Heat vs Hawks. Battle of the playins! Yay! 730 PM EST

[al bondiga]

jb Was a THE superstar for us during a few playoffs Let's not Forget.. Will he do it again?... Doubt it...He is playing tired this season

Will he be intelligent enough to pass the ball When it counts... Games like this make me doubt...but I trust him

Come on jb you can do it!

[Wiltside]

Would love to see Jaime throw it back and give us a November/December Jaime game. I think he ain’t built for 82 games yet. He looks lost out there

[DayofMourning]

Would love to see Jaime throw it back and give us a November/December Jaime game. I think he ain’t built for 82 games yet. He looks lost out there

Hes been phased out. Maybe next year.

[eddieheatfan]

watching a heat game is like getting introduced in to a BDSM club or something. sometimes they play well sometimes they play mediocre basketball and that's a trend that is going on from these past few years

[Bishop45]

Would love to see Jaime throw it back and give us a November/December Jaime game. I think he ain’t built for 82 games yet. He looks lost out there

Based on the beginning of the year, I'm still hyped for sophomore and Junior Jaime
(if they don't trade the poor boy)

If he puts in the work, he should be the goods!

[Mickey8]

One of the very best things to happen this year is the development of Niko Jovic

Dude is 20yrs old. He's younger than a lot of guys who are going to get drafted this year.

You can see the upside. Going to be a nice pairing with Bam.

He wont be unlocked entirely until he's let to handle the ball more than he's doing now. He's a really good passer, I have been watching him since he was 15 years old, he can create a lot for his teammates. He shouldn't be just a three point specialist, but I guess his time will come eventually.

[Wiltside]

One of the very best things to happen this year is the development of Niko Jovic

Dude is 20yrs old. He's younger than a lot of guys who are going to get drafted this year.

You can see the upside. Going to be a nice pairing with Bam.

He wont be unlocked entirely until he's let to handle the ball more than he's doing now. He's a really good passer, I have been watching him since he was 15 years old, he can create a lot for his teammates. He shouldn't be just a three point specialist, but I guess his time will come eventually.

Definitely think that's coming for him. He's a terrific passer and good ball handler for a guy his size, the next step in his evolution will be more PnR reps. We've seen him now start to attack stronger when he is the initiator, and he's starting to get comfortable in the paint and drawing contact.

Would also help alleviate some of the pressure that Herro faces as an on ball threat and decision maker if we have someone like Niko as a set-up man. We'll see how he progresses, but I'm very excited about the possibilities.

If Jaime can continue to develop, the post Jimmy era of Adebayo/Herro/Niko/Jaime has potential.

[SerialChiller]

OP in the clutch!

[dubasilva]

I apologize to Herro as well, dude gets so much attention its unreal. Dont see how’d we give up on him so quickly

I'm still not sold on this guy. Let's see him in the playoffs.

[Pokuokic]

Jovic might be the best closer Miami has (other than playoff Jimmy) high IQ/calm/can stroke, like I said last game was a normal Jovic game if you let him cook. Been telling you boys all year imagine where the Heat would be if the organisation didn't cuck out to Lowry and benched Jovic earlier this year cause Lowry was getting cooked on D and blamed Bulk. imagine thinking this guy should be in the G League playing Centre absolutely disgusting stuff.

Locked up Murray and Haliburton as well on D with the Hawks didn't even try target him with any of their wings.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I apologize to Herro as well, dude gets so much attention its unreal. Dont see how’d we give up on him so quickly

I'm still not sold on this guy. Let's see him in the playoffs.

This forum makes judgements in absolutes based on a game by game basis. If Herro is bad next game it’s pitch forks, if Jimmy is playoff Jimmy tonight “HES BYKE!!!”

Luckily that’s why we have years and years worth of data so some can make actual judgement backed with history instead of knee jerk reactions.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jovic might be the best closer Miami has (other than playoff Jimmy) high IQ/calm/can stroke, like I said last game was a normal Jovic game if you let him cook. Been telling you boys all year imagine where the Heat would be if the organisation didn't cuck out to Lowry and benched Jovic earlier this year cause Lowry was getting cooked on D and blamed Bulk. imagine thinking this guy should be in the G League playing Centre absolutely disgusting stuff.

Locked up Murray and Haliburton as well on D with the Hawks didn't even try target him with any of their wings.

This is a hot take to say the least lol

[Pokuokic]

Would love to see Jaime throw it back and give us a November/December Jaime game. I think he ain’t built for 82 games yet. He looks lost out there

Could just be teams figured him out same thing happened to another senior in Chris Duarte when he was in Indiana, I'm still hoping that he came back to early from injury and that's why he's cooked because this is one of the biggest fall offs in form I have seen.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Would love to see Jaime throw it back and give us a November/December Jaime game. I think he ain’t built for 82 games yet. He looks lost out there

Could just be teams figured him out same thing happened to another senior in Chris Duarte when he was in Indiana, I'm still hoping that he came back to early from injury and that's why he's cooked because this is one of the biggest fall offs in form I have seen.

I think he’s been back long enough now to eliminate injury from the equation but maybe I’m wrong. He needs to drastically improve his shooting, that may help

[IceColdCubano]

Ok guys lots of hot takes from one game, I thought as fans we would learn. Just take what happens in any game through the regular season of this build with a grain of salt. Spo plays around too much with rotations, and forces the team to be uncomfortable, then somehow plays better schemes in the playoffs, perhaps it prevents teams from scouting us correctly. Also the offense completely changes, Jimmy's time with the ball will increase which forces us to play totally different, our kick out three point shooting somehow increases, and our focus becomes mostly on the defensive side forcing turnovers and execution. Spo lets a lot of dumb ish go during the season for growth, but in the playoffs, there are changes made game to game that they execute on. The rotations shrink which means guys get to focus on their roles a bit better, and it lets the best of themselves come out.

This build is not the best but its been somehow magically successful with whatever voodoo Miami does when the playoffs start. We just need to keep watching to see what incantations and spells are thrown on the court here in the next 2 weeks.

Either they can continue to be successful with this petty style of a build or were about to get slapped into reality which I believe the FO needs to make a decision on our future.

[twix2500]

I didnt watch the second half of the game. And now just notice it took 2 OT to beat the Hawks. You have to expect a miracle in the playoffs.

[dolphinatik]

Delon had some nice sequences on both ends. Jaime works best when everyone is moving. Jimmy Ball takes him out of the game as mostly everyone coats out and stands around. As one poster said in the playoffs we will show more movement and run all our best stuff.

[AirP.]

So, this is interesting for the last shot of the 4th that Butler handed off the grenade to Herro. Butler calls for the screen at 10 seconds, Bogdanovic does an excellent job on defense not allowing Martin to go set the pick quickly and in fact hooks Martin to make him take more time so it takes Martin 4 seconds to set the screen leaving 6 seconds left and he just leaves Martin and takes away Butler's angle to not let him attack the basket. A few issues with the play itself.

1. Butler doesn't even look to dump the ball to Martin, maybe he's too worried seeing Capela playing center field and having the ability to pick off the pass but he didn't seem to even consider it. With how nobody else moved, it looks like the only option that was drawn up was taken away.
2. There 3 Heat players eating up the left side of the court where the play is designed to go to the left? At the very least one of them could have been in the left-hand corner to create more space if nobody was going to move.
3. Why isn't there a secondary action in this play? Why doesn't ONE of the 3 guys on the right side set a pick to one of the other 2 creating space to allow a 2nd action to happen? I get trying to space the court but a pick could have opened up one of the shooters for a 3 (since they were already in that area) or allow a back cut to pass the ball and hopefully a 2nd pass to Martin going towards the rim for a possible easy 2.
4. Why not use Bam to set the pick? At the very least Butler or whoever handles the ball will have a chance to turn the corner or if Capela switches, whoever has the ball should be able to get off midrange shot or lob it up for Bam to out jump his defender and get a shot off close.

It's just a super simplistic play that was very easy to defend. I decided not to pay for League Pass so I've not been able to go back and look at many of the bad plays to see if it's a player, the play or a combination of the 2.

Too many times it seems this year like very few players are really doing much in the plays, maybe Spoelstra has simplified the calls with the younger players getting more time or they just don't practice enough to go through the plays enough with players that will actually be playing together. <- This right here might be why Miami looks so much better in the playoffs, because they actually practice and prepare for their opponents where as they don't look like they do that in the regular season, especially with no real idea who will be in the rotation or where at in the rotation.

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[insfo]

If Bogdanovic had flopped, Martin could have easily been called for an offensive foul. Weird play all around, but it felt like Jimmy was freezing out Herro on multiple occasions through the latter part of the game. Not sure if others noticed, but he would simply refuse to make the easy pass to Herro, and atleast on one of those occasions, Herro looked visibly frustrated on the defensive end. I know they don't have the greatest chemistry, but they should still be able to play with each other. Yesterday it looked like they couldn't!

[AirP.]

If Bogdanovic had flopped, Martin could have easily been called for an offensive foul. Weird play all around, but it felt like Jimmy was freezing out Herro on multiple occasions through the latter part of the game. Not sure if others noticed, but he would simply refuse to make the easy pass to Herro, and atleast on one of those occasions, Herro looked visibly frustrated on the defensive end. I know they don't have the greatest chemistry, but they should still be able to play with each other. Yesterday it looked like they couldn't!

This is the issue with Herro's role, he's going to be utilized as a spacer but he wants the ball which changes the dynamic of the players on the court. Just looking at the dynamics...

Butler with the ball, Bam (non spacer), Herro (spacer) and 2 other players who may or may not be able to create space.
Herro with the ball, Bam (non spacer), Butler (non spacer) and 2 other playrs who may or may not be able to create space.

So basically, having the ball in the hands of Herro vs Butler basically means 1 less spacing teammate to help create space off the ball, it really may be that simple for Spoelstra to call who usually handles the ball at the end of quarters if both are on the court. This is the limitation you have to deal with when your top 2 players aren't really 3pt shooters.

Butler and Bam can both shoot the 3, but really need space and time to get the shot up, Herro, Robinson and maybe Jovic don't and with that, are better candidates to help space off the ball.