MIL/TOR/SAC/MIA

WiscoKing13 · Post #1 » by **WiscoKing13** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:50 am

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Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Charlie Villanueva
Salary: $3,448,050 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 13.5 REB: 6.3 AST: 1.4 PER: 18.07
Bucks First protected top 3

Outgoing Players: John SalmonsToronto Raptors

Incoming Players
Shawn Marion
Salary: $17,810,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 12.3 REB: 9.2 AST: 1.9 PER: 16.02

Richard Jefferson
Salary: $13,200,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 17.5 REB: 4.8 AST: 2.1 PER: 14.26

Outgoing Players: Jamario Moon, Jermaine O'Neal, Jason KaponoMiami Heat

Incoming Players
Jamario Moon
Salary: $711,517 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 7.5 REB: 4.5 AST: 1.3 PER: 14.79

Jermaine O'Neal
Salary: $21,372,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 13.6 REB: 7.2 AST: 1.6 PER: 16.27

Jason Kapono
Salary: $5,784,480 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 8.2 REB: 2.0 AST: 1.7 PER: 8.90

Raps 2nd

Outgoing Players: Udonis Haslem, Shawn MarionMilwaukee Bucks

Incoming Players
Udonis Haslem
Salary: $6,575,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.2 REB: 8.9 AST: 1.2 PER: 13.46

John Salmons
Salary: $5,104,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 18.9 REB: 3.9 AST: 3.4 PER: 16.48

Outgoing Players: Charlie Villanueva, Richard Jefferson

Bucks get the perfect SS type PF, we get and upgrade and cheaper SF. Save money and then have money for sessions

Toronto, cap room and upgrade the wings

Miami, get the true inside presence and get an outside shooter with a nice bench wing. Still have money for 0210

Sac get a nice run and gun PF and a first round pick.

Sound good? let me know

Baddy Chuck · Post #2 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:52 am

Miami gets hosed here. They want to add Banks to Marion for O'Neal, not add Haslem and have the joy of taking on Kaponos contract.

ecuhus1981 · Post #3 » by **ecuhus1981** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:37 am

Welcome, WiscoKing

When Milwaukee upgrades two starting positions while shedding 2010 capspace, you know that someone else is getting abused in the deal.

SAC gets a fair shake value-wise, but don't really need Charlie with Thompson and Greene around.

I shudder at the thought of Jefferson and Marion on the same team, especially alongside Bosh and Bargs. Not a good fit at all. RJ works with Andrea, and Matrix makes sense next to CB$, but starting all four together would be a mess.

RtB already elucidated MIA's perspective. I don't think that this idea can be salvaged.

WiscoKing13 · Post #4 » by **WiscoKing13** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:37 pm

On the Kings part of real gm they seemed good with that part of the deal

The Raps would be dreaming if they think they'll win this year, all marion is, is dead money

Miami gets to upgrade the center position, clear room for beasley

Gives them a SF for cheap one year and Kapono worked before on the heat and he expires before the 010 summer

Post #5 » by **BBallFreak** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:38 pm

WiscoKing13 wrote:Miami gets to upgrade the center position, clear room for beasley

Gives them a SF for cheap one year and Kapono worked before on the heat and he expires before the 010 summer

Miami can make the same upgrade at the center position without taking Kapono, whom they do not need, while giving up Banks and keeping Haslem. They have no desire to hand Beasley the starting job. He needs to earn it. As far as Moon goes, I'm not convinced he's any better than Yakouba Diawara, James Jones, or Dorell Wright the players in line to compete for Marion's job should he be dealt.

This is a very easy pass for Miami. It feels like they're being asked to give up Haslem for Kapono and Banks, and their is no need for them to do that...

WiscoKing13 · Post #6 » by **WiscoKing13** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:22 pm

So who would you want Tornoto or milwaukee to insert for Kapono?

Post #7 » by **BBallFreak** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:35 pm

WiscoKing13 wrote:So who would you want Tornoto or milwaukee to insert for Kapono?

Why would I want them to? Why wouldn't I just want the original deal with Toronto that saw us getting rid of Banks and dealing Marion for O'Neal?

Post #8 » by **Schad** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:41 pm

Miami really does get hosed here, and Toronto pulls off one hell of a heist.

cdt3 · Post #9 » by **cdt3** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:59 pm

The Kings could use Villaneuva as a future 3/4/5. Greene is a future 3/4. CV would allow us us to trade Miller/Thomas this summer when they are exprirings and have high value. CV would fit in here.

chriswebb86 · Post #10 » by **chriswebb86** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:35 pm

I would prefer to get Ramon Sessions then Charlie. I could see Salmons for both of them especially since both are restricted free agents at the end of the season.

Wade2k6 · Post #11 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:47 pm

No from MIA.

Baddy Chuck · Post #12 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:55 pm

chriswebb86 wrote:I would prefer to get Ramon Sessions then Charlie. I could see Salmons for both of them especially since both are restricted free agents at the end of the season.

There is a 0% chance you get both.

WiscoKing13 · Post #13 » by **WiscoKing13** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:59 pm

again i'll say it again
What would make it better for miami if we withdraw kapono?

Baddy Chuck · Post #14 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:52 pm

WiscoKing13 wrote:again i'll say it again
What would make it better for miami if we withdraw kapono?

Not enough, theres a rumor around where they trade Marion and Banks terrible contract. I'm sure that has a lot of merit to it and in this deal they also give up Haslem who is more then likely the most valuable player in the whole deal.

WiscoKing13 · Post #15 » by **WiscoKing13** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:08 am

Anything from the bucks roster you like?
Maybe if toronto's end if they up it to a 1st thats protected top 3?

Post #16 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:46 am

WiscoKing13 wrote:Anything from the bucks roster you like?
Maybe if toronto's end if they up it to a 1st thats protected top 3?

Look, taking Kapono out and adding in Banks would be a start. Then, however, you have to compensate us for Haslem and you haven't come close...

farzi · Post #17 » by **farzi** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:49 am

^Just curious for future dealings, what other players would you put at similar value to Haslem? He's a guy who's hard to get a read on

Post #18 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:55 am

farzi wrote:^Just curious for future dealings, what other players would you put at similar value to Haslem? He's a guy who's hard to get a read on

Tell me about it, because I fully recognize that he has more value to Miami than to anyone else. I genuinely do not know what it would take for Miami to give him up because he is so valuable to them. I would imagine it would have to be a matter of a ridiculous overpayment, not because he's worth it per say, but because he brings so many intangibles to the table.

How do you judge any glue player's value? Look at what Shane Battier drew in trade for Memphis. Look at the contract that James Posey got from New Orleans. Hell, look at how valued Horace Grant and Charles Oakley were. It's just not an easy call to describe his value...

farzi · Post #19 » by **farzi** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:57 am

Agreed, but I don't think Haslem is quite on the Posey / Grant / Battier level, although he is still fairly young

Post #20 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:04 pm

farzi wrote:Agreed, but I don't think Haslem is quite on the Posey / Grant / Battier level, although he is still fairly young

I disagree. I think he is exactly there. What he did to Dirk in '06 too often gets overlooked because he doesn't hit three pointers...