greg4012 wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:greg4012 wrote:
Still see it as a very movable contract and a 1st rd pick is about market value for someone like Rozier. I don't get the urge to pinpoint this as some sort of shortcoming of management when everyone on this board would have traded all future Heat FRPs ten times over for super mid players like PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, DFS, Royce O'Neale, Tyus Jones, etc.
I definitely expect at least one of Herro or Rozier to be moved this offseason. Rozier may be the more marketable asset.
FRP's, Quality of the FRP's, and the amount of FRP's are subjective to the team receiving the player and their needs. Miami will send out Multiple FRP's for future when they have zero back up options and nothing else of hope to acquire moving forward. Miami in this case were surely lacking offensive fire power and upgrade in age at their PG rotation, therefore they paid the price they felt they needed to get a player of need which resulted in giving up 30M dollar expiring, valuable almost an FRP of value, and an additional FRP. So in essence Miami gave up 2 FRP's of value to get Rozier. Was he worth it, so far not so much but that is a tale of injuries more so than anything else, he also has taking a longer time than expected to feel comfortable in our offense. He is also a terrible fit next to Tyler Herro in the starting roles so there's that. We can say as currently he is undefined whether this trade was successful or not, his presence and our inability to have a working offensive system with him included tells me that I would point to this being a failure for the time being in my opinion I know those differ around here.
In turn selling on Rozier, and expecting an FRP in return means that the team in question on the receiving end must have a just as a dire need for him as we did this year, for there to be that sort of exchange. He could also just be more of a asset himself sent to fill salary with nothing but salary at a position of need returning, the chances of Miami recouping that
FRP or FRP plus expiring contract in value for him are probably very low in to happen unless again that team is in a position like us. This would come down to a contender whom, need an additional scorer to improve upon a weakness, so its a very nitch market we would need to pinpoint. His contract while very movable as many have said doesn't necessarily translate to positive return jus easy to find a partner to exchange with, not value determined.
How did Miami give up 2 FRPs for Rozier? I don't subscribe to that logic, at all. That's pure narrative-influenced perspective communicated to serve a deeper festering feeling of despair. This is the same board that swore Lowry's expiring was of almost no value and hardly an asset to be counted in any prospective trade. Now that it was part of a trade, trading the expiring is being painted as a fumbled asset LOL.
Rinse, wash, repeat with some on here.
That's why I said at the end
"FRP or FRP plus expiring" for reference, key point on the OR didn't imply a complete 2 FRP's. I wasn't peddling the Lowry expiring as worthless in any previous post either, I always said due to its size it had lots of value specially in a season where lots of changes were coming to the CAP rules and stipulations. Perhaps this offseason when teams are all under the 1st Apron his Expiring would not net as much, but earlier when teams were doing everything possible to shed salary there was definite value there, and a large chunk of it at $30M.
There's no feeling of despair here, with me at least, just telling it how it is, and I fully understand the hurdles we will need to cross to get away from our issues. Painting it with a pretty brush isn't going to do any good, If you don't agree with it that's fine and good that's why were here putting our ideas and opinions for people to criticize/critic like you just did. Also I don't remember saying that trading Lowry's expiring was a fumbled asset, I said to date the payoff has not been met with Terry not being healthy, and not being good when he was outside of a few games. There's a lot still here that needs to happen for us to say this was a positive trade.
My take is your projecting at my response a bit here, because perhaps I didn't hit the nail on the head or center mass but its a too close for comfort. In the end the Miami Heat front office did what they thought was right at the time like they done in the past many times, were pretty good here about calling them out after their decisions don't pan out. With this one specifically there still time for it to turn around, and I will gladly still be posting here in the near future waiting for your I told you so.
