Memphis - Milwaukee - Orlando - Portland

[Godaddycurse]

Memphis trade: ZW, Kennard, #9
Memphis receive: Lopez, #14

Milwaukee trade: Lopez
Milwaukee receive: WCJ, Thybulle

Orlando trade: WCJ, better of DEN/ORL 2025 LP 1st
Orlando receive: Simons

Portland trade: Simons, Thybulle, #14
Portland receive: ZW, Kennard, #9, better of DEN/ORL 2025 LP 1st

Why for Portland: Use Simons/Thybulle to move up in the draft and get a future 1st
Why for Orlando: get a scoring guard
Why for Memphis: move back to get a starting C
Why for Milwaukee: Get younger at C and get a wing defender

add seconds as needed.. (to portland?)

[JRoy]

Works for me; gets Simons off my team and brings lesser assets and picks.

[BlazersBroncos]

Is Thybulle in this deal? B/C his inclusion changes my opinion.

If its just Simons and filler (Kris?) I am game. Not sure I do this w/ Matisse. I want to keep BB and Matisse while moving Simons and Grant.

[Godaddycurse]

Is Thybulle in this deal? B/C his inclusion changes my opinion.

If its just Simons and filler (Kris?) I am game. Not sure I do this w/ Matisse. I want to keep BB and Matisse while moving Simons and Grant.

sorry, thybulle is in the deal, i figure someone can add 2nds for him if people think more value is due to portland... or maybe 23 for 34+40?

[BlazersBroncos]

Is Thybulle in this deal? B/C his inclusion changes my opinion.

If its just Simons and filler (Kris?) I am game. Not sure I do this w/ Matisse. I want to keep BB and Matisse while moving Simons and Grant.

sorry, thybulle is in the deal, i figure someone can add 2nds for him if people think more value is due to portland... or maybe 23 for 34+40?

If thats the case I would just cut out MIL.

PDX OUT - Simons, 14
PDX IN - ZW, Kennard, 9, 2025 DEN FRP

ORL OUT - WCJ, 2025 DEN FRP
ORL IN - Simons

MEM OUT - ZW, Kennard, 9
MEM IN - WCJ, 14

[esvl]

It seems a fair trade for Memphis value-wise, but I don’t think Lopez is what Memphis is looking for in their next starting centre.

[QMemphis]

Memphis trade: ZW, Kennard, #9
Memphis receive: Lopez, #14

Milwaukee trade: Lopez
Milwaukee receive: WCJ, Thybulle

Orlando trade: WCJ, better of DEN/ORL 2025 LP 1st
Orlando receive: Simons

Portland trade: Simons, Thybulle, #14
Portland receive: ZW, Kennard, #9, better of DEN/ORL 2025 LP 1st

Why for Portland: Use Simons/Thybulle to move up in the draft and get a future 1st
Why for Orlando: get a scoring guard
Why for Memphis: move back to get a starting C
Why for Milwaukee: Get younger at C and get a wing defender

add seconds as needed.. (to portland?)

Would prefer WCJ for Grizz. Cut out Bucks

Grizz trade : Luke/Konchar/Ziaire/ 25 1st/3 2nds
Grizz receive: WCJ

Portland in: Konchar/Ziaire/ Grizz 25 1st/Nuggets 25 1st/Grizz 3 2nds
Portland out: Simons

Magic in: Simons/Kennard
Magics out: WCJ/Nuggets 25 1st

[BlazersBroncos]

Memphis trade: ZW, Kennard, #9
Memphis receive: Lopez, #14

Milwaukee trade: Lopez
Milwaukee receive: WCJ, Thybulle

Orlando trade: WCJ, better of DEN/ORL 2025 LP 1st
Orlando receive: Simons

Portland trade: Simons, Thybulle, #14
Portland receive: ZW, Kennard, #9, better of DEN/ORL 2025 LP 1st

Why for Portland: Use Simons/Thybulle to move up in the draft and get a future 1st
Why for Orlando: get a scoring guard
Why for Memphis: move back to get a starting C
Why for Milwaukee: Get younger at C and get a wing defender

add seconds as needed.. (to portland?)

Would prefer WCJ for Grizz. Cut out Bucks

Grizz trade : Luke/Konchar/Ziaire/ 25 1st/3 2nds
Grizz receive: WCJ

Portland in: Konchar/Ziaire/ Grizz 25 1st/Nuggets 25 1st/Grizz 3 2nds
Portland out: Simons

Magic in: Simons/Kennard
Magics out: WCJ/Nuggets 25 1st

I like this the most actually. Think we could give Konchar away to a cap space team and save the roster spot too.

[psman2]

I am against trading for Lopez, I know some posters don't think age is a thing here but the fall off is imminent for him, it just a question of how soon. Plus he is likely to still command a contract that is very likely to turn negative after this season. I rather just avoid the whole situation. Plus we really need a much better rebounder than him. But at least the asset cost here is reasonable so if it happened I wouldn't balk at the value, but I think we rather try to find a solution that will work for the next 3-5 years versus this likely being Brooks final starting impact year.

But getting 14 back to take a stab on project center still is somewhat enticing. So......yeah I guess I would be ok with this...depending on who is on the board when we pick, not sure if this is the type of deal that would go down when we are on the clock (kinda of big) and I don't think the trade is good enough to do without seeing who is there at 9.

I think OKC would pay more than we would for Lopez btw.

[Texas Chuck]

I am against trading for Lopez, I know some posters don't think age is a thing here but the fall off is imminent for him, it just a question of how soon. Plus he is likely to still command a contract that is very likely to turn negative after this season. I rather just avoid the whole situation. Plus we really need a much better rebounder than him. But at least the asset cost here is reasonable so if it happened I wouldn't balk at the value, but I think we rather try to find a solution that will work for the next 3-5 years versus this likely being Brooks final starting impact year.

But getting 14 back to take a stab on project center still is somewhat enticing. So......yeah I guess I would be ok with this...depending on who is on the board when we pick, not sure if this is the type of deal that would go down when we are on the clock (kinda of big) and I don't think good enough to do without seeing who is there at 9.

I think OKC would pay more than we would for Lopez btw.

What about the tax implications? That was the first thing I thought about. Also fwiw BroLo would likely help with the rebounding. He's like his brother and Nene as guys with medicore individual rebounding numbers, but their teams tend to be really good defensive rebounding teams because they are block out masters.

[psman2]

I am against trading for Lopez, I know some posters don't think age is a thing here but the fall off is imminent for him, it just a question of how soon. Plus he is likely to still command a contract that is very likely to turn negative after this season. I rather just avoid the whole situation. Plus we really need a much better rebounder than him. But at least the asset cost here is reasonable so if it happened I wouldn't balk at the value, but I think we rather try to find a solution that will work for the next 3-5 years versus this likely being Brooks final starting impact year.

But getting 14 back to take a stab on project center still is somewhat enticing. So......yeah I guess I would be ok with this...depending on who is on the board when we pick, not sure if this is the type of deal that would go down when we are on the clock (kinda of big) and I don't think good enough to do without seeing who is there at 9.

I think OKC would pay more than we would for Lopez btw.

What about the tax implications? That was the first thing I thought about. Also fwiw BroLo would likely help with the rebounding. He's like his brother and Nene as guys with medicore individual rebounding numbers, but their teams tend to be really good defensive rebounding teams because they are block out masters.

Tax implications of what? I don't think it is going to cost much to dump Zaire if we choose to. I think there will be few teams that take him in cheap to kick the tires on his last rookie year. Kennard can jut be waived too if tax implications is a big thing for us. So I don't have tax implication as a real big part of this trade. Using Kennard here likely locks us into paying the tax.

JJJ is no Giannis though, BroLo blocking out when JJJ is at the 3pt line just doesn't quite result in the same net rebounding effect. I rather my center just get the rebound than be a block out master.

[Texas Chuck]

Tax implications of what? I don't think it is going to cost much to dump Zaire if we choose to. I think there will be few teams that take him in cheap to kick the tires on his last rookie year. Kennard can jut be waived too if tax implications is a big thing for us. So I don't have tax implication as a real big part of this trade. Using Kennard here likely locks us into paying the tax.

JJJ is no Giannis though, BroLo blocking out when JJJ is at the 3pt line just doesn't quite result in the same net rebounding effect. I rather my center just get the rebound than be a block out master.

Yes, this is what I am talking about with regards to tax. If you are already on the fence about BroLo, being pushed into tax should turn it into a harder no, right?

Defensive rebounding is always about team. Offensive rebounding is about individual ability and how aggressive a coach is willing to be attacking it. I wager he'd not be a liability as part of a team rebounding strategy. Guys like Drummond and Jordan who vacuum up a bunch of rebounds haven't always led to great defensive rebounding teams because they use offensive rebounding strategy of I'm big and athletic and I want the stat so they chase the ball. I remember rebounding drills where the coach challenged the defense to let the ball bounce twice before grabbing it. The idea being if you lock off the offense your team is going to get the ball.

Anyway not trying to hard sell BroLo to Memphis. But I do know rebounding isn't just go get ball.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Would prefer WCJ for Grizz. Cut out Bucks

Grizz trade : Luke/Konchar/Ziaire/ 25 1st/3 2nds
Grizz receive: WCJ

Portland in: Konchar/Ziaire/ Grizz 25 1st/Nuggets 25 1st/Grizz 3 2nds
Portland out: Simons

Magic in: Simons/Kennard
Magics out: WCJ/Nuggets 25 1st

This makes a lot of sense to me as well. Can probably cut out the 2nd rounders and maybe even squeeze Reath out of Portland for some extra center depth if needed.

Actually a healthy Williams would be an amazing fit in Memphis but I'm not sure how to navigate the money/health aspects there.

[Myth]

Memphis trade: ZW, Kennard, #9
Memphis receive: Lopez, #14

Milwaukee trade: Lopez
Milwaukee receive: WCJ, Thybulle

Orlando trade: WCJ, better of DEN/ORL 2025 LP 1st
Orlando receive: Simons

Portland trade: Simons, Thybulle, #14
Portland receive: ZW, Kennard, #9, better of DEN/ORL 2025 LP 1st

Why for Portland: Use Simons/Thybulle to move up in the draft and get a future 1st
Why for Orlando: get a scoring guard
Why for Memphis: move back to get a starting C
Why for Milwaukee: Get younger at C and get a wing defender

add seconds as needed.. (to portland?)

Would prefer WCJ for Grizz. Cut out Bucks

Grizz trade : Luke/Konchar/Ziaire/ 25 1st/3 2nds
Grizz receive: WCJ

Portland in: Konchar/Ziaire/ Grizz 25 1st/Nuggets 25 1st/Grizz 3 2nds
Portland out: Simons

Magic in: Simons/Kennard
Magics out: WCJ/Nuggets 25 1st

I’m in, and don’t need the 2nds.

[psman2]

Tax implications of what? I don't think it is going to cost much to dump Zaire if we choose to. I think there will be few teams that take him in cheap to kick the tires on his last rookie year. Kennard can jut be waived too if tax implications is a big thing for us. So I don't have tax implication as a real big part of this trade. Using Kennard here likely locks us into paying the tax.

JJJ is no Giannis though, BroLo blocking out when JJJ is at the 3pt line just doesn't quite result in the same net rebounding effect. I rather my center just get the rebound than be a block out master.

Yes, this is what I am talking about with regards to tax. If you are already on the fence about BroLo, being pushed into tax should turn it into a harder no, right?

Defensive rebounding is always about team. Offensive rebounding is about individual ability and how aggressive a coach is willing to be attacking it. I wager he'd not be a liability as part of a team rebounding strategy. Guys like Drummond and Jordan who vacuum up a bunch of rebounds haven't always led to great defensive rebounding teams because they use offensive rebounding strategy of I'm big and athletic and I want the stat so they chase the ball. I remember rebounding drills where the coach challenged the defense to let the ball bounce twice before grabbing it. The idea being if you lock off the offense your team is going to get the ball.

Anyway not trying to hard sell BroLo to Memphis. But I do know rebounding isn't just go get ball.

As constructed this trade would send us over the apron without some other moves so we would need to send out more than 100% in salary to be compliant with the apron. And likely force to pay/dump additional salary that we rather not do. So I agree that Brook is not a good enough long term answer for us to go deep into the tax.

And yes I am aware of how rebounding works. Just look at Brooklyn's team rebounding ranks with Lopez there when he was in his prime and posting his highest rebounding numbers. 23, 28,15, 27, 9, 29, 22, 27, 12. The year they were at 9 the had rebounding specialists like Reggie Evans 11.1r and Kris Humphries. More often than not Lopez's teams without a historical strong rebounder next him are very subpar rebounding teams. Now Memphis is a decent team rebounding team with Ja and Bane as good rebounding guards, but our SF position is likely going to be a subpar rebounding group effort, JJJ is likely a 6-7r guy still. We don't have the personal to realistically think we can overcome two subpar rebounding starting frontcourt players if we land Lopez.

[tester551]

Would prefer WCJ for Grizz. Cut out Bucks

Grizz trade : Luke/Konchar/Ziaire/ 25 1st/3 2nds
Grizz receive: WCJ

Portland in: Konchar/Ziaire/ Grizz 25 1st/Nuggets 25 1st/Grizz 3 2nds
Portland out: Simons

Magic in: Simons/Kennard
Magics out: WCJ/Nuggets 25 1st

This is the best option.

Grizz don't need to send that much salary out.. but it doesn't hurt them.

Ziaire's physical traits are tantalizing, but he doesn't seem to be anywhere near of 'putting it together' and being a good player. I guess Portland can take a swing and see if he can stick in the league.

[psman2]

Would prefer WCJ for Grizz. Cut out Bucks

Grizz trade : Luke/Konchar/Ziaire/ 25 1st/3 2nds
Grizz receive: WCJ

Portland in: Konchar/Ziaire/ Grizz 25 1st/Nuggets 25 1st/Grizz 3 2nds
Portland out: Simons

Magic in: Simons/Kennard
Magics out: WCJ/Nuggets 25 1st

This is the best option.

Grizz don't need to send that much salary out & Portland doesn't have that many roster spots available.

Ziaire's physical traits are tantalizing, but he doesn't seem to be anywhere near of 'putting it together' and being a good player. I think Griz should keep him.

Zaire is likely a dump somewhere this offseason if he is not included in a trade like this, the price to do so is really the only thing in doubt for me. He still looks like he could be on the verge of being a rotation level wing, but we just have so many guys ahead of him now and need the roster spot and salary opened up. I think the cost will likely be a bad 2nd and some cash at most, if I was a team like Det or Washington I would take him in for free to give him a tryout.

[Skybox]

I like it value-wise for ORL...but they better have some tampering going on for Claxton or Hartenstein (the Wagners can contact him in German to keep it on the DL)

[Tim Lehrbach]

I kinda like all of these for Portland. Now that the draft order has been determined, using Blazers veterans -- possibly not able to fetch first rounders on their own -- to move up in the draft (or out of it for future picks) makes some sense. Would prefer to only have to use Simons here and not Thybulle, too. Would just rather have Matisse available for another deal or keep him around to set a professional and defensive-minded tone for the team.

I would be surprised if Memphis traded down in the draft for Lopez, as in OP, and would be stunned if they surrendered an unprotected future pick for Lopez, WCS, or any minor upgrade at center.

[BlazersBroncos]

I kinda like all of these for Portland. Now that the draft order has been determined, using Blazers veterans -- possibly not able to fetch first rounders on their own -- to move up in the draft (or out of it for future picks) makes some sense. Would prefer to only have to use Simons here and not Thybulle, too. Would just rather have Matisse available for another deal or keep him around to set a professional and defensive-minded tone for the team.

I would be surprised if Memphis traded down in the draft for Lopez, as in OP, and would be stunned if they surrendered an unprotected future pick for Lopez, WCS, or any minor upgrade at center.

Ya - I think MEM will have the mind that this high pick is an anomaly and they wont have a chance for another once Ja is back and healthy. I strongly think they keep the pick.

I also agree that MEM wont surrender a UNP FRP for Lopez or WCJ. But in this case I think the pick they provide will be LP.

And as a Blazers fan - I am fine with coming out of a Simons deal w/ the 25 DEN FRP (Top5 / Top5 / Top5) and a 2027 MEM FRP (LP for 3 years then SRPs).