Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[MartyConlonJr]

I was curious what people thought of Dejounte Murray vs Tyler Herro. Without looking at it, and given Murray played under Popovich and led the league in steals one year, I assumed he was superior because he played both ends. I assumed Herro may fit us better because of shooting around Bam and Jimmy.

Checking the advanced stats, he is a worse defender than Herro(?). Though advanced stats struggle to explain defense. And then on offense, their stats are very very similar. So would it be an upgrade?

[Pokuokic]

I was curious what people thought of Dejounte Murray vs Tyler Herro. Without looking at it, and given Murray played under Popovich and led the league in steals one year, I assumed he was superior because he played both ends. I assumed Herro may fit us better because of shooting around Bam and Jimmy.

Checking the advanced stats, he is a worse defender than Herro(?). Though advanced stats struggle to explain defense. And then on offense, their stats are very very similar. So would it be an upgrade?

Could he be a worse defender (according to stats) cause he actually guarding the other teams best player? Atlantas overall defense is as bad as it gets also.

[AirP.]

I'm not a fan of LaVine but if you can get MORE it may be a way to strengthen the team now and in the future. I wouldn't swap Herro and his contract for LaVine straight up because of the injury history and contract size but I'm sure that I could find a package or two that would make me think about a swap that includes those 2 in them.

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[SerialChiller]

I was curious what people thought of Dejounte Murray vs Tyler Herro. Without looking at it, and given Murray played under Popovich and led the league in steals one year, I assumed he was superior because he played both ends. I assumed Herro may fit us better because of shooting around Bam and Jimmy.

Checking the advanced stats, he is a worse defender than Herro(?). Though advanced stats struggle to explain defense. And then on offense, their stats are very very similar. So would it be an upgrade?

I never bother with those stats. I guarantee he's a much better defender, I've seen him frustrate prime Harden. It's just being in Atl with their Offense heavy no defense approach and playing next to Trae that hurts his metrics imo.

[AirP.]

Dejounte Murray defense? I think he would do well on a defensive minded team. At the very least you can see that he'll give effort and can try to get physical on defense. These videos are from a couple years ago, but I'm guessing with Miami you'd see this type of defense again.

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[SerialChiller]

One weird thing I pretty much only ever noticed with Murray and George Hill. They both got some weird looking shoulder bone structure haha.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Very suprised some of you are willing to trade Herro For Murray.

Herro is the better player IMO, and he's improving while Murray is a finished product.

My only intrest in Murray is if we can get him without losing Herro/JJJ/Jovic.

We should'nt lose any of them for a PG that isn't even top 10 at his position, maybe even not top 20.

Herro is literally only a better shooter

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dejounte Murray defense? I think he would do well on a defensive minded team. At the very least you can see that he'll give effort and can try to get physical on defense. These videos are from a couple years ago, but I'm guessing with Miami you'd see this type of defense again.

Watch on YouTube

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The dude is an all nba defender and has made an all star team, Herro will never sniff an all defensive team and has yet to come close to being an all star.

Guys, please watch some basketball outside of the Heat lol I promise it will teach you some things.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[marson]

We'll have to see. But as of the moment, it seems like the team plays well when Herro is out. If we're not trading him then at least make him the 6th man to balance the shot taken by the starters especially when Jimmy is back.

Too many facts to support this claim and I'm one of the biggest Herro supporters here.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I was hyped about getting Murray but really don’t think we are getting Murray. I don’t trust the Hawks dealing in good faith with us and I certainly don’t like the fact that he’s represented by Klutch and the Lakers wanting him.

Can we offer a great package for him? Absolutely. Problem is if it’s between Reaves and Duncan they are choosing Reaves. If it’s between free agent Martin or Hachimura they would probably choose Hachimura.

Can we offer more picks? Yes. In this instance they seem to want the young cost controlled talent on value deals. I don’t think Herro is going to get offered for Murray. Riley probably looks at that as a lateral move.

[MettaWorldPanda]

On the other hand Riley has a relationship with Mitch Kupchak over in Charlotte. Working out something for Rozier could be very high on the possibility list.

[SerialChiller]

On the other hand Riley has a relationship with Mitch Kupchak over in Charlotte. Working out something for Rozier could be very high on the possibility list.

Murray's contract is kinda tricky because it's like 18M this year I think but in like 4 years hits 31M it's really backend loaded. I think Charlotte could actually use Herro and he fits Balls timeline and in the backcourt with him, Terry fits ours since we still trying to win with Butler and we need a PG. He's more of one than Murray. I'm a fan of the Rozier move, that's what I'd love to see happen for Herro and whatever else within reason but it works straight up salary wise. He's slightly cheaper and 1 less year too, we need some cap relief in the future.

[MettaWorldPanda]

On the other hand Riley has a relationship with Mitch Kupchak over in Charlotte. Working out something for Rozier could be very high on the possibility list.

Murray's contract is kinda tricky because it's like 18M this year I think but in like 4 years hits 31M it's really backend loaded. I think Charlotte could actually use Herro and he fits Balls timeline and in the backcourt with him, Terry fits ours since we still trying to win with Butler and we need a PG. He's more of one than Murray. I'm a fan of the Rozier move, that's what I'd love to see happen for Herro and whatever else within reason but it works straight up salary wise. He's slightly cheaper and 1 less year too, we need some cap relief in the future.

Let’s make a deal Mitch

[MettaWorldPanda]

Curious if Hornets do ask for Herro and we expand the pieces. We worked out Nick Smith Jr during the draft and would be a perfect young piece to get back with Rozier.

[SerialChiller]

Curious if Hornets do ask for Herro and we expand the pieces. We worked out Nick Smith Jr during the draft and would be a perfect young piece to get back with Rozier.

I know you'd be on board with finding a way to get him and PJ Washington together lol. I wonder what that would take. Probably no way to make that work within reason. Think PJ on the books for something like 15M this year?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Curious if Hornets do ask for Herro and we expand the pieces. We worked out Nick Smith Jr during the draft and would be a perfect young piece to get back with Rozier.

I know you'd be on board with finding a way to get him and PJ Washington together lol. I wonder what that would take. Think PJ on the books for something like 15M this year?

It’s a lot more likely they reunite in Charlotte than they do here unfortunately. He just signed his long term deal. It’s either Washington or Rozier due to the salary implications.

[SerialChiller]

Curious if Hornets do ask for Herro and we expand the pieces. We worked out Nick Smith Jr during the draft and would be a perfect young piece to get back with Rozier.

I know you'd be on board with finding a way to get him and PJ Washington together lol. I wonder what that would take. Think PJ on the books for something like 15M this year?

It’s a lot more likely they reunite in Charlotte than they do here unfortunately. He just signed his long term deal. It’s either Washington or Rozier due to the salary implications.

Yeah *sigh*....last year I wanted Washington, but this year the hole is at PG not so much PF, Rozier is my personal target I'm really hoping we move on.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Herro
Lowry
Smith(contract dump)
2027 pick swap
2028 1st

to Hornets for

PG Terry Rozier
PG/SG Nick Smith Jr
SF Gordon Hayward

We give up Herro but we get Rozier to be our new PG. Nick Smith Jr is a young guard we can develop who we liked during the draft process. Gordon Hayward is a great piece to have for a playoff run. Duncan gets to start and you have a savage bench rotation of Hayward, JJJ, and Martin wrecking havoc.

C Bam C K Love C T Bryant C O Rob
PF Jovic PF Hayward PF HH
SF Butler SF Martin SF Swider
SG Robinson SG JJJ
PG Rozier PG J Rich PG/SG Nick Smith Jr

[MorbidHEAT]

I didn’t see the last game, but I noticed there was no point guard in the starting lineup. I’m assuming it was Jaime handling the ball, but I’d be more interested to learn that it was Jovic?