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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright 

Post#1441 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:19 pm

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No worries. This is a team building orgy in the VIP room. Boston better watch out for game 2…
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Yo Jovic is that kid thats never been clubbing before, dude looked so out of place wearing sweats and shoot around jacket. Dude has no semblance Miami vibe whatsoever...dude needs a wardrobe upgrade and some nights out in south beach with Herro & Jaime, them dudes came prepared for a night out in the town for sure.

That place is a Bistro club Lounge. Probably just went out for dinner. Don't see to it as any big deal.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright 

Post#1442 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:45 pm

Another interesting name to ponder next year when talking about dealing chit contracts for one another and players looking for change of sceneries is Zach LaVine. Clearly he wants out of Chicago and opted for a foot surgery to remove a loose fragment. Supposed to be healthy by the start of camp. After Herro just torched the Bulls in the play in you would have to think they would be ecstatic to get Herro in any sort of LaVine trade even if it means taking on more money in the deal like let's say Duncan Robinson. LaVine can then either stay here or be flipped to a third team for let's say Brandon Ingram or possibly even Donavan Mitchell. That could be one of the more interesting trade destinations for Herro/Robinson duo if we are looking to shake things up. On another side note LaVine heading to the Cavs in any Mitchell deal sends him to play in the backcourt with another Klutch client in Darius Garland.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright 

Post#1443 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:56 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Another interesting name to ponder next year when talking about dealing chit contracts for one another and players looking for change of sceneries is Zach LaVine. Clearly he wants out of Chicago and opted for a foot surgery to remove a loose fragment. Supposed to be healthy by the start of camp. After Herro just torched the Bulls in the play in you would have to think they would be ecstatic to get Herro in any sort of LaVine trade even if it means taking on more money in the deal like let's say Duncan Robinson. LaVine can then either stay here or be flipped to a third team for let's say Brandon Ingram or possibly even Donavan Mitchell. That could be one of the more interesting trade destinations for Herro/Robinson duo if we are looking to shake things up. On another side note LaVine heading to the Cavs in any Mitchell deal sends him to play in the backcourt with another Klutch client in Darius Garland.


3 team trade landing us Mitchell and Lavine to Cleveland is the way.

Pat Riley can NOT fumble this opportunity this summer, he has to get Mitchell
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright 

Post#1444 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:23 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Another interesting name to ponder next year when talking about dealing chit contracts for one another and players looking for change of sceneries is Zach LaVine. Clearly he wants out of Chicago and opted for a foot surgery to remove a loose fragment. Supposed to be healthy by the start of camp. After Herro just torched the Bulls in the play in you would have to think they would be ecstatic to get Herro in any sort of LaVine trade even if it means taking on more money in the deal like let's say Duncan Robinson. LaVine can then either stay here or be flipped to a third team for let's say Brandon Ingram or possibly even Donavan Mitchell. That could be one of the more interesting trade destinations for Herro/Robinson duo if we are looking to shake things up. On another side note LaVine heading to the Cavs in any Mitchell deal sends him to play in the backcourt with another Klutch client in Darius Garland.


3 team trade landing us Mitchell and Lavine to Cleveland is the way.

Pat Riley can NOT fumble this opportunity this summer, he has to get Mitchell


I see Pat lubing his hands with Crisco oil right now waiting to fumble this mayorly. If it was up to Pat Riley we would of had, Durant, Lillard or another superstar here already. The second part of the equation is logistical, Asset economy and having a GM want to accept those deals. It always has to make sense for both sides, and negotiations don't always go as expected. Not giving him a pass just saying there's a bit more here than just intent of wanting something to happen, both sides have to agree to said exchange no matter how bad we want it. Our owner has been cheap on many of occasions and going over tax brackets is the boogie man in our FO if it is not a clear winner were building they won't take chances on paying ridiculous taxes.

This organization treats their team payroll economy like a corporation does on profits, their not like other teams and owners who treat their organization for the purpose of entertainment willing to risk it all for the spectacular. Even so weve been very successfully ran, its also why they've incorporated this undrafted, training program to bypass the saturation of high salaried role players boosting their payroll trying to squeeze the most out of the remaining salary on star level players.

The changes to the repeater tax has also change their mantra on picks as well, they did not care for young players before and expected to get vets to sign if they just had the right team. These days vets are more inclined to sign on organizations that require less structure and are more relaxed. Only those whom want to go 100% winning mentality until the last minute will ultimately pick a contender. Picks are players on low salary signed to multiple years, their now moving in the way that these are far more valuable to them than years past, so their not going to throw them at the wind without negotiating strongly against losing them all. Weve seen this already take shape of them negotiating and low balling from the start, because they are afraid of committing the type of mistake where a trade for a star leads to nothing "ie championship", and have 5-6 years of nothing to look forward to after the trade by losing every young asset and pick in tow.

Just look at teams that committed to the everything: Phoenix suns - Acquired Durant, Beal, with Booker already there, made a trade last summer with Portland as well, has had every free agent min contract go there hoping for championship. They have nothing to show for it, except incredible loss of assets/picks, an injury riddled Durant on his last legs that could go any day now, and Beal also injury prone with a contract you can't trade without consent.
Milwaukee: traded away Jrue which only helped strengthen Boston, and had one of the most up and down seasons ever. Lillard has had a good first game helping them win vs the Pacers, but well see where they go. They have an old team outside of Giannis if they cannot win anything in the next 2 years, their entering a rebuild with no assets other than vets they can trade to another contender.
Boston: They were already 2nd in the East in contention streghtn and they picked up Jrue Holliday/Kristap Porzingas, they are the only ones that have done well with acquisitions. However they were already a good team with good wings, and upgraded both weaknesses from previous years. However the big ticket item here is they got them for nothing, they gave up garbage and little assets to acquire, something we haven't been lucky enough to achieve.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright 

Post#1445 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:29 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Another interesting name to ponder next year when talking about dealing chit contracts for one another and players looking for change of sceneries is Zach LaVine. Clearly he wants out of Chicago and opted for a foot surgery to remove a loose fragment. Supposed to be healthy by the start of camp. After Herro just torched the Bulls in the play in you would have to think they would be ecstatic to get Herro in any sort of LaVine trade even if it means taking on more money in the deal like let's say Duncan Robinson. LaVine can then either stay here or be flipped to a third team for let's say Brandon Ingram or possibly even Donavan Mitchell. That could be one of the more interesting trade destinations for Herro/Robinson duo if we are looking to shake things up. On another side note LaVine heading to the Cavs in any Mitchell deal sends him to play in the backcourt with another Klutch client in Darius Garland.


3 team trade landing us Mitchell and Lavine to Cleveland is the way.

Pat Riley can NOT fumble this opportunity this summer, he has to get Mitchell


I see Pat lubing his hands with Crisco oil right now waiting to fumble this mayorly. If it was up to Pat Riley we would of had, Durant, Lillard or another superstar here already. The second part of the equation is logistical, Asset economy and having a GM want to accept those deals. It always has to make sense for both sides, and negotiations don't always go as expected. Not giving him a pass just saying there's a bit more here than just intent of wanting something to happen, both sides have to agree to said exchange no matter how bad we want it. Our owner has been cheap on many of occasions and going over tax brackets is the boogie man in our FO if it is not a clear winner were building they won't take chances on paying ridiculous taxes.

This organization treats their team payroll economy like a corporation does on profits, their not like other teams and owners who treat their organization for the purpose of entertainment willing to risk it all for the spectacular. Even so weve been very successfully ran, its also why they've incorporated this undrafted, training program to bypass the saturation of high salaried role players boosting their payroll trying to squeeze the most out of the remaining salary on star level players.

The changes to the repeater tax has also change their mantra on picks as well, they did not care for young players before and expected to get vets to sign if they just had the right team. These days vets are more inclined to sign on organizations that require less structure and are more relaxed. Only those whom want to go 100% winning mentality until the last minute will ultimately pick a contender. Picks are players on low salary signed to multiple years, their now moving in the way that these are far more valuable to them than years past, so their not going to throw them at the wind without negotiating strongly against losing them all. Weve seen this already take shape of them negotiating and low balling from the start, because they are afraid of committing the type of mistake where a trade for a star leads to nothing "ie championship", and have 5-6 years of nothing to look forward to after the trade by losing every young asset and pick in tow.

Just look at teams that committed to the everything: Phoenix suns - Acquired Durant, Beal, with Booker already there, made a trade last summer with Portland as well, has had every free agent min contract go there hoping for championship. They have nothing to show for it, except incredible loss of assets/picks, an injury riddled Durant on his last legs that could go any day now, and Beal also injury prone with a contract you can't trade without consent.
Milwaukee: traded away Jrue which only helped strengthen Boston, and had one of the most up and down seasons ever. Lillard has had a good first game helping them win vs the Pacers, but well see where they go. They have an old team outside of Giannis if they cannot win anything in the next 2 years, their entering a rebuild with no assets other than vets they can trade to another contender.
Boston: They were already 2nd in the East in contention streghtn and they picked up Jrue Holliday/Kristap Porzingas, they are the only ones that have done well with acquisitions. However they were already a good team with good wings, and upgraded both weaknesses from previous years. However the big ticket item here is they got them for nothing, they gave up garbage and little assets to acquire, something we haven't been lucky enough to achieve.


We have the assets to get an expiring Mitchell, especially if he speaks up. Pat just has to be up for it and not be stubborn with the offer. Mitchell is a Heat guy, get it done and have your core set in place for the next 6-8 years with the potential to bring in one of their friends as well in the near future.

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Post#1448 » by EMC5466 » Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:06 pm

Dan Le Batard is an idiot.
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Post#1449 » by AirP. » Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:24 pm

Twitter had Pat Riley trending for me, I was like oh no. Luckily nothing as bad as I thought it might be.
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Post#1450 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:28 pm

AirP. wrote:Twitter had Pat Riley trending for me, I was like oh no. Luckily nothing as bad as I thought it might be.


Did he by chance wake up?
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Post#1451 » by EMC5466 » Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:38 pm

Pat Riley has all of his cronies in the local Miami media working overtime. I love the old fart but come on sometimes admit that you made mistakes.
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Post#1452 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:43 pm

EMC5466 wrote:Pat Riley has all of his cronies in the local Miami media working overtime. I love the old fart but come on sometimes admit that you made mistakes.

Dan Le batard was definitely defending Miami's decisions to date. Kept repeating they were in the finals last year as a reason for their direction to continue. Ira has been apologetic as well. The only one not getting any FO love it seems is Barry, since he started his rant last offseason he's given up on huffing their BS, and its probably why he doesn't get inside info as much, he's been extra quiet.
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Post#1453 » by Rapaz » Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:08 pm

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I can only imagine what The Fraudfather will say to Tyler Herro this offseason.
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Post#1454 » by KingDavid » Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:10 pm

Unless y'all are prepared to get rid of Bam, we're likely not getting Mitchell. What assets do we have that outweigh the assets of other teams that are interested in him?
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Post#1455 » by SoFlaKingReal » Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:40 pm

The Heat aren’t getting Mitchell. This happens every year on this board. Stop hyping these unrealistic acquisitions only so you can bash the FO afterwards. Some people on here will never learn.

As painful as it is, the Heat will be stuck with this mediocre core led by Bam/Herro until they get lucky in the draft and find a true offensive star.

Thats why trading a first for Rozier was a boneheaded move. The Heat need as many lottery tickets as possible moving forward. Their only way out of this mess is by hitting on a star in the draft, not trading away picks for older role players.
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Post#1456 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:43 pm

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I can only imagine what The Fraudfather will say to Tyler Herro this offseason.


It’s a crime that that man didn’t retire in a Heat jersey.
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Post#1458 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:05 pm

KingDavid wrote:Unless y'all are prepared to get rid of Bam, we're likely not getting Mitchell. What assets do we have that outweigh the assets of other teams that are interested in him?


We are going to have to trade Bam at some point, but it won’t be for Mitchell. We are very steeply heading into a full rebuild. We can delay it until Jimmy is done, but it’s coming. Bam will be the only asset that possibly could get a meaningful return.

We have been trying to retool to account for 2 different timelines for a few years now. It’ll catch up to us eventually.
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Post#1459 » by DayofMourning » Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:27 pm

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KingDavid wrote:Unless y'all are prepared to get rid of Bam, we're likely not getting Mitchell. What assets do we have that outweigh the assets of other teams that are interested in him?


We are going to have to trade Bam at some point, but it won’t be for Mitchell. We are very steeply heading into a full rebuild. We can delay it until Jimmy is done, but it’s coming. Bam will be the only asset that possibly could get a meaningful return.

We have been trying to retool to account for 2 different timelines for a few years now. It’ll catch up to us eventually.


I was thinking about this just recently. The truest way to get ourselves out of the middling mess we are about to enter into is to move Bam. Hed fetch a big return. Imagine him going to OKC? Theyd give up a lot as he fits very well with their squad.

I love Bam but unless SGA says I hate OKC and want to go to Miami in offseason 2026, youre really just spinning your wheels.
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Post#1460 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:28 pm

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KingDavid wrote:Unless y'all are prepared to get rid of Bam, we're likely not getting Mitchell. What assets do we have that outweigh the assets of other teams that are interested in him?


We are going to have to trade Bam at some point, but it won’t be for Mitchell. We are very steeply heading into a full rebuild. We can delay it until Jimmy is done, but it’s coming. Bam will be the only asset that possibly could get a meaningful return.

We have been trying to retool to account for 2 different timelines for a few years now. It’ll catch up to us eventually.

Doubtful, I think the FO considers BAM a heat lifer type Player in the breath of Alonzo Mourning. He's what you call a team Pillar investment, his Jersey will be retired up in the rafters one day.

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