aren't going to ge to contribute because you've got 3 more years with Lavine, 2 more with Vucevic, if you're resigning DeRozan that's at least 3 years that makes it more difficult to trade Demar. . You're keeping Dosunmu apparently, Caruso is expiring so he's worth less in a trade for 35 games than moving him in the off season for 82. You've still got Carter and Craig, Phillips and Bitim have a year of NBA exposure and some experience so they're ahead of any draft picks.

The idea is Wrongheaded at best

[jbk1234]

Yeah if you saw Coby White holding the Bulls back last season this isa great deal. Because bringing back Lavine, DeRozen and Vucevic is an express ticket to the Finals baby.

Do you just not see the problem of bringing back the main reasons the team has been under .500 for the last 3 years and seen the playoffs once and gettig draft picks that aren't going to ge to contribute because you've got 3 more years with Lavine, 2 more with Vucevic, if you're resigning DeRozan that's at least 3 years that makes it more difficult to trade Demar. . You're keeping Dosunmu apparently, Caruso is expiring so he's worth less in a trade for 35 games than moving him in the off season for 82. You've still got Carter and Craig, Phillips and Bitim have a year of NBA exposure and some experience so they're ahead of any draft picks.

The idea is Wrongheaded at best

I get why this wouldn't necessarily be the preferred direction of Bulls fans, but I'm skeptical as far as the availability of alternatives. LaVine has got to take the floor and play himself up to nuetral value. Vuc is who he is. Maybe nuetral value?

[TheSuzerain]

I think you take the Port pick out of it.

But if the Bulls blow it up (they should but won't), this has some sense to it.

[wemby]

I like Coby White, but his contract can't be extended because of how low it is, so I'd rather take 2 lottery picks and gamble on Topic, Dillingham or Sheppard, plus whatever is available next year, all tied for 4 years on a cheap salary. Chicago is going the way of Toronto, not accepting where they are and will end up losing their players to free agency (Caruso, Coby White, etc.).

[jbk1234]

I like Coby White, but his contract can't be extended because of how low it is, so I'd rather take 2 lottery picks and gamble on Topic, Dillingham or Sheppard, plus whatever is available next year, all tied for 4 years on a cheap salary. Chicago is going the way of Toronto, not accepting where they are and will end up losing their players to free agency (Caruso, Coby White, etc.).

I don't see moving a good, young player with two full years left on his contract as going the way of Raptors. As far as the Spurs, you don't want to burn through too many of Wemby's rookie contract years trying to put a decent team around him.

[pipfan]

That's what I figure-Coby helps them to the playoffs next year, and they still have the #4 pick, plus all the ATL picks to play with and some cap space.

Bulls are just stuck, and this helps us start over. Build up Lavine's value some and get a positive return in Jan. Then, they start the tank

[Chinook]

I like White, but the Bulls pick as about as far as I'd go. It's fine if Chicago says no, but they certainly aren't getting a top-10 first as additional payment.

[jredsaz]

I really think this makes sense, as part of a 2 part Bulls blowup, and SA makes a leap.

Coby plus the Port pick for the #8 and the Bulls' 2025 pick back

SA gets an awesome fit for Wemby-provides spacing/scoring and is a great kid on an awesome contract. They also add the Port pick (while losing the Bulls' pick)

Bulls add a pick and save $. They roll into the year with
Ayo/Carter
Lavine/Caruso
DDR/Caruso/Terry
PWill/Phillips
Vuc/Drummond
Plus BPA at #8/11

once they've built back Lavine's value some, they trade him, Caruso and DDR in Jan, tanking the year once many fans have bought tickets for the season.

Isn’t Coby worth that return alone? No need to include the Portland pick. Otherwise, no idea why the Bulls would be moving Coby at all.

[jredsaz]

I like White, but the Bulls pick as about as far as I'd go. It's fine if Chicago says no, but they certainly aren't getting a top-10 first as additional payment.

That’s wild to me. Maybe the Bulls take back Graham if the Spurs want to operate under the cap, which I assume they do. Draft at 4 and use two picks that aren’t even yours to go get a really good, young point guard on a steal of a deal.

[One_and_Done]

White isn't even worth the #8 in a bad draft

[Chinook]

I like White, but the Bulls pick as about as far as I'd go. It's fine if Chicago says no, but they certainly aren't getting a top-10 first as additional payment.

That’s wild to me. Maybe the Bulls take back Graham if the Spurs want to operate under the cap, which I assume they do. Draft at 4 and use two picks that aren’t even yours to go get a really good, young point guard on a steal of a deal.

The Spurs don't need to be cheap. The fact that White is signed for two years at a good price couldn't matter less. Taking back Graham only saves $2.8 Million, and the Spurs shouldn't operate under the cap unless it's for a good reason.

I don't speak for the Spurs obviously, but I'd prefer they be able to make their picks in peace. They didn't go through all this trouble getting two top-10 picks just to throw them away.

[Chinook]

White isn't even worth the #8 in a bad draft

Because players are not objects, and this is not monopoly. White's "worth" is completely independent of what makes sense for the Spurs. It can be a bad idea for them to make this deal while also being true that Chicago should value him highly.

[jredsaz]

I like White, but the Bulls pick as about as far as I'd go. It's fine if Chicago says no, but they certainly aren't getting a top-10 first as additional payment.

That’s wild to me. Maybe the Bulls take back Graham if the Spurs want to operate under the cap, which I assume they do. Draft at 4 and use two picks that aren’t even yours to go get a really good, young point guard on a steal of a deal.

The Spurs don't need to be cheap. The fact that White is signed for two years at a good price couldn't matter less. Taking back Graham only saves $2.8 Million, and the Spurs shouldn't operate under the cap unless it's for a good reason.

I don't speak for the Spurs obviously, but I'd prefer they be able to make their picks in peace. They didn't go through all this trouble getting two top-10 picks just to throw them away.

I wouldn’t call that being cheap. I’d call it being smart. Rather have Coby at that cost (assets and salary) than what they are talking about with Trea. Add Coby, #4 and a quality FA at +/-$20M could put them in a great spot next season while maintaining flexibility.

[Chinook]

That’s wild to me. Maybe the Bulls take back Graham if the Spurs want to operate under the cap, which I assume they do. Draft at 4 and use two picks that aren’t even yours to go get a really good, young point guard on a steal of a deal.

The Spurs don't need to be cheap. The fact that White is signed for two years at a good price couldn't matter less. Taking back Graham only saves $2.8 Million, and the Spurs shouldn't operate under the cap unless it's for a good reason.

I don't speak for the Spurs obviously, but I'd prefer they be able to make their picks in peace. They didn't go through all this trouble getting two top-10 picks just to throw them away.

I wouldn’t call that being cheap. I’d call it being smart. Rather have Coby at that cost (assets and salary) than what they are talking about with Trea. Add Coby, #4 and a quality FA at +/-$20M could put them in a great spot next season while maintaining flexibility.

Or they could have 4, 8 and a better free agent, which is even better. You don't have to sell me on the Young trade being a bad idea -- it's a bad idea. But there are many superior ideas to that which are still not good deals for the Spurs. This is one of them.

[jredsaz]

The Spurs don't need to be cheap. The fact that White is signed for two years at a good price couldn't matter less. Taking back Graham only saves $2.8 Million, and the Spurs shouldn't operate under the cap unless it's for a good reason.

I don't speak for the Spurs obviously, but I'd prefer they be able to make their picks in peace. They didn't go through all this trouble getting two top-10 picks just to throw them away.

I wouldn’t call that being cheap. I’d call it being smart. Rather have Coby at that cost (assets and salary) than what they are talking about with Trea. Add Coby, #4 and a quality FA at +/-$20M could put them in a great spot next season while maintaining flexibility.

Or they could have 4, 8 and a better free agent, which is even better. You don't have to sell me on the Young trade being a bad idea -- it's a bad idea. But there are many superior ideas to that which are still not good deals for the Spurs. This is one of them.

Which attainable free agent is better than Coby White? It also seems like you have a lot more confidence in this draft class than most. And again, if the Spurs send out Graham and #8 for Coby they are creating more room to go get that free agent. It’s not a bad idea. Might not end up being their best option but it’s FAR from a bad idea. Not every proposal on this board has to be perfect or terrible.

[Chinook]

I wouldn’t call that being cheap. I’d call it being smart. Rather have Coby at that cost (assets and salary) than what they are talking about with Trea. Add Coby, #4 and a quality FA at +/-$20M could put them in a great spot next season while maintaining flexibility.

Or they could have 4, 8 and a better free agent, which is even better. You don't have to sell me on the Young trade being a bad idea -- it's a bad idea. But there are many superior ideas to that which are still not good deals for the Spurs. This is one of them.

Which attainable free agent is better than Coby White? It also seems like you have a lot more confidence in this draft class than most. And again, if the Spurs send out Graham and #8 for Coby they are creating more room to go get that free agent. It’s not a bad idea. Might not end up being their best option but it’s FAR from a bad idea. Not every proposal on this board has to be perfect or terrible.

So they aren't saving money by trading Graham and 8 for White, because Graham's deal is mostly non-guaranteed. They also don't need to get a better PG than White, because they are a rebuilding team. They just need to make their picks and let them grow.