**eddieheatfan's Official Offseason/Trades/FA Thread**

[Hallstar]

I for one am excited about bringing this whole team back with a few low key additions. Riley mentioned the possibility of working the trade market so I'm going to guess that Josh Richardson and our 1st rd pick could be in play. Not sure what that could really garner us aside from maybe a Wilson Chandler or Tobias Harris type.

“Even if we brought all of these guys back and the 14th pick (and a free agent) you have to ask yourself, ‘Can we get there?’ I don’t know how this summer is going to work out. You don’t have to go whale hunting. I think you can acquire key players via trade.”

winslow is gone and possibly mccrap too

Riley says Winslow is not going anywhere. I believe him. McBob on the other hand will be easier to deal since he is on the final year of his contract but we will have to attach our first round pick or Josh Richardson with him.

That means he's likely gone. I go by what Riley does, never what he says.

We always "like people in our range", then we're trying to move up on draft night.

It's the same merry go round. Whoever we draft, we would have had rated in the top 10

[leoshes]

Rich and Reed seem like the likely replaced,

Why Rich, papi? Seems like Spo/Heat love him

Good asset, we're woodshed with combo guards. Need front court players

Opportunist in me says he's the low-hanging stalactite

Wanted him to become a good back-up 3 but the pork manifest destiny hadn't manifested. Don't need to have him replaced but he looks like one of our best shots to improve

Then get rid of Winslow who was sucking ass, & let Rich play SF.

[islandHEAT]

The thing about Justice is that he has been injured and even though at this point in time he hasn't been what we expected when we drafted him, he isn't horrible and he is cheap. That being said, I don't believe a word that Pat says when it comes to moves and I don't think anyone would expect him to publicly undervalue an asset.

[Bishop45]

Why Rich, papi? Seems like Spo/Heat love him

Good asset, we're woodshed with combo guards. Need front court players

Opportunist in me says he's the low-hanging stalactite

Wanted him to become a good back-up 3 but the pork manifest destiny hadn't manifested. Don't need to have him replaced but he looks like one of our best shots to improve

Then get rid of Winslow who was sucking ass, & let Rich play SF.

Was injured, better fit at his position (s) with more upside. If you can find real good value for Winslow then I'd commend and listen.

On the surface tho, I'd rather give him the opportunity to display his potential at current price than Rich (If I had to choose)

Saying this as an unbiased Winslow fan btw

[leoshes]

Good asset, we're woodshed with combo guards. Need front court players

Opportunist in me says he's the low-hanging stalactite

Wanted him to become a good back-up 3 but the pork manifest destiny hadn't manifested. Don't need to have him replaced but he looks like one of our best shots to improve

Then get rid of Winslow who was sucking ass, & let Rich play SF.

Was injured, better fit at his position (s) with more upside. If you can find real good value for Winslow then I'd commend and listen.

On the surface tho, I'd rather give him the opportunity to display his potential at current price than Rich (If I had to choose)

Saying this as an unbiased Winslow fan btw

If we cant package either of them for a star i would rather keep both. My point is that Rich fits better with what we have. If we keep Dragic, Dion, JJ, & Whiteside i rather have Rich & his 3, & D, then Winslows ball dominance. Start Rich, & have Winslow off the bench for his ball handling with TJ, & Ellington. I like JJ as a starter, but not with someone like Winslow next to him. & since we dont have a true back up PG, Winslows ball handling would fit better off the bench.

Saying all that i still hope that Pat somehow trades our pick, Bob, & Winslow for a boarderline star at SF/PF. But if he wishes to wait till next FEB to 1st see what Winslow, & our pick brings, i'd be cool with that as well.

[Bishop45]

Then get rid of Winslow who was sucking ass, & let Rich play SF.

Was injured, better fit at his position (s) with more upside. If you can find real good value for Winslow then I'd commend and listen.

On the surface tho, I'd rather give him the opportunity to display his potential at current price than Rich (If I had to choose)

Saying this as an unbiased Winslow fan btw

If we cant package either of them for a star i would rather keep both. My point is that Rich fits better with what we have. If we keep Dragic, Dion, JJ, & Whiteside i rather have Rich & his 3, & D, then Winslows ball dominance. Start Rich, & have Winslow off the bench for his ball handling with TJ, & Ellington. I like JJ as a starter, but not with someone like Winslow next to him. & since we dont have a true back up PG, Winslows ball handling would fit better off the bench.

Saying all that i still hope that Pat somehow trades our pick, Bob, & Winslow for a boarderline star at SF/PF. But if he wishes to wait till next FEB to 1st see what Winslow, & our pick brings, i'd be cool with that as well.

Winslow was ball dominant by necessity, he was a cordial and important bench player, playing off the ball last season. Don't see a reason why he couldn't do it this year if he returned when everyone was healthy. Rich wasn't healthy and was barely a factor while we were hitting our stride, you're assuming he'd be a better fit. I'd be open to whatever gets us the best return but IMO it'd be best to get something for Rich instead of trying to plug him somewhere when he doesn't have a definite position off the bench or starting unit but JMO

[leoshes]

Was injured, better fit at his position (s) with more upside. If you can find real good value for Winslow then I'd commend and listen.

On the surface tho, I'd rather give him the opportunity to display his potential at current price than Rich (If I had to choose)

Saying this as an unbiased Winslow fan btw

If we cant package either of them for a star i would rather keep both. My point is that Rich fits better with what we have. If we keep Dragic, Dion, JJ, & Whiteside i rather have Rich & his 3, & D, then Winslows ball dominance. Start Rich, & have Winslow off the bench for his ball handling with TJ, & Ellington. I like JJ as a starter, but not with someone like Winslow next to him. & since we dont have a true back up PG, Winslows ball handling would fit better off the bench.

Saying all that i still hope that Pat somehow trades our pick, Bob, & Winslow for a boarderline star at SF/PF. But if he wishes to wait till next FEB to 1st see what Winslow, & our pick brings, i'd be cool with that as well.

Winslow was ball dominant by necessity, he was a cordial and important bench player, playing off the ball last season. Don't see a reason why he couldn't do it this year if he returned when everyone was healthy. Rich wasn't healthy and was barely a factor while we were hitting our stride, you're assuming he'd be a better fit. I'd be open to whatever gets us the best return but IMO it'd be best to get something for Rich instead of trying to plug him somewhere when he doesn't have a definite position off the bench or starting unit but JMO

At the end of the year Rich hit his stride. Was defending like a beast, shooting the 3 very well, & was driving to the hole more then he did all year. You put Winslow instead & you will get doubled at C, or PG all game long.They will leave him open at the corners like they did when he was playing. + Rich can play 1/2/3. While Winslow is best at PF, while only being 6'5/6'6 at best with short arms, & not much vert. Untill Winslow doesnt get an outside shot he will be a liability on offence. If he at least had a wingspan like Wade, or the vert of Wade then sure, but he doesnt have any of that. For now i would use him off the bench for ball handling, defense, & energy. Play him next to Ellington, & Babbit so his lack of shooting could be coverd.

[Bishop45]

If we cant package either of them for a star i would rather keep both. My point is that Rich fits better with what we have. If we keep Dragic, Dion, JJ, & Whiteside i rather have Rich & his 3, & D, then Winslows ball dominance. Start Rich, & have Winslow off the bench for his ball handling with TJ, & Ellington. I like JJ as a starter, but not with someone like Winslow next to him. & since we dont have a true back up PG, Winslows ball handling would fit better off the bench.

Saying all that i still hope that Pat somehow trades our pick, Bob, & Winslow for a boarderline star at SF/PF. But if he wishes to wait till next FEB to 1st see what Winslow, & our pick brings, i'd be cool with that as well.

Winslow was ball dominant by necessity, he was a cordial and important bench player, playing off the ball last season. Don't see a reason why he couldn't do it this year if he returned when everyone was healthy. Rich wasn't healthy and was barely a factor while we were hitting our stride, you're assuming he'd be a better fit. I'd be open to whatever gets us the best return but IMO it'd be best to get something for Rich instead of trying to plug him somewhere when he doesn't have a definite position off the bench or starting unit but JMO

At the end of the year Rich hit his stride. Was defending like a beast, shooting the 3 very well, & was driving to the hole more then he did all year. You put Winslow instead & you will get doubled at C, or PG all game long.They will leave him open at the corners like they did when he was playing. + Rich can play 1/2/3. While Winslow is best at PF, while only being 6'5/6'6 at best with short arms, & not much vert. Untill Winslow doesnt get an outside shot he will be a liability on offence. If he at least had a wingspan like Wade, or the vert of Wade then sure, but he doesnt have any of that. For now i would use him off the bench for ball handling, defense, & energy. Play him next to Ellington, & Babbit so his lack of shooting could be coverd.

I can't, and not trying to convince you otherwise so alright. If you wanted to know why I'd trade Rich, I wrote it somewhere in one of these quotes

[leoshes]

Winslow was ball dominant by necessity, he was a cordial and important bench player, playing off the ball last season. Don't see a reason why he couldn't do it this year if he returned when everyone was healthy. Rich wasn't healthy and was barely a factor while we were hitting our stride, you're assuming he'd be a better fit. I'd be open to whatever gets us the best return but IMO it'd be best to get something for Rich instead of trying to plug him somewhere when he doesn't have a definite position off the bench or starting unit but JMO

At the end of the year Rich hit his stride. Was defending like a beast, shooting the 3 very well, & was driving to the hole more then he did all year. You put Winslow instead & you will get doubled at C, or PG all game long.They will leave him open at the corners like they did when he was playing. + Rich can play 1/2/3. While Winslow is best at PF, while only being 6'5/6'6 at best with short arms, & not much vert. Untill Winslow doesnt get an outside shot he will be a liability on offence. If he at least had a wingspan like Wade, or the vert of Wade then sure, but he doesnt have any of that. For now i would use him off the bench for ball handling, defense, & energy. Play him next to Ellington, & Babbit so his lack of shooting could be coverd.

I can't, and not trying to convince you otherwise so alright. If you wanted to know why I'd trade Rich, I wrote it somewhere in one of these quotes

The only reason i might want to trade him over Winslow would only be cause we will need to resign Rich before resigning Winslow. & it would all depend on how much he will want. Say around FEB trade Rich, TJ (cause of the spike in price) & Bobs expiering contract. But when it comes to fit i just see Rich fiting in easier into what we have in place then Winslow.

[Hallstar]

I also don't get the "ball dominant" critique against players like we aren't watching the playoffs and realise you need players who can generate shots out of nowhere.

You can be ball dominant and efficient. We need those players because games that matter(i.e. playoffs) get ugly.

The bulk of our roster is swappable with Boston minus Thomas or the Hawks. Teams built like that tend to fall apart when it matters.

I'm far from a huge Dion fan, but those players(and better than him) are necessary.

[TMU]

Iggie, if you have time, you gotta make a Whale-mion dude.

[HEATVols865]

Some of you fools wanting J-Rich traded...probably the same ones who wanted Dragic traded because you said he was garbage.

Wrong! Wrong! GTFOH with that crazy talk.

Trade TJ and his albatross contract


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[Burnie Riley]

Can we get some ideas for the next under the radar players that can emerge in Heat culture. I was looking through the list of all the free agents and it was giving me a headache.

So far I believe Sullinger will show Riley he is serious and lose weight and sign for cheap. He can be an above average player and if he gets in Heat shape who knows what his ceiling is.

I've been looking at Rudy Carlton Gay's stats and if he can play team ball, which should be infectious with this group, Spo might help him reach the level people believed he could. A guy that can average 18 pts, 6 reb, a few assists and 1+ steals would be good production from the SF position and I believe Spo might get more out of him as a stretch 4. He should be affordable but not cheap doe...

Stretching McBob would be a smart move. Get an extra 4 million in capspace this summer and open a roster spot. Give that roster spot to Christian Wood, he looked like he could become a beast in last year's summer league. Elite length for a PF. Heat probably won't sign him doe, as he has had a rep in the past for being lazy. This is a Whiteside situation on a smaller scale.

[pseudonym28]

Pg Goran Dragic/Patty Mills/Frank Mason
Sg Dion Waiters/Tyler Johnson/Rodney Mcgruder
Sf Bojan Bogdanovic/Justise Winslow/Josh Richardson
Pf James Johnson/Tj Leaf/Okaro White
C Hassan Whiteside/Willie Reed/Josh McRoberts

[contract]

"I hope that Dion and James and the rest of our free agents like it here enough that we're going to be fair with them and they're going to be fair with us." --Pat Riley

To Pat "fair" means below market value.

[Chalm Down]

"I hope that Dion and James and the rest of our free agents like it here enough that we're going to be fair with them and they're going to be fair with us." --Pat Riley

To Pat "fair" means below market value.

He did pay Goran, Hassan and TJ market value...I wonder if he would call those fair though lol

[Heatle]

Pg Goran Dragic/Patty Mills/Frank Mason
Sg Dion Waiters/Tyler Johnson/Rodney Mcgruder
Sf Bojan Bogdanovic/Justise Winslow/Josh Richardson
Pf James Johnson/Tj Leaf/Okaro White
C Hassan Whiteside/Willie Reed/Josh McRoberts

There won't be enough cap space for that

[Bishop45]

Can we get some ideas for the next under the radar players that can emerge in Heat culture. I was looking through the list of all the free agents and it was giving me a headache.

So far I believe Sullinger will show Riley he is serious and lose weight and sign for cheap. He can be an above average player and if he gets in Heat shape who knows what his ceiling is.

I've been looking at Rudy Carlton Gay's stats and if he can play team ball, which should be infectious with this group, Spo might help him reach the level people believed he could. A guy that can average 18 pts, 6 reb, a few assists and 1+ steals would be good production from the SF position and I believe Spo might get more out of him as a stretch 4. He should be affordable but not cheap doe...

Stretching McBob would be a smart move. Get an extra 4 million in capspace this summer and open a roster spot. Give that roster spot to Christian Wood, he looked like he could become a beast in last year's summer league. Elite length for a PF. Heat probably won't sign him doe, as he has had a rep in the past for being lazy. This is a Whiteside situation on a smaller scale.

Rudy toody's coming off his best season but older with kinda serious injury, every reason for him not to opt out of 14 bitty's but optimistic.

Til then we can enjoy this meme

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[KingDavid]

Some of you fools wanting J-Rich traded...probably the same ones who wanted Dragic traded because you said he was garbage.

Wrong! Wrong! GTFOH with that crazy talk.

Trade TJ and his albatross contract


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Naaahhh man. We're stuck with tj. No team is going to pick that up without assets. Just going to have to ride it out.

[HEATVols865]

How are some here saying we should stretch McBob and release Bosh. Wouldn't he have to be stretched even though its medical? Thought only one player per roster could be stretched.


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