Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Bucks deny Pistons to talk to Horst

[RogerMurdock]

People talk about Giannis being a DPOY...but he doesn't actually anchor elite defenses unless he has a DPOY caliber Lopez playing center next to him. He doesn't sniff top 10 defenses without a top 2 ball screen navigating PG (Jrue or Bledsoe). We also needed plus defense from Tucker and Middleton alongside those guys to barely win a title. Without all of that, and a great coach scheming it all together, we just suck defensively. So on defense alone, the roster construction is nearly impossible to do...especially since Giannis is never going to play center in any universe (despite posters here acting like that's the magic bullet for the last 8 seasons).

BREAKING: You need a complete team and good coaching to have a top defense.

[Matches Malone]

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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Yes, when I think of Pat Bev, I think of the ultimate needle mover. Have fun in Detriot.

[theFireBlanket]

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Yes, when I think of Pat Bev, I think of the ultimate needle mover. Have fun in Detriot.

Next pod they did, watching the playoffs, Bev casually said "we'll be back in Milwaukee".

There was also a comment about taking BP to Target Center for game 3.

[jakecronus8]

Bummed that Atlanta is doing the right thing and shopping Young instead of Murray. Was still holding onto the dream of somehow pairing him next to Dame.

[ReasonablySober]

Trade Horst for a draft pick.

Ah, so much for that. Shams:

The Pistons were denied permission to interview Milwaukee’s Jon Horst last week, league and team sources tell The Athletic. It is possible that the Bucks were posturing to get assets from Detroit in order to take Horst, who signed a multi-year deal with Milwaukee in 2021. However, the Pistons have decided to move on to other candidates.

New Orleans’ Trajan Langdon, Dallas’ Dennis Lindsey and Chicago’s Marc Eversley, among others, have established themselves as viable targets for the role, league sources tell The Athletic.

[Matches Malone]

The Pistons were denied permission to interview Milwaukee’s Jon Horst last week, league and team sources tell The Athletic. It is possible that the Bucks were posturing to get assets from Detroit in order to take Horst, who signed a multi-year deal with Milwaukee in 2021. However, the Pistons have decided to move on to other candidates.

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I'll be annoyed if Detroit lands Connelly.

[drew881]

If teams aren't letting the barrel move work, and Giannis is putting up numbers like 35 points a game in the finals and 34 points a game against Boston it seems like he's found a way to do different plays and strategies.

Caught lightning in a bottle for 1 magical run... but that's 4 yrs ago

Boston.. yeah they played better team ball and we lost.. ppg doesn't matter if you lose

There’s no asterisk or anything, but in retrospect our championship run was pretty charmed.

Suns were a super young, first year being good team with minimal playoff experience outside of Chris Paul continuously choking. Devin freaking Booker was their best player.They immediately hit the skids similar to us post-finals. They’re on their second blowup since. They were like a D+ level finals team.

Hawks, basically the exact same as above but multiplied by a factor of 100x. Trae Young was their best player. F level conference finals team.

Nets, were a volatile group of personalities with a lousy coach that had 2 of their best 3 players hobbled or out basically the whole series. Also needed an immediate blowup after that series. Coach gone. Players gone. Kevin Durant was their best player and was INCREDIBLE. But, their second best player that series was who? Blake Griffin? Bruce Brown? Jeff Green? C+ level second round team given the injuries. Only that because Durant was so good. We should have blown them away once Kyrie was hurt and Harden could barely move. We eked out the series victory by the slimmest margin possible.

Miami is such a weird team. Consistency in personnel, but their results have been up and down year-to-year. This was a down year. Butler was their best player but was completely AWFUL. Probably a B+ level first round matchup who we made look silly. There’s a possibility that they were the toughest matchup we faced.

Yup, but we are bagging on the Pacers because OG is out.

[JayMKE]

Im sure Horst has big plans

barf

[SupremeHustle]

With confirmation that Houston is looking for "win now" help and their issue being offense especially in the half court - I'll float a similar trade to last time.

Houston gets: Middleton (toss in Beauchamp if they'd like)
Milwaukee gets: Tari Eason, Dillon Brooks and #3

Then..

Milwaukee gets: Mikal Bridges, Finney-smith
Brooklyn gets: #3, #23, Bobby Portis and Brook Lopez.

Lillard, Pat B
Bridges, Green/AJJ
Dillon Brooks, AJJ/Pat C
DFS, Eason
Giannis, FA

The bench is a little shaky but that starting five is interesting.

[paulpressey25]

Horst staying isn't the worst thing. Remember, we downgraded from Bud.

The guy is a highly competent GM as it relates to trades. The real question is where the organization as a whole stands on being aggressive or say only trading Marjon and the pick, and running most of it back.

[msiris]

With confirmation that Houston is looking for "win now" help and their issue being offense especially in the half court - I'll float a similar trade to last time.

Houston gets: Middleton (toss in Beauchamp if they'd like)
Milwaukee gets: Tari Eason, Dillon Brooks and #3

Then..

Milwaukee gets: Mikal Bridges, Finney-smith
Brooklyn gets: #3, #23, Bobby Portis and Brook Lopez.

Lillard, Pat B
Bridges, Green/AJJ
Dillon Brooks, AJJ/Pat C
DFS, Eason
Giannis, FA

The bench is a little shaky but that starting five is interesting.

Giannis is not a center but I like the trade.

[emunney]

Caught lightning in a bottle for 1 magical run... but that's 4 yrs ago

Boston.. yeah they played better team ball and we lost.. ppg doesn't matter if you lose

There’s no asterisk or anything, but in retrospect our championship run was pretty charmed.

Suns were a super young, first year being good team with minimal playoff experience outside of Chris Paul continuously choking. Devin freaking Booker was their best player.They immediately hit the skids similar to us post-finals. They’re on their second blowup since. They were like a D+ level finals team.

Hawks, basically the exact same as above but multiplied by a factor of 100x. Trae Young was their best player. F level conference finals team.

Nets, were a volatile group of personalities with a lousy coach that had 2 of their best 3 players hobbled or out basically the whole series. Also needed an immediate blowup after that series. Coach gone. Players gone. Kevin Durant was their best player and was INCREDIBLE. But, their second best player that series was who? Blake Griffin? Bruce Brown? Jeff Green? C+ level second round team given the injuries. Only that because Durant was so good. We should have blown them away once Kyrie was hurt and Harden could barely move. We eked out the series victory by the slimmest margin possible.

Miami is such a weird team. Consistency in personnel, but their results have been up and down year-to-year. This was a down year. Butler was their best player but was completely AWFUL. Probably a B+ level first round matchup who we made look silly. There’s a possibility that they were the toughest matchup we faced.

Yup, but we are bagging on the Pacers because OG is out.

Ultimately you can only beat the teams you play against, and we don't know what the outcomes would have been given different circumstances. Other than informing the decision-making of the teams involved, I don't think any of this sort of litigation really serves anything. That said, fair to point out that the Bucks may have benefited from injuries to other teams. Although I'd certainly argue the Bucks and Knicks are/were missing better players than the Nets did.

You can't take anything away from the Pacers because they won the games.

[DingleJerry]

Also, Knicks are missing 3 starters, not just OG.

Still, I don't bash Indy for it. In recent years NBA playoffs seem to be a war of attrition in terms of health. Seems to be the new normal so trying to bash teams who win when others get hurt seems futile.

[jakecronus8]

With confirmation that Houston is looking for "win now" help and their issue being offense especially in the half court - I'll float a similar trade to last time.

Houston gets: Middleton (toss in Beauchamp if they'd like)
Milwaukee gets: Tari Eason, Dillon Brooks and #3

Then..

Milwaukee gets: Mikal Bridges, Finney-smith
Brooklyn gets: #3, #23, Bobby Portis and Brook Lopez.

Lillard, Pat B
Bridges, Green/AJJ
Dillon Brooks, AJJ/Pat C
DFS, Eason
Giannis, FA

The bench is a little shaky but that starting five is interesting.

Giannis is not a center but I like the trade.

If Bridges can be had for a package involving that pick, why wouldn't Houston just trade it for Bridges?

[German Athens]

I’m definitely curious what bridges value is. The nets were rumored to turn down 3 1sts for him, but I’m guessing those weren’t high end firsts, and that was before he blew up post KD trade and subsequently settled back down.

The problem is, many including myself, overreacted to what Mikal was doing late last season where he looked like a top 20 player and perennial all-star. He’s likely settled in to being a top-40 player who could maybe make an all-star team if he was in the right situation. A really nice 3rd option, but probably not a #2.

Khris is the better scorer and playmaker, but bridges has insane durability and is a much better defender while still being a good shooter and solid decision maker.

He’s also not nearly as young as I think he gets treated. He’ll be 28 in august. His price should probably be something similar to what we gave up for Jrue, maybe a little more, because he has another year on his contract.

[fansinceforever]

The bench is a little shaky but that starting five is interesting.

Giannis is not a center but I like the trade.

If Bridges can be had for a package involving that pick, why wouldn't Houston just trade it for Bridges?

Hopefully Houston is less concerned about Middleton's injuries as a large contingent of this message board is. In that event, Middleton is a better scorer than Mikal by quite a bit. Again, if he's right.

Houston's main issue is that they have a bottom 5 offense.

[RRyder823]

There’s no asterisk or anything, but in retrospect our championship run was pretty charmed.

Suns were a super young, first year being good team with minimal playoff experience outside of Chris Paul continuously choking. Devin freaking Booker was their best player.They immediately hit the skids similar to us post-finals. They’re on their second blowup since. They were like a D+ level finals team.

Hawks, basically the exact same as above but multiplied by a factor of 100x. Trae Young was their best player. F level conference finals team.

Nets, were a volatile group of personalities with a lousy coach that had 2 of their best 3 players hobbled or out basically the whole series. Also needed an immediate blowup after that series. Coach gone. Players gone. Kevin Durant was their best player and was INCREDIBLE. But, their second best player that series was who? Blake Griffin? Bruce Brown? Jeff Green? C+ level second round team given the injuries. Only that because Durant was so good. We should have blown them away once Kyrie was hurt and Harden could barely move. We eked out the series victory by the slimmest margin possible.

Miami is such a weird team. Consistency in personnel, but their results have been up and down year-to-year. This was a down year. Butler was their best player but was completely AWFUL. Probably a B+ level first round matchup who we made look silly. There’s a possibility that they were the toughest matchup we faced.

Yup, but we are bagging on the Pacers because OG is out.

Ultimately you can only beat the teams you play against, and we don't know what the outcomes would have been given different circumstances. Other than informing the decision-making of the teams involved, I don't think any of this sort of litigation really serves anything. That said, fair to point out that the Bucks may have benefited from injuries to other teams. Although I'd certainly argue the Bucks and Knicks are/were missing better players than the Nets did.

You can't take anything away from the Pacers because they won the games.

I've never once heard anyone try and bash or discredit a Superbowl winner because they were healthier than a team/teams they faced (which is pretty much always a big factor in how far a team gets in the NFL)

NBA the last few years has become a bit of a war of attrition in a similar vein (although not as extreme obviously) and see no issue with that. It opens up a level of parity that simply never existed before the last few years when you could pretty much pencil in 3 out of 4 of the conference finalists, without fail, by mid-season every year

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[Ruben Quevedo]

Yeah if Bridges is available he is absolutely the one to target. Great player who isn't suited to the alpha role but would fit like a glove here.

I do not think he is available though.

[emunney]

Yup, but we are bagging on the Pacers because OG is out.

Ultimately you can only beat the teams you play against, and we don't know what the outcomes would have been given different circumstances. Other than informing the decision-making of the teams involved, I don't think any of this sort of litigation really serves anything. That said, fair to point out that the Bucks may have benefited from injuries to other teams. Although I'd certainly argue the Bucks and Knicks are/were missing better players than the Nets did.

You can't take anything away from the Pacers because they won the games.

I've never once heard anyone try and bash or discredit a Superbowl winner because they were healthier than a team/teams they faced (which is pretty much always a big factor in how far a team gets in the NFL)

NBA the last few years has become a bit of a war of attrition in a similar vein (although not as extreme obviously) and see no issue with that. It opens up a level of parity that simply never existed before the last few years when you could pretty much pencil in 3 out of 4 of the conference finalists, without fail, by mid-season every year

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The comparison to the NFL is dead on. There's just so much more mobility in the NBA than ever before. Neither the public nor the media has caught up to it. No team is so bad that a great offseason couldn't put them in the top 5 in their conference. No team is so good that an untimely injury couldn't sink their season.