Toronto/Washington (BOSH)

[junot111]

Wizards trade:
Caron Butler
Etan Thomas
2009 1st Round Pick (NOT #1)

Raptors trade:
Chris Bosh(re-signed)
Jason Kapono

Wiz new lineup:

Haywood/McGee
Bosh/Blatche
Jamison/McGuire/Kapono
Stevenson/Young
Arenas/James/Dixon

plus anyone else they get in the offseason.
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Raptors use Wizards pick to draft Thabeet and use their own pick to draft Willie Warren.

Raps new lineup:

Thabeet/Rasho(LLE)/Thomas
Bargnani/Pops
Butler/??/Graham
Warren/Parker
Calderon/Ukic/Banks

There is a question mark at the SF spot, because Raps have Marion expiring and it would be nice if Marion accepted a backup role and re-signed, but if not then they would renounce his rights and sign another decent wing player from free agency. I believe Trevor Ariza is available, perhaps we can show him some money to get him away from Lakers like Warriors did with Turiaf?
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Reason for Washington:
their current team is not working. They need a major shakeup. However not too many teams are interested in Jamison due to his age, and they are unlikely to let Arenas go. So Butler is the odd man out. They get another superstar player in Bosh who is not injury prone and can carry the team's offensive load on any given night. He is also a decent rebounder who's averaging above 9RPG this season, and a mediocre shot blocker who will swat a few shots now and then. Jamison has no problem playing the 3, as he's done plenty of times earlier in his career. A trio of Arenas - Jamison - Bosh is very scary, and perhaps a season or two later Nick Young can be included in that group as well. Chris Bosh would also be playing with a center that finally compliments him in Brendan Haywood.

Reason for Raptors:
Well, I'm a Raptors fan and I'd hate to trade Bosh but I think that if it came down to it this would be a good deal for us. We get a star player at the wing position which we desperately need, and Bargs has shown this year that he can take on the role as our go-to guy inside. Hasheem Thabeet compliments Bargnani pretty well, which could mean that both of their production could even improve. By trading Bosh we don't really have a number 1 option anymore (Butler and Bargs aren't #1 scoring options yet), so we need another scorer to balance the offensive load, and that's where Willie Warren comes in. He's a great offensive player who can finally take the starting job from old man Parker, and with Butler who is a tough and gritty defender his mediocre defense won't be a problem.

I think this trade helps both teams. I know there are going to be disagreements and hate coming from fans perhaps from both teams but please try to explain why you think this is a bad trade(if that's what you think).

No death threats

[yungal07]

The Wizards decline. Financially, they'd be way over the luxury tax with a resigned Bosh and Kapono. Secondly, Bosh is not worth Butler, a high lottery pick, and an expiring, all while taking a horribly overpaid one-trick pony in Kapono.

This is just highway robbery on Toronto's part.

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Blatche, Butler, and a top 10 protected 2010 first would be a more fair deal, IMO.

[N.O.R.E.]

^I agree. That isn't actually a bad idea at all.

[junot111]

Blatche, Butler, and a top 10 protected 2010 first would be a more fair deal, IMO.

Are the Wizards willing to part with Blatche though?

[N.O.R.E.]

Sure. Another destination for Jamison would be required IMO, how about Charlotte for Gerald Wallace?

Haywood/McGee
Bosh/Songaila/Pecherov
Wallace/McGuire
Young/Stevenson/Arenas
Arenas/Rubio

Hell, even if Arenas' career was somehow done the Wizards would have one helluva team.

[positivetension]

Blatche, Butler, and a top 10 protected 2010 first would be a more fair deal, IMO.

Why on earth would Toronto consider it? If we move Bosh it would be for a rebuild. Butler being born in 1980 does not fit the bill, Blatche is ok and a top 10 protected pick is also ok but hardly worth Bosh.

I understand people want to lowball Toronto but I can almost guarantee that if he's moved it will be for a worthwhile package and that there is still a pretty decent chance he re-signs in Toronto.

[nate33]

Blatche, Butler, and a top 10 protected 2010 first would be a more fair deal, IMO.

Agreed. That's a reasonable deal.

The bottom line is that Bosh isn't worth Butler + a top 3 pick. That's just too much. He's worth Jamison plus the top 3 pick, or he's worth Butler plus a lower pick in 2010. I wouldn't have any trouble throwing in Blatche to close the deal.

Sure. Another destination for Jamison would be required IMO, how about Charlotte for Gerald Wallace?

Haywood/McGee
Bosh/Songaila/Pecherov
Wallace/McGuire
Young/Stevenson/Arenas
Arenas/Rubio

Hell, even if Arenas' career was somehow done the Wizards would have one helluva team.

I'd be very pleased with that outcome.

Another tweak would be to try and trade Jamison for Battier. Then draft Harden:

Haywood/McGee
Bosh/Songaila
Battier/McGuire
Harden/Young
Arenas/Crittenton

[VintaGe36]

Wish HOU would take Jamison for Battier, but they wouldn't trade for him.

[The Duke]

Nate there nothing can be done?

I really dont see us wanting Jamison + 09 top3 ... and I'd think BC would be looking for a pick in this year rather then 2010

If we start with:

Bosh
+ (if anything)

4

Butler
2009 pick
+

what needs to be added on both sides to make this work? I'm fine with a salary dump on your side.

[flipside21]

^^^

That's a great question Duke - and I think its something a lot of Raptors fans would be very interested in finding out.

My first comment would be that adding a pick exchange, as opposed to a straight up acquisition, may open up a lot more options - although Toronto would obviously love to keep their hands on both picks there may not be a way to do so . . .

Bosh
+ 8

for

Butler
+ Blatche
+ 3


?

[nate33]

Nate there nothing can be done?

I really dont see us wanting Jamison + 09 top3 ... and I'd think BC would be looking for a pick in this year rather then 2010

If we start with:

Bosh
+ (if anything)

4

Butler
2009 pick
+

what needs to be added on both sides to make this work? I'm fine with a salary dump on your side.

A trade like this might be feasible:

Toronto trades: Bosh + #8 pick
Washington trades: Butler + #2 pick + Songaila

[Rapsobsessed7]

done by me only if Rubio is available. Then i would trade Jose for Fernandez+TPE

Rubio/Roko/Banks
Fernandez/Delfino/Kapono
Butler/Graham
Marion/Songila/Hump
Bargnani/Rasho/O'Byrant

[The Duke]

Toronto trades: Bosh + #8 pick
Washington trades: Butler + #2 pick + Songaila

Very Reasonable .... If Raps like the guy at #2 (ALOT) ... I'd do it

Rebuild 2 year plan... keep Songail/Kapono/Banks till they are expirings and evaluate then else let them expire together

But I still dont want Marion/Delfino here...

[VintaGe36]

What about something like Bosh/#8 for Butler/#2/Stevenson/Songaila and a future 1st round pick?(say lottery protected in 2010)

I would absolutely love to purge our team of post 2010 contracts. (please??)

Arenas/Crittenton
Young
Jamison/McGuire
Bosh/Blatche
Haywood/McGee


We could than package James and Thomas for a good SG, and we'd be set.

[The Duke]

VintaGe36 ... that would be too much.

In ideal circumstances... Raps would love to do Bosh/#7 for Bulter/#2 /Thomas.

If not... replace Thomas with DeShawn

If not... replace Thomas with Darius

Of course all this hinges on whether Rap Mgt see the player at #2 being FARR better then the player available at #7.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Unless they dump Calderon and draft Rubio, probably not. Though Thabeet/Bargs/Butler isn't a bad frontcourt.

My ideal scenario something like Bosh for #2/Thomas/Blatche/Pecherov, have you trade Bargs + Calderon (who are both more "Nellie" players) for Biedrins/, then draft Rubio and Henderson.

I really want to trade Caron Butler for a lock-down defender at SF (Battier is what I'm looking for), either run Jamison off the bench or trade him for an expiring, and then attempt to acquire a quality starting SG who can defend, shoot, and slash without being ball-dominant.

[Rapsobsessed7]

i think i would do it if they wizards added Mcgee.

Bosh
Hump
#7

For

Butler
Songila
Stevenson
Mcgee
# 2

[Boner Champ]

This might not be a bad idea for the raps if Rubio is available at 2. But if Griffen is? DAMN good deal.

A front court of Griffen, Bargs and Butler could be very good. (the new Killer B's!)

Of course, Bosh, Oneal and Bargs were supposed to be good. As were Bargs, Bosh, and Marion.

[yungal07]

i think i would do it if they wizards added Mcgee.

Bosh
Hump
#7

For

Butler
Songila
Stevenson
Mcgee
# 2

Nope. McGee is pretty much off limits. You can have Pecherov though.