Realgm's Top 25 most valuable players: vote for #7

deeney0 · Post #21 » by **deeney0** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:01 pm

It does indeed matter what Memphis accepted for him. That's the most recent indicator of his value, and he hasn't done anything extraordinary since then. His value is nowhere near Bosh's. Just as What Al Jefferson and Devin Harris were traded for peg their values (a future Hall of Famer and one of the two best PGs of the past 15 years, respectively). Those are no brainers for me.

twiggy2 · Post #22 » by **twiggy2** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:24 pm

Vote: Deron
Nominate: Joe Johnson

vincecarter4pres · Post #23 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:25 pm

If you want to look at like that, Memphis got a big time prospect big man(Marc Gasol), 2 1st round picks, maximum salary relief, both long term and instant at the time of the trade and a third 1st round pick(Javaris Crittenton, who was re-traded for that pick).
Although the deal is still skewed, it just isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.
I mean Gasol would have almost definitely been a top 10 lotto pick had he been in last year's draft, or any draft for that matter.
Throw in the max salary relief and 3 1st round picks, and really, is it a bad deal for Memphis?

Guy986 · Post #24 » by **Guy986** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:35 pm

Vote Melo
Nominate gasol

Post #25 » by **Mr. E** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:45 pm

Vote: Deron Williams
Nominate: Al Jefferson

Post #26 » by **dockingsched** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:48 pm

deeney0 wrote:It does indeed matter what Memphis accepted for him. That's the most recent indicator of his value, and he hasn't done anything extraordinary since then. His value is nowhere near Bosh's. Just as What Al Jefferson and Devin Harris were traded for peg their values (a future Hall of Famer and one of the two best PGs of the past 15 years, respectively). Those are no brainers for me.

vincecarter4pres · Post #27 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:52 pm

dcash4 wrote:
deeney0 wrote:It does indeed matter what Memphis accepted for him. That's the most recent indicator of his value, and he hasn't done anything extraordinary since then. His value is nowhere near Bosh's. Just as What Al Jefferson and Devin Harris were traded for peg their values (a future Hall of Famer and one of the two best PGs of the past 15 years, respectively). Those are no brainers for me.

I didn't even catch that. :rofl:

soobias · Post #28 » by **soobias** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:01 am

roy

dwill

deviljets7 · Post #29 » by **deviljets7** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:16 am

What's the status of Jefferson's knee?

There's no denying his ability, but I seriously question putting a guy off that major of an injury in the top 10 or 12. Or maybe the rehab's going a lot better than I thought.

If healthy, he's a no doubt top 10-12 in value, but with that injury, I have a hard time putting him over under 27 all-stars such as Harris and Tony Parker.

deeney0 · Post #30 » by **deeney0** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 1:06 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:If you want to look at like that, Memphis got a big time prospect big man(Marc Gasol), 2 1st round picks, maximum salary relief, both long term and instant at the time of the trade and a third 1st round pick(Javaris Crittenton, who was re-traded for that pick).
Although the deal is still skewed, it just isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.
I mean Gasol would have almost definitely been a top 10 lotto pick had he been in last year's draft, or any draft for that matter.
Throw in the max salary relief and 3 1st round picks, and really, is it a bad deal for Memphis?

Marc Gasol was a second round pick who, at the time, hadn't seen the NBA court. The the LAL firsts in that deal were practically 2nds.

There is no doubt Gasol would have been a top 10 pick last year. Top 5. But we're going to be playing this game a while before we get to Tyreke Evans, so I don't think that says very much. What has Gasol done in the last 18 months to increase his value substantially from when he was in Memphis?

cjs55 · Post #31 » by **cjs55** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 1:11 am

Vote: D-Will
Nominate: Griffin.

S3n1le_N3ls0n · Post #32 » by **S3n1le_N3ls0n** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 1:18 am

vote: melo
nominate: gasol

Ticket_Stub · Post #33 » by **Ticket_Stub** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 1:30 am

Vote - Deron Williams
Nominate - Al Jefferson

Flashpoint · Post #34 » by **Flashpoint** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 2:09 am

vote: Roy
nom: Beasley

radrmd216 · Post #35 » by **radrmd216** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 2:59 am

Vote: Roy
Nominate: Mayo

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #36 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 3:07 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Is it just me, or do other people think it's just an absolute joke to vote Derrick Rose before guys like Roy, Deron, Melo, Granger, Duncan and Dirk?

After what Rose did in the playoffs, I'm pretty convinced he will be a star. Duncan is old, I love him, but he's old, same with Dirk. They are at the end of their careers, still stars, but in 3 years, would you rather have Derrick Rose or Tim Duncan?

I still think Melo is overrated and shouldn't even be on this list yet. He stepped up a lot more this year though, but his defense was still awful whenever I watched.

mikero · Post #37 » by **mikero** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 3:14 am

Vote: Roy
Nom: Mayo

CB-Blazer · Post #38 » by **CB-Blazer** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 4:15 am

vote Roy
Nom Harris

JasonStern · Post #39 » by **JasonStern** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 4:50 am

vote: roy
nominate: parker

Effigy · Post #40 » by **Effigy** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:05 am

Vote: Roy

Nominate: Griffin