Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Dame AND Giannis packing their bags

[marson]

Bucks really messed up of trading Jrue.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Not getting Dame and surely not getting Trae (Klutch) Young either. Maybe an outside chance of getting Donavan Mitchell cause Herro would make sense as a replacement for them over there in Cleveland with Garland and Strus.

[eddieheatfan]

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Dame AND Giannis packing their bags

If Giannis was healthy and they loss I could see him asking out, but he won't if they lose because he missed some games.

[AirP.]

Bucks really messed up of trading Jrue.

Yes and no, they not on acquired Lillard but they also blocked Miami from acquiring him who seemed to be a perfect fit for Miami which would have hurt Milwaukee's chances of getting another championship.

Milwaukee did send Jrue to the West to get him out of the conference, but Portland sent him right back to the East to one of the few teams that Jrue could really hurt Milwaukee trying to get back to the finals.

[TroubleS0me]

Giannis hurt = hmm..maybe we should play the Bucks instead of Knicks

[AirP.]

Here's an interesting question about next year. Not if you'll be happy but if Miami brought back the same roster next year would Miami be a better regular season team?

Butler could be the same or a little worse at 35, probably wouldn't miss as many games (less personal leave).
Bam could be the same or possibly a little better offensively.
Herro could be the same or possibly become more efficient.
Rozier could be about the same or possibly a little better with him better game planned in the offense.
Martin should be about the same.
Robinson should be about the same.

Jovic should be better, better integrated into the offense and solidify the starting PF position for Miami.
Jaquez Jr should be better and be better utilized in the offense.

Love may be as good in his limited off the bench road.
Richardson should be healthy and a solid option off the bench.

With those players, that's 10 players all could be in the regular rotation.

To me, this could be the first offseason where Miami didn't have to make any changes and would become a better regular season team and that's not taking in consideration adding a 1st round pick. To become a better playoff team, they'd probably have to add another high-level starter or get some unexpected big jumps from someone like Herro, Jovic or Jaquez Jr.

[IceColdCubano]

Bucks really messed up of trading Jrue.

Yes and no, they not on acquired Lillard but they also blocked Miami from acquiring him who seemed to be a perfect fit for Miami which would have hurt Milwaukee's chances of getting another championship.

Milwaukee did send Jrue to the West to get him out of the conference, but Portland sent him right back to the East to one of the few teams that Jrue could really hurt Milwaukee trying to get back to the finals.

Everyone in the Media was saying what a powerhouse Milwaukee would become with Giannis and Lillard, and forget that half the game requires defense, plus little caveats in the offensive the defense that affected the offense positively. Milwaukee played great defense because Jrue funneled players to the right locations, providing their taller, Giannis, Lopez shot blockers the ability to feast and corral at the baseline, thus elevating their defensive efficiency. Giannis and Lopez are no longer as impactful on that end with Lillard beside them, he just losses his man off the dribble and causes a breakdown at the basket from any angle. Jrue was also a top tier wing defender who forced ungodly amounts of turn overs, providing them with a lot of fast break opportunities which is bread and butter for Giannis, essentially Jrue's play affected both sides, offense and Defense efficiency without even accounting for his own offense as a cog in the perimeter play.

You could say that Jrue along side those players is a far more impactful player than Lillard can ever be as explained above.

As Mentioned above by AirP the affect of him going into a top tier team already at the top Apex of the East doesn't help either any of the teams on the East in-fact lessened their chances. Their hope was he stayed west coast, which didn't pan out.

Jrue would have been absolutely an amazing fit on this team, he is the defender you need to be able to keep Tyler Herro on the Floor and also keep Jimmy fresh. Jrue, Jimmy, Bam trio would have been a sight to see, add in Caleb & Highsmith to close out the game and its clamp fest, turn over, fast break heaven. We would have been a nightmare team in the playoffs for sure, Boston wings would have been having their worse time of their life's in a series against us.

Lillard also fit us as well, because the one thing Miami does, that Milwaukee doesn't do is their entire defensive scheme is predicated on weakside shot blocking and forcing their man to the sidelines and funnel them baseline to use their size for deterrence. Miami plays a more schematical switching defensive style where it puts players in reactive positions constantly which negates the need to have all world size or length at all positions. In other words, Lillard's defensive deficiencies would have a lesser affect on this team than it does in Milwaukee. My only concern is watching other scorers who come here look somewhat lesser than makes me believe we also would not have squeezed the most out of him, since our equal opportunity offense, relegates the top tier scorer to pass more often than necessary and spread the wealth around. Perhaps him also providing more gravity would have also given Jimmy & Bam a bit more freedom in their scoring, which balances that out.

Again we would never know because we didn't get either, and now we need to survive the upcoming Playoffs with 2 Tyler Herro's playing at the 1 and 2. For gods sake I hope Terry gets benched coming back we know Herro wont at this point in time, those 2 guys need to be staggered, when they were both healthy we looked awful defensively.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Giannis hurt = hmm..maybe we should play the Bucks instead of Knicks

We don’t have that choice, it’s the Knicks or Celtics

[IceColdCubano]

Here's an interesting question about next year. Not if you'll be happy but if Miami brought back the same roster next year would Miami be a better regular season team?

Butler could be the same or a little worse at 35, probably wouldn't miss as many games (less personal leave).
Bam could be the same or possibly a little better offensively.
Herro could be the same or possibly become more efficient.
Rozier could be about the same or possibly a little better with him better game planned in the offense.
Martin should be about the same.
Robinson should be about the same.

Jovic should be better, better integrated into the offense and solidify the starting PF position for Miami.
Jaquez Jr should be better and be better utilized in the offense.

Love may be as good in his limited off the bench road.
Richardson should be healthy and a solid option off the bench.

With those players, that's 10 players all could be in the regular rotation.

To me, this could be the first offseason where Miami didn't have to make any changes and would become a better regular season team and that's not taking in consideration adding a 1st round pick. To become a better playoff team, they'd probably have to add another high-level starter or get some unexpected big jumps from someone like Herro, Jovic or Jaquez Jr.

If your bringing back the exact same team, you have failed to be a successful organization in regards to team building. With as many deficiencies that we can point out, and called out by the media and fans you would think that fixing maybe 1 or 2 of them would be to their benefit.

Here is the issue with the above:
1. If the plan is to keep Jimmy and give him an extension, you need to do whatever it takes to take some burden away from him. The current team as is it not a high efficiency offensive team, because your scorers after Jimmy and Bam are not efficient just high volume. There's that, which brings us to number 2.
2. Herro and Rozier are practically mirror images of each other in efficiency with one being taller and bad defender, and one being quicker, but shorter getting zoned at the basket by taller defenders. We cannot have 50 Million dollars there in redundancy, we need to move one of them.
3. The we have a lot of wing depth and are badly needing bigman depth we can actually put out there to atleast not let the game go to shizts when BAM takes a breather, I am not even asking for a positive scorer/just a net neutral guy that defends, rebounds, and doesn't commit turn overs but has size in the 7ft range and not another PF size guy who plays as a Center because he has such slow foot speed. This includes PF back up along side Love, because Love is at a point your bound to lose him for 50% of regular season games due to age and recovery.
4. Duncan has finally elevated himself to a positive role player who provides a lot of good things, which also means he has also garnered value, its a perfect opportunity to sell high, and perhaps combine him with a big contract like Rozier or Herro you could potentially bring back a talented player. With guys like Niko & Jaime coming into their own and providing us with some depth losing Duncan won't be as heartfelt and could potentially bring back a game changer.

Those are just 4 points that could propel the team in a positive direction if the Jimmy build is still viable. Doing anything less than that tells me they are just gonna let this build expire badly into Jimmy's twilight and hope it stays exciting enough to perhaps keep people entertained when Playoffs come around while they suffer immensely during the regular season. People are forgetting that teams like Orlando, Pacers, Knicks, Philly who are coming up with their young stars are just going to keep getting better and have a higher ceiling than us at the moment, and Boston is still Boston. That's 5 teams atop the East, you could potentially say Milwaukee makes another move to stay afloat of the East. At a minimum were not touching anything better than a 6th-7th seed with the same roster. The only team to perhaps regress next year is, Cleveland as they trade Donovan out, and depending on what they get for a return they could potentially still be hanging around.

[AirP.]

Here's an interesting question about next year. Not if you'll be happy but if Miami brought back the same roster next year would Miami be a better regular season team?

Butler could be the same or a little worse at 35, probably wouldn't miss as many games (less personal leave).
Bam could be the same or possibly a little better offensively.
Herro could be the same or possibly become more efficient.
Rozier could be about the same or possibly a little better with him better game planned in the offense.
Martin should be about the same.
Robinson should be about the same.

Jovic should be better, better integrated into the offense and solidify the starting PF position for Miami.
Jaquez Jr should be better and be better utilized in the offense.

Love may be as good in his limited off the bench road.
Richardson should be healthy and a solid option off the bench.

With those players, that's 10 players all could be in the regular rotation.

To me, this could be the first offseason where Miami didn't have to make any changes and would become a better regular season team and that's not taking in consideration adding a 1st round pick. To become a better playoff team, they'd probably have to add another high-level starter or get some unexpected big jumps from someone like Herro, Jovic or Jaquez Jr.

If your bringing back the exact same team, you have failed to be a successful organization in regards to team building. With as many deficiencies that we can point out, and called out by the media and fans you would think that fixing maybe 1 or 2 of them would be to their benefit.

Spoiler:

Here is the issue with the above:
1. If the plan is to keep Jimmy and give him an extension, you need to do whatever it takes to take some burden away from him. The current team as is it not a high efficiency offensive team, because your scorers after Jimmy and Bam are not efficient just high volume. There's that, which brings us to number 2.
2. Herro and Rozier are practically mirror images of each other in efficiency with one being taller and bad defender, and one being quicker, but shorter getting zoned at the basket by taller defenders. We cannot have 50 Million dollars there in redundancy, we need to move one of them.
3. The we have a lot of wing depth and are badly needing bigman depth we can actually put out there to atleast not let the game go to shizts when BAM takes a breather, I am not even asking for a positive scorer/just a net neutral guy that defends, rebounds, and doesn't commit turn overs but has size in the 7ft range and not another PF size guy who plays as a Center because he has such slow foot speed. This includes PF back up along side Love, because Love is at a point your bound to lose him for 50% of regular season games due to age and recovery.
4. Duncan has finally elevated himself to a positive role player who provides a lot of good things, which also means he has also garnered value, its a perfect opportunity to sell high, and perhaps combine him with a big contract like Rozier or Herro you could potentially bring back a talented player. With guys like Niko & Jaime coming into their own and providing us with some depth losing Duncan won't be as heartfelt and could potentially bring back a game changer.

Those are just 4 points that could propel the team in a positive direction if the Jimmy build is still viable. Doing anything less than that tells me they are just gonna let this build expire badly into Jimmy's twilight and hope it stays exciting enough to perhaps keep people entertained when Playoffs come around while they suffer immensely during the regular season. People are forgetting that teams like Orlando, Pacers, Knicks, Philly who are coming up with their young stars are just going to keep getting better and have a higher ceiling than us at the moment, and Boston is still Boston. That's 5 teams atop the East, you could potentially say Milwaukee makes another move to stay afloat of the East. At a minimum were not touching anything better than a 6th-7th seed with the same roster. The only team to perhaps regress next year is, Cleveland as they trade Donovan out, and depending on what they get for a return they could potentially still be hanging around.

You missed my point...

Not if you'll be happy but if Miami brought back the same roster next year would Miami be a better regular season team?

This would possibly be the first offseason with Butler in Miami that the team could be better than they were the previous season, having a starting PF with size who isn't past their prime is a big improvement. The only other season I thought they might be better was with finally expecting Oladipo to be healthy which was a risk in itself.

Of course the team needs to be upgraded to have a better chance of winning a title which I also addressed at the bottom of my post of...

To become a better playoff team, they'd probably have to add another high-level starter or get some unexpected big jumps from someone like Herro, Jovic or Jaquez Jr.

But to address some of what you posted, right now, until another top level offensive star is acquired or somehow develops, part time Jimmy Butler is their only hope of having a chance of having the best player in a playoff series and unless that changes Miami has to continue to build with him because they're not going to tank enough to get a good shot at a top 3 pick, not with Bam on still on the roster.

[twix2500]

Depending on the extension talk, the Heat should consider trading Jimmy to the Lakers. And I am seeing the Heat giving the ball to Jovic and Jaquez more in go too roles as a sign that the Heat are preparing. If Jaquez and/or Jovic are not traded this summer I can see Jovic and Jaquez being used as legit go too players next season. And its another reason why its important that Jaquez and Jovic get playoffs experience

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[DayofMourning]

Depending on the extension talk, the Heat should consider trading Jimmy to the Lakers. And I am seeing the Heat giving the ball to Jovic and Jaquez more in go too roles as a sign that the Heat are preparing. If Jaquez and/or Jovic are not traded this summer I can see Jovic and Jaquez being used as legit go too players next season. And its another reason why its important that Jaquez and Jovic get playoffs experience

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Jimmys best contributions have been his confidence and swagger. If we get playoff Jimmy this playoffs then its tough to see us moving on.

If we dont get playoff Jimmy, I cannot understand paying him crazy money. Our young guys will have to carry the team.

[IceColdCubano]

Depending on the extension talk, the Heat should consider trading Jimmy to the Lakers. And I am seeing the Heat giving the ball to Jovic and Jaquez more in go too roles as a sign that the Heat are preparing. If Jaquez and/or Jovic are not traded this summer I can see Jovic and Jaquez being used as legit go too players next season. And its another reason why its important that Jaquez and Jovic get playoffs experience

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Jimmys best contributions have been his confidence and swagger. If we get playoff Jimmy this playoffs then its tough to see us moving on.

If we dont get playoff Jimmy, I cannot understand paying him crazy money. Our young guys will have to carry the team.

Whatever Scenerio occurs it has a beneficial affect, it Jimmy turns into Himmy once again and were standing in the ECF losing in a grilling 7 game series to the Celtics, the FO will think the Jimmy build just needs to be tweaked a bit more and continue down that path. If we get demolished in a first round series, they could still potentially go with a Jimmy build but they could be more aggressive in the free agency market while also not giving him such a massive raise in the extension.

[IceColdCubano]

It makes all the sense in the world them tanking to lose the 2nd seed. Starting a first round series against either Miami or Philly without Giannis is essentially losing the series, Miami or Philly smells blood taking the first two games, now your rushing him back in an Away game being down 0-2 with a hobbled Giannis.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Mitchell, Dame, and Trae have been mentioned but a dark horse is Fox, I’ll personally be praying on the Kings downfall tonight. Could also lead to Monk wanting to join and willingly play the 6th man role.

Dont care about Foxs agent, we’d be at the top of his list and you don’t miss out on elite talent like that over petty **** that happened a decade ago.

Stay tuned.

[Bmaster]

Here's an interesting question about next year. Not if you'll be happy but if Miami brought back the same roster next year would Miami be a better regular season team?

Butler could be the same or a little worse at 35, probably wouldn't miss as many games (less personal leave).
Bam could be the same or possibly a little better offensively.
Herro could be the same or possibly become more efficient.
Rozier could be about the same or possibly a little better with him better game planned in the offense.
Martin should be about the same.
Robinson should be about the same.

Jovic should be better, better integrated into the offense and solidify the starting PF position for Miami.
Jaquez Jr should be better and be better utilized in the offense.

Love may be as good in his limited off the bench road.
Richardson should be healthy and a solid option off the bench.

With those players, that's 10 players all could be in the regular rotation.

To me, this could be the first offseason where Miami didn't have to make any changes and would become a better regular season team and that's not taking in consideration adding a 1st round pick. To become a better playoff team, they'd probably have to add another high-level starter or get some unexpected big jumps from someone like Herro, Jovic or Jaquez Jr.

I think it depends on how many games Jimmy Butler plays next season. If it is another season like this season where we are 8th or 7th seed because Butler misses a bunch or doesn't try as hard then rather find a replacement player or players. I do think Jovic and Jaquez have improved a lot this year.